Finished Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - The Order of the Phoenix is the Winner!

[Vom]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

I haven't, and I didn't figure ;_;

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

Xenophilius Lovegood didn't work for the Daily Prophet, he worked for The Quibbler, a different newspaper entirely.

How many times has your passive ability activated and what are your results of Aura Scan so far?

While Luna did follow her father's footsteps in The Quibbler, there was a time when she did work for the Daily Prophet.

No there wasn't.

 

[Brave Vesperia]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

While Luna did follow her father's footsteps in The Quibbler, there was a time when she did work for the Daily Prophet.

No there wasn't.

Maybe I am misremembering things. I have not finished the series and it has been a very long time since I've watched any of the movies or read the books.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

No there wasn't.

Maybe I am misremembering things. I have not finished the series and it has been a very long time since I've watched any of the movies or read the books.

OK, well just a friendly note, Harry Potter Wiki is your friend in this game

But your answers honestly sounded genuine, so I'm satisfied for now.

##UNVOTE: Brave Vesperia
##VOTE: TheGuy

I'm not done with you. I made a case on you for a reason >:L

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

##VOTE: Brave Vesperia

Wrong information in his claim and the fact that getting rid of the town's ability to unvote is the hallmark of scum.

Squirtle Squad is still on my radar, but I'm not gonna let this go.

Also anyone getting blocked last night could have been either because the user was hooked or because of scum shield. Trying to discern which happened is wifom because no actual roleblockers have died yet and unless the roleblocker is an idiot he will keep his mouth shut and not claim.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

##VOTE: Brave Vesperia

Wrong information in his claim and the fact that getting rid of the town's ability to unvote is the hallmark of scum.

Squirtle Squad is still on my radar, but I'm not gonna let this go.

Also anyone getting blocked last night could have been either because the user was hooked or because of scum shield. Trying to discern which happened is wifom because no actual roleblockers have died yet and unless the roleblocker is an idiot he will keep his mouth shut and not claim.

o.0

Did you even bother to read the rest of Brave's role? Show me this 'wrong information' and please give some other reason besides 'his spell is scummy'. Town can have scummy spells; heck mine can be interpreted as scummy.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

And Drohn, please post something. Give your thoughts, or something helpful.

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

Nice catch, Vom! And that on Brave as well.

I'm not sure how much longer I'll live so I'm going to say this now. I want to go for Brave or Grantm1999 now and the one we don't lynch now, we can tomorrow. Any reason why one would be the better lynch today? I can switch if needed.

##vote: Grantm1999

I'm voting the opposite of PMJ for now due to my Camoclone logic. If you're still alive I think there's a decent chance of you being scum, like Camoclone was. (I know it's not perfect logic, and I'm not saying we should lynch you (yet) or anything, just pointing it out.)

 

[Drohn]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

@bbninjas: I was typing, you bad bad ninjas.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

Nice catch, Vom! And that on Brave as well.

I'm not sure how much longer I'll live so I'm going to say this now. I want to go for Brave or Grantm1999 now and the one we don't lynch now, we can tomorrow. Any reason why one would be the better lynch today? I can switch if needed.

##vote: Grantm1999

I'm voting the opposite of PMJ for now due to my Camoclone logic. If you're still alive I think there's a decent chance of you being scum, like Camoclone was. (I know it's not perfect logic, and I'm not saying we should lynch you (yet) or anything, just pointing it out.)

If you're talking about PMJ being scum due to Camoclone logic than IDTS. PMJ has been a lynch target previously, and was left alive until much later in the game during WW XXIII.

@bbninjas: I was typing, you bad bad ninjas.

>:]

 

[TheGuy]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

Before I begin to address Celever's argument I'd like to preface with what may be called unfamiliar play. If anyone has followed my post count and activity levels on PB, it's at an all-time low - WW is the only reason I log on at all and some days I forget to log on at all. In fact, I usually post every time I log in and have time to read the whole thread. And then this last day I didn't post at the end because I was at a Speech and Debate tournament all day for three days straight. I will now proceed to make a few comments in bold.

