What should it take to become an ex pokemon?

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There was a thread where people were trying to figure out why so far the only current Pokemon ex are basic legendary pokemon. Now I don't dispute that point as I personally would love to finally have a Leafeon and Glaceon ex. But look at some of the ex Pokemon from the R/S/E era. Did we really need a Lapras EX, Muk EX, or Banette EX for example? We still got them. That era also gave us four Kyogre and Groudon EX, three Rayquaza EX, and two Regice EX Regirock EX and Registeel EX? Again I say we still got them. Why did we get a Dustox EX but not a Beautifly EX? Why did we get a Mr. Mime EX (two of them actually) but not a Tangela EX? Why did we get an Electrode EX but not a Magneton EX?

So my question is what should it take to be chosen to be an ex Pokemon?

My initial opinion would be the Pokemon should be a well known or one or be considered to be rather powerful. We all know legendaries qualify for this. Almost everyone would agree that evolutions of starters and Eevee evolutions also qualify. I am interested though to see what everyone else's opinion is on this.
 
I want to see them support some of the internet popularity.

a Mudkip EX, Magikarp EX, and even a Qwilfish EX would be awesome.
 
Some of them would only come in as Shiny Pokemon or Gold Star Pokemon (which is also shining pokemon anyway) if they were to ever reintroduce that again.

Obviously what qualifies as an EX is highest evolution form of a Pokemon or a basic with no evolution form, more so a legendary Pokemon.

They then made the gold star cards as sort of being the opposite of that but not totally, like the gold star Charizard they made.
 
All it takes to be an EX Pokémon is being a Legendary Pokémon.

Looking at the current EX's, this is pretty true.
 
What SHOULD it take?

-The Pokemon SHOULD have to be well-recognized and classic (Mudkip? Pikachu? Gyarados? Mewtwo? Scizor? ;D).
-It SHOULD be something that looks awesome (and not poorly-designed...).
-And it SHOULD be something that they can design a really cool attack/Ability/support around.

What DOES it take?

-Be a Legendary.
 
I think we can see a Charizard/Venusaur/Blastoise EX in the future for sure. I know there's a lot of reiteration on the card being a Legendary, but these cards (other than Blastoise) haven't seen the light of day since Arceus and Supreme Victors.
 
Actuallly, we had a Venusaur revealed to be in Dark Rush. Really, it depends how long the ex cards go on for. If they continue making lots of money for Pokemon like I anticipate that they will, they'll keep going until they run out of legendaries. The Unova starters will probably be some of the first non-legendary EXes printed, then maybe starters from other regions, and other powerful stuff like Hydreigon, Volcarona, etc.
 
@Queen Excel: That might be kind of interesting to see a Mudkip ex (not to impressive on it's own though), followed by a Marshtomp ex, and a Swampert ex. Get a whole ex line up. I doubt that would happen though. Why would you want a Magikarp ex?

@Bullet: Rememeber though that Ruby and Sapphire brought us Scyther EX and Chansey EX. We didn't get Scizor EX and Blissey EX until at least Unseen Forces IIRC.

@Scizorlicious: Well recognized by who? The Pokemon community? I think they're familiar with other Pokemon besides legendaries, or even starters. By that logic almost everyone could be an ex but that doesn't mean it should (I again refer to Dustox EX or Muk EX). I'm not sure what you mean by classic though. Similarily I think the concept of Pokemon looking awesome or being poorly designed is rather a matter of opinion. Attack/Ability/Support could be something that could be on quite a few things. Take for example Kyogre ex:

[W][C] Smash Turn: 30 damage. You may switch this Pokemon with one of your Benched Pokemon.
[W][W][C] Dual Splash: Choose 2 of your opponent’s Pokemon, and do 50 damage to each of them. (Don’t apply Weakness and Resistance when damaging the Bench.)

Tell me this could not have been put on Wailord just as easily. I bet it could have gone on Gyarados just as easily as well.

It's not that I oppose ex Pokemon, but I'm kind of hoping that the seemingly crazy amount of EX Pokemon we got in the R/S/E era won't reach that level in this one.
 
Pikachu6319 said:
@Queen Excel: That might be kind of interesting to see a Mudkip ex (not to impressive on it's own though), followed by a Marshtomp ex, and a Swampert ex. Get a whole ex line up. I doubt that would happen though. Why would you want a Magikarp ex?
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Because a Magikarp EX would be the best thing ever. It's popular, well-recognized, and deserves some appreciation.
 
Actually, the thing I loved about the original approach to the ex cards was that there wasn't any set of requirements; any Pokémon, some that typically would've been outright neglected, suddenly had a big opportunity to (literally) shine as a fantastic looking holofoil with amped up attacks. That's not to say it was perfect (OP pointed out some obviously weird incidentals) or there weren't some underlying tendencies anyways (a lot of the ex cards were revamps of old cards (Base Set Blastoise --> FRLG Blastoise ex; etc.), but for what it was, I loved it.

Now it's just legendaries, cards that (following recent trends) would've been amped up and frantic anyways.



Tangentials in direct response to OP:

* I retroactively find it interesting that in some 'pairings', or at least parallels, EG Banette/Dusclops and Magneton/Electrode, the one that DIDN'T get an ex card was the one that got an evolution later on. Though that doesn't explain a lack of Beautifly ex.
* As far as Lapras ex goes, the first set of exes in EXRS were all acting as updates of popular Basic (and non-evolving at time of their introduction) cards and they tried to do one per type. It wasn't perfect -- Scizor ex and Blissey ex later on had an awkward and somewhat unprecedented 'Evolves from' line; there was no representative ex for the Steel-type (Skarmory was the only real candidate and it never had an especially good card from Genesis-Skyridge; though it eventually got an ex card in the end anyways in Power Keepers). The only candidates for the Water ex really was Lapras.. the alternates would've been Delibird, maybe Jynx... Mantine? Lapras made sense for what it was, so they updated its Fossil print for the ex card.
 
@DMYSYS: It seems to me you've validated my original question. What was the deciding factor for Lapras being more qualifed to be an EX Pokemon than Mantine? Why was Scyther more qualifed to be an EX Pokemon than Pinsir or Heracross? Why was Hitmonchan more qualifed to be an EX than Hitmonlee or Hitmontop? Why was Mewtwo more qualifed to be an EX than Girafarig (okay legendary, scratch that question).

You say the original way of doing EX's gave otherwise 'ignored' Pokemon a chance to shine. I can't disagree with that but again I wonder about the qualifications. Why was Muk more qualified to be an EX than Nidoking or Nidoqueen? Why was Walrein (who had two versions) more qualified to be an EX than Dewgong? Why was Steelix more qualified to be an EX than Forretress? Why was Kabutops more qualified to be an EX than Omastar (who was the only fossil pokemon at that time who never got an EX form)?

It seems to me there had to some qualification that we're not aware of because of my (probably rhetorical) questions that I posed above.

Actually, Dusclops did receive an EX card in Emerald. I do agree though that retroactivally it's quite a coincidence that Electrode became an EX and Magneton evoloved (they both would receive Primes in the HGSS sets) though that is probably all that it is.
 
I think it would be cool if Pokemon decided to let players and collectors to chose the ex's online for a few of them, it would be a great way for Pokemon to interact with there fans
 
It's just what pokemon decides. They probably have some way of deciding, but it's up to them. No one here can explain why some pokemon were picked over others.
 
Well I hope they do print some NON legendary EX pokemon :)
Kingdra, Gengar, Luxray would be nice to see to name a few :D

I don't want a bunch of 180HP Legendary basics :( They are nice, don't get me wrong :) but I would like to see some other EX cards
 
Kