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So let me get this straight. We are talking about vote count analyzing and you decide it's a good idea to randomly list what you think are examples of scum tells?
"Examples" means multiple. You gave one example - GM Drac appearing particularly interested in vote weights. Apart from only have one example, you also need to consider that vote weights is only one part of analysing vote counts. Analysing vote counts means much, much more; which as Camo said, the town he does not do enough of in the slightest.
I said that in general - everything can be scumtell if it is all what you do instead of contributing. Thus Ss is wrong with saying that this time of anslyzing voting is a scum tell.
Sorry for typos -on my phone
This discussion is no longer productive. We've established that it's not a scum tell.
@scattered mind you need to make your posts clearer. They are too vague.
@scattered mind you need to make your posts clearer. They are too vague.
Sorry. I am working on it.
@Empoleon_master If you don't start contributing without being asked you will probably be lynched.
My bad. I'll do my best to stop.
We can tell someone doesn't have a vote weight. But are you entirely sure it's Camo with no vote weight? It could be anyone.
I said one of you, Camo, SM, and Jabber has a vote weight of 0. Not that Camo has a vote weight of 0.
Oh, I didn't catch that. Whoops.
I misinterpreted the message as it saying Camo had a vote weight of zero.
I'm going through and analysing Jabber's posts now; spoilered because large. tl;dr at the bottom
Being the one who brought EM up first, this isn't an all too surprising vote. However, it is an EM lynch and I'm very wary of EM wagons. I feel like Jabber is trying a bit too hard to scumhunt here. The point on EM's meta feels like it is searching too far without the right knowledge (considering EM played similar to this as town last time). There is also a bit of echoing going on, but that's not surprising when you haven't posted for about 10 or so pages. The misread about Maya is interesting, but it's not something scum would want to do. Another point is that Jabber did bring up Morda, which is also suss because morda is another easy lynch. But, I'm feeling like Jabber is still getting his head around this scumhunting business rather than playing scummy.
Like I said, I'm fairly certain all this does is echo.[/quote]
I'm feel like this is a frustrated townie defense post. Jabber has been questioned about RVS shenanigans again, so being poked and questioned about it again would certainly lead to frustration.
Here's what I'm picking up in regards to Jabber:
Townie
- Attempts in scumhunting
- Frustration that is expected from a townie in that situation
Neutral
- Falling for AtE. If Jesi is scum, then this may indicate scumbuddying. However, if Jesi is town, then Jabber appears to be feeling sorry, which is a townier thing imo.
Scummy
- Push on EM and morda; unhealthy focus on EM
- Feeling the need to clarify posts in fear of being called scum
- RVS issues
The issue I'm having is that the scummy points are weak and WIFOMy in that they can be made by town just as much as town. I don't think that they are points worth using to lynch Jabber today, and would be better used for a later date. I think the frustration is big townie points for Jabber, because it is consistent to what I expect a townie to be like under this pressure.
So, looks like I have to search for another vote...
I think this (and the stuff afterwards) is pro-town hunting. It's not like the tell is false, and I find this quite logical. Of course his response to Jesi's somewhat average defense is important here.
This is the questionable stuff. Jabber turned from scumhunting to coaching/helping. Jesi used a lot of AtE in her "defense" post. Because of that, I'm not surprised that Jabber turned from pressuring to helping. That said, it is certainly a scummy point.
This seems to be something a lot of people are picking at. However, considering he suggested other options just before he wrote this, I feel like this is a neutral or a legitimate post. However, PP explained nicely the issue with this, being TGK and Jesi were very undercooked leads. Let's check out Jabber's response to this.
I think all three are legitimate defenses. I think fluff was overused by PP at this point, and personally I don't have much of an issue with that part of Jabber's posts. The middle makes sense considering Jesi AtE'd. The latter is logical.
Was Jabber the first to put EM to the table? That's interesting to note...
Although PP's scumtell can be true, I can see Jabber's reactions to this tell similar to mine as town when suddenly I'm scummy for trying to play the game.
This is interesting. I can't really recall this being on Jabber's mind in any past games or while hosting, and strikes me as possibly scum being persistent with an idea with the purpose of not being called out for backpedalling. That said, its WIFOM territory being both a potential townie action and a potential scum action.
This is also an interesting post. The two things that town shouldnt be doing is in this post. Firstly, feeling the need to recognise that there post could be perceived scummy and then throwing around terms (i.e. bandwagon) inaccurately. Unfortunately latter is also happening in town here presumably because our meta is extra unforgiving, and then because people don't know what real tells are. I'm taking this post as neutral, slightly scummy because that is what it should be.
Responding to PP, which is fine. He also did respond, however due to quoting errors little saw it.