Ladies and gents, today we are accusing TheGuy under the charges of murder and wolfiness!

Note that this is going through all slightly meaningful posts that he has made.

Teal is a huge suspect IMO. His wording about what he knew about quick topics seemed like more than simple speculation and thus is could be logically concluded that he is part of a QT which is generally Anti-Town. Certainly there's a higher percentage that he's Anti-Town than a random person which is enough reason to lynch on Day 1.

This was Day 1, and sorta coming out of RVS. Now, TheGuy has done a classically scummy thing here, which is fuelling the wagon without actually placing a vote on there himself. This is especially scummy on Day 1, where votes are p much dispensable. When I was reading through Day 1 to try and find a lead early on, this is what got my alarm bells ringing, so I decided to look into TheGuy further, and I found quite a bit here which would be otherwise easily lost, as he hasn't made a large amount of posts.

I'm all for voicing my opinion on an issue, you'll find that most all of my posts comment on the most important issue currently being discussed - whether it's for or against a lynch

OMGUS. This has pushed me over the edge.

##UNVOTE: PMJ
##VOTE: Teal

He did later vote for Teal, but for OMGUS? D1 OMGUS doesn't really count. This was still p much RVS, remember.

The first quote you used was "sorta comin out of RVS" as you said and now this one a day later is "p much RVS", you can't say that something that starts the game is happening after it ends, that doesn't make any sense. I also believe its fairly reasonable to vote for someone for OMGUS when the initial accusation was somewhat reasonable, which it was.

Since my last post I've been getting a serious vibe from Drac's posts that he knew something more than we did - this revelation has come at no surprise.

##UNVOTE: Teal
##VOTE: GM Draclord

Oh yup, yup guys! I knew it all along!

Note: When TheGuy finally decided to lynch Drac, he already had 8 votes on him. Just saying "OK guys, this lynch seems good, I'll go with it" is fine, but saying "I knew it all along but decided not to say anything!" is not. I'm not sure whether I think TheGuy is indie or wolf as of yet (though I'm confident that he's not town), but this is the main thing that's telling me he's indie.

I read a lot of posts at once, Drac looked suspicious, was revealed as an Indie, and got eight votes all in the difference of the last time I'd logged in.

I'm going to come to the defense of Keeper. People shouldn't be posting just for the sake of reaching some kind of posting minimum. Posting 92 times in one day without any substance to give in 50 of them isn't great for the town. As long as people are consistently posting when they have something important to say, then they're posting enough. It's just as scummy to not post at all as it is to post unnecessarily many many times in my opinion. Keeper will be doing what I'm usually doing (expect for today because of this ridiculous 10 post minimum), reading and keeping up with the thread but not feeling the need to post about every single subject (many times multiple times) reiterating the same points that have already been brought up by that person already and others.

He's actually defending himself here, not Keeper. Note that he says that what Keeper is doing is a good strategy, and it's "doing what I'm usually doing", which in turn means that TheGuy is performing a good strategy. Subtle

Sure, I'm defending myself too but I'd do the same thing if I had the time to be active and post a lot of times during the day. It's what I honestly believe, Keeper was just randomly the person accused at the time.

xDoggerx... your response?

Seems like a slip to me. ##VOTE: Machamp the Champion

This is pressure, right? Well, no. If you guys can remember the Dogger incident well, you will know that Dogger "slipped", but the original case-maker, Teal, decided to put pressure on the other person "involved" in said slip, MtC. TheGuy was second to bandwagon on this, but he voted for MtC instead of Dogger. This is because he could see some kind of bandwagon forming from the case (it was a good case) and wanted to back the winning horse.

While it is true that soon afterwards, a couple more people joined the lynch (bbninjas, KoN, OAP) these people provided further insight in their posts, and it wasn't just a wagon. TheGuy's was no more than what I quoted, and that rubs me up the wrong way.

Never heard of simply placing a bit more pressure?

I have never read or watched Harry Potter so if someone claims a character I actually know (Harry, Ron, Hermione, Dumbeldore) then it's probably in the game because I don't think I know any others.

The only thing saving Dogger right now is his claim because his logic hasn't been sound about anything. I'd certainly advise against voting for Keeper at all unless Dogger can provide some good reasons for why we should. I'm still worried about dogger though. He could have easily claimed Hermione, anticipating Hermione to be an important role and if he's going to be lynched anyways - he may as well reveal to his fellow scum members the identity of an important character. And from what I've seen there's no way dogger's played 100+ WW games.

##UNVOTE: Machamp the Champion

Just wanted to point out that he protected KoN hard here. He also echoed what others had said at the time, which is exactly what he said he DOESN'T like doing in the earlier quote in which he also protected KoN. I know it's a small thing, but it's worth noting.

The problem with an MTC lynch is that the evidence against MTC was tied to Dogger - I don't really think he was scummy before dogger's supposed slip. At this point I would definitely lean towards a Lenny or Dogger lynch. Lenny had been acting very strange when accused and dogger is by no means cleared in my book.

What? "Don't lynch MTC he is tied to Dogger and Dogger is good but we should lynch Dogger because Dogger is in no way cleared!" What was he even getting at here? Spreading confusion?

Dogger accusing random people (in this case Keeper) without revealing his evidence isn't scummy and worthy of a lynch? But I'm not allowed to be less suspicious of MTC even though I had no reason to believe he was scum other than the connection with dogger?

Why not? I think that Lenny over reacted to a silly argument against him. I'm suspicious of grant for putting forth a silly argument that didn't have any evidence to back it up but I'm suspicious of Lenny because of his reaction to it. It's pretty simple.

"I'm not connected to anyone so if I die you have nothing to go off of in terms of wolf partners!" This was a two-sided argument, and saying that both sides of scum is for the most part flawed. It can be genius in certain situations, but this wasn't one of them, so it was once again TheGuy pretending to be contributing.

Camoclone likes to push his opinion and attack others that disagree with him and I was combating because it contradicted my opinion. You attack me for echoing and then attack me for going against the majority opinion - that's a bit contradictory.?

I'm thinking Celever didn't even realize he was role fishing - He may have asked a dumb question that helped the scum team but that doesn't make him scum. It seems as though quite a few players seem to be playing differently this game which doesn't necessarily help us (Camoclone, Lenny, Celever).

Echoing others. Echoing who?

So, someone or something has already voted for Teal.

Pointing out the obvious. I barely noticed it and normally wouldn't have, I thought it was important information to tell.

The early role reveal works both ways. Part of me thinks he can't be scum because he had his role out so quickly. (I can easily see a new player easily claim like that). However, part of me thinks he's more suspicious because that claim was definitely unwarranted and he may have just wanted to post his newly written fake claim.

Echoing

That's really poor play, rev. Well, we get our second easy lynch of the game - I'll take those any day.

##UNVOTE: Squirtle Squad
##VOTE: rev3rsor

It definitely feels like he sorta talking TO rev here, don't you think? Obviously if TheGuy were an indie, he would just use the QT, or so you'd think, but IDK. It still seems sorta wolfy. It was poor play, you can't disagree with that.

This post is reason enough for me to vote for you. This Lenny thing is over.

##VOTE: grant1999

I'm confused about this. "This Lenny thing is over." When? I don't remember Lenny being cleaned? I don't like how condescending and damning he was when he said that, especially because he was umming and ahhing just one day before this (we're at the start of Day 4 now).

grant was tunnelling something that was long past its expiration date

I think a lot of this evidence is contradictory. I'm attacked for pushing too much for lynches, and then defending someone too much, and then bringing up an unpopular opinion and echoing what other people have said to express my support. I seems to me I'm guilty of playing the game more than anything.

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

##VOTE: Brave Vesperia

Wrong information in his claim and the fact that getting rid of the town's ability to unvote is the hallmark of scum.