Being the one who brought EM up first, this isn't an all too surprising vote. However, it is an EM lynch and I'm very wary of EM wagons. I feel like Jabber is trying a bit too hard to scumhunt here. The point on EM's meta feels like it is searching too far without the right knowledge (considering EM played similar to this as town last time). There is also a bit of echoing going on, but that's not surprising when you haven't posted for about 10 or so pages. The misread about Maya is interesting, but it's not something scum would want to do. Another point is that Jabber did bring up Morda, which is also suss because morda is another easy lynch. But, I'm feeling like Jabber is still getting his head around this scumhunting business rather than playing scummy.
Don't like this.
Somewhat hypocritical.
Here, Jabber tries to stop RVS. While RVS is annoying at times, you can't stop it because it allows people to guage reactions. You also can't really have a case at this early stage in the game (outside of the obnixous vote wall), and trying to stop RVS, which can lead to cases due to reaction, is a step towards stopping discussion, something that the scum want.
Like I said, I'm fairly certain all this does is echo.[/quote]
I'm feel like this is a frustrated townie defense post. Jabber has been questioned about RVS shenanigans again, so being poked and questioned about it again would certainly lead to frustration.
This is a townie comment I think.
Here's what I'm picking up in regards to Jabber:
Townie
- Attempts in scumhunting
- Frustration that is expected from a townie in that situation
Neutral
- Falling for AtE. If Jesi is scum, then this may indicate scumbuddying. However, if Jesi is town, then Jabber appears to be feeling sorry, which is a townier thing imo.
Scummy
- Push on EM and morda; unhealthy focus on EM
- Feeling the need to clarify posts in fear of being called scum
- RVS issues
The issue I'm having is that the scummy points are weak and WIFOMy in that they can be made by town just as much as town. I don't think that they are points worth using to lynch Jabber today, and would be better used for a later date. I think the frustration is big townie points for Jabber, because it is consistent to what I expect a townie to be like under this pressure.
So, looks like I have to search for another vote...
If and when EM posts full his full thoughts and opinions, I'm willing to take my vote off him. I'm aware that he's played similarly to this as town in the past, but I don't remember any time he was scum, so I'm not sure we can really use that as a reference.
Both of these posts annoy me for some reason. TGK's quip about Celever only pretending to be sarcastic wasn't really worth replying to, and strikes me as odd because I can't actually see Celever doing that. I remember at least one or two other instances where he's sarcastically claimed scum when I'm almost certain he wasn't.
As for the second post, I think just about everyone feels that way on their first few games. I certainly did. I wouldn't mind this so much if they weren't the only things Sky posted in that timespan. I feel like it indicates an overeagerness to agree, which seems to smack of scum.
It could also just be to fill the vote quota, which could be new town or scum, IMO. One way or the other, it doesn't particularly help anything to post meaningless things like that.
Same. Very much same. I've had that feeling ever since last WW game, where I was town and acting posting as I saw fit, and got lynched anyway.
Both of these posts annoy me for some reason. TGK's quip about Celever only pretending to be sarcastic wasn't really worth replying to, and strikes me as odd because I can't actually see Celever doing that. I remember at least one or two other instances where he's sarcastically claimed scum when I'm almost certain he wasn't.
As for the second post, I think just about everyone feels that way on their first few games. I certainly did. I wouldn't mind this so much if they weren't the only things Sky posted in that timespan. I feel like it indicates an overeagerness to agree, which seems to smack of scum.
It could also just be to fill the vote quota, which could be new town or scum, IMO. One way or the other, it doesn't particularly help anything to post meaningless things like that.
Ahhh sorry my bad!!!
Yep I was referring to vote WEIGHTS! Drac did that one time and so did I in luis' game.
Anyway as has been said the discussion got carried away
Sorry y'all.
@Jabberwock; is there anyone that you find scummy that isn't among the following:
- EM
- Robin
- morda
- Skyleaf
- Jesi
These are all easy people to say they are scummy and/or push as a lynch because they're new, have a habit of being scummy all the time, or are in general quite favoured lynches.
- EM
- Robin
- morda
- Skyleaf
- Jesi
These are all easy people to say they are scummy and/or push as a lynch because they're new, have a habit of being scummy all the time, or are in general quite favoured lynches.
I'm leaning slightly scum on simsands. Not sure I buy that he didn't realize that Celever was being sarcastic. As I mentioned earlier, I'm pretty sure Celever has done this before. In games simsands has played in.
I'll go back and see if there are any other posts that feel off to me.
I'll go back and see if there are any other posts that feel off to me.
I realize this. When trying to come up with a response I realized the logicless-ness of my third option.
Welp, I just fell into JibJab's statement again by agreeing with bb.
And by saying that I am also agreeing with Jabberwock saying I agree a lot. Woo agreements! XD
I'm sorry for posting fluff. I try to get as many cards on the table as possible when I know I'm not scum, because I feel that honesty will shine through. I can even roleclaim if you guys wish.
Don't worry, you'll know me better as time pass... I sometimes don't notice obvious things... Ask Luispipe8, he knows me IRL.
You saw that nothing changed when I posted my vote.
Again... Why would you need this? You may hosted before, but your thinking is hardly the same as other people's.
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