Squirtle Squad is still on my radar, but I'm not gonna let this go.

Also anyone getting blocked last night could have been either because the user was hooked or because of scum shield. Trying to discern which happened is wifom because no actual roleblockers have died yet and unless the roleblocker is an idiot he will keep his mouth shut and not claim.

o.0

Did you even bother to read the rest of Brave's role? Show me this 'wrong information' and please give some other reason besides 'his spell is scummy'. Town can have scummy spells; heck mine can be interpreted as scummy.

Yes, I read it. It's all hogwash. The flavor that suggests Luna can sense or read auras and things like that is completely wrong and not at all in line with her character. One of her hobbies was not to read people's auras. As Celever said, her dad never worked for The Daily Prophet. He was editor of The Quibbler magazine. Luna likewise never had anything to do with the Daily Prophet. And his spell is scummy.

It looks like a decently crafted fake, but there are too many inconsistencies for my liking. String him up, please.

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

Oh, is that it? Hmm...

I'd say that "blocked" implies a hooker. But then again, Vom targeted grant, and his spell was also "blocked". Maybe there's a wolf and a town hooker? Or a wolf and indie hooker? Or, to complete the triad, a town and indie hooker? It seems like there's probably two, so I'm not sure....

Has anyone been hooked in this game before? It'd be useful to know what the flavour is...

I do believe a much simpler answer would be you are scum.
Whether that is true or not is up to interpretation, but trying to make up extremely unlikely scenarios doesn't make me feel any better.

o.0

Did you even bother to read the rest of Brave's role? Show me this 'wrong information' and please give some other reason besides 'his spell is scummy'. Town can have scummy spells; heck mine can be interpreted as scummy.

Yes, I read it. It's all hogwash. The flavor that suggests Luna can sense or read auras and things like that is completely wrong and not at all in line with her character. One of her hobbies was not to read people's auras. As Celever said, her dad never worked for The Daily Prophet. He was editor of The Quibbler magazine. Luna likewise never had anything to do with the Daily Prophet. And his spell is scummy.

It looks like a decently crafted fake, but there are too many inconsistencies for my liking. String him up, please.

While I know that the Lovegood family never was associated with the Daily Prophet, and wish to look into that further, I much rather take the almost-confirmed scum out of the game before we go chasing after others. I also agree that she never had anything to do with auras at all (the only character that comes to mind for that would be Professor Trelawney), but she was always shown to be a highly perceptive girl.
##VOTE: grantm1999

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

So are we going to suggest, then, that Harry Potter is scum? Because Vom said that Harry Potter was targeted with a spell and it was blocked, so...

 

[Keeper of Night]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

So are we going to suggest, then, that Harry Potter is scum? Because Vom said that Harry Potter was targeted with a spell and it was blocked, so...

Are you implying that grant's behavior, coupled with the fact that he blocked a spell the same night Death Eaters were protected, should be read as town?
For all we know, the Death Eater's spell may have worked on Harry as well because he has a part of Voldemort inside him.

 

[Machamp The Champion]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

Wow, a lot of incriminated evidence today! Grant and Celever seem very likely to be scum. I find it pretty unlikely that an ability caused both of those abilities to fail. I'd like to see role claims from both of you. Brave also looks very suspicious. I researched his role a bit, and none of it is really accurate to Luna Lovegood. A lot of the abilities I could easily see belonging to a wolf/indie, too.

And then of course there's SS, who didn't die yesterday. All of these players seem incredibly suspicious. I'd be fine with lynching any of them. Out of all of them, Brave seems like the best lynch. I just can't see his role being real. With SS, he's very likely to be modkilled, and for Grant and Celever, someone could've theoretically blocked Vom/Brave to cause those abilities to fail (Brave could also be lying about his ability failing entirely to frame Celever).

 

[PMJ]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

I'm not meaning to imply I believe he's town, just that it's also odd that a good guy would be protected if it only hits scum.

 

[Celever]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

OK, well I don't know if I should be openly admitting this or not, but I don't have an active ability (bb and Jeremy can confirm, I claimed in the mason chat a while ago) and I think that's why the action failed. It seems like Luis has odd flavour where if an action fails, he sends them "blocked" as opposed to any other failure message...

 

[Lenny]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

Wow, a lot of incriminated evidence today! Grant and Celever seem very likely to be scum. I find it pretty unlikely that an ability caused both of those abilities to fail. I'd like to see role claims from both of you. Brave also looks very suspicious. I researched his role a bit, and none of it is really accurate to Luna Lovegood. A lot of the abilities I could easily see belonging to a wolf/indie, too.

And then of course there's SS, who didn't die yesterday. All of these players seem incredibly suspicious. I'd be fine with lynching any of them. Out of all of them, Brave seems like the best lynch. I just can't see his role being real. With SS, he's very likely to be modkilled, and for Grant and Celever, someone could've theoretically blocked Vom/Brave to cause those abilities to fail (Brave could also be lying about his ability failing entirely to frame Celever).

Agreed, I'm willing to bet at least one of Grant or Celever is scum. It's very intriguing how both of them had abilities blocked. I'm more inclined to say Grant because Celever was in the soft-cleared mason QT, but as we saw rev3rsor flipped indie, so who knows? Do we have any real confirmation on the rest of the QT being town?

Brave's role claim is suspicious in that people are saying the lore doesn't sound right, but I can't vouch for that as I don't know much about Harry Potter.

OK, well I don't know if I should be openly admitting this or not, but I don't have an active ability (bb and Jeremy can confirm, I claimed in the mason chat a while ago) and I think that's why the action failed. It seems like Luis has odd flavour where if an action fails, he sends them "blocked" as opposed to any other failure message...

Hey Celever, could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean.

 

[bbninjas]

RE: Werewolf XXIV: The Wizarding War - Day 5 ends January 18th, at 23:59 GMT

OK, well I don't know if I should be openly admitting this or not, but I don't have an active ability (bb and Jeremy can confirm, I claimed in the mason chat a while ago) and I think that's why the action failed. It seems like Luis has odd flavour where if an action fails, he sends them "blocked" as opposed to any other failure message...

Confirmed.

And then of course there's SS, who didn't die yesterday.

Why do you say SS died?

Wow, a lot of incriminated evidence today! Grant and Celever seem very likely to be scum. I find it pretty unlikely that an ability caused both of those abilities to fail. I'd like to see role claims from both of you. Brave also looks very suspicious. I researched his role a bit, and none of it is really accurate to Luna Lovegood. A lot of the abilities I could easily see belonging to a wolf/indie, too.

And then of course there's SS, who didn't die yesterday. All of these players seem incredibly suspicious. I'd be fine with lynching any of them. Out of all of them, Brave seems like the best lynch. I just can't see his role being real. With SS, he's very likely to be modkilled, and for Grant and Celever, someone could've theoretically blocked Vom/Brave to cause those abilities to fail (Brave could also be lying about his ability failing entirely to frame Celever).

Agreed, I'm willing to bet at least one of Grant or Celever is scum. It's very intriguing how both of them had abilities blocked. I'm more inclined to say Grant because Celever was in the soft-cleared mason QT, but as we saw rev3rsor flipped indie, so who knows? Do we have any real confirmation on the rest of the QT being town?

Brave's role claim is suspicious in that people are saying the lore doesn't sound right, but I can't vouch for that as I don't know much about Harry Potter.

OK, well I don't know if I should be openly admitting this or not, but I don't have an active ability (bb and Jeremy can confirm, I claimed in the mason chat a while ago) and I think that's why the action failed. It seems like Luis has odd flavour where if an action fails, he sends them "blocked" as opposed to any other failure message...

Hey Celever, could you elaborate? I'm not quite sure I understand what you mean.

Celever is basically saying that his whole role has Passive Abilities meaning Aura Scan cannot work on him. That would be why Brave's action report came up with 'blocked'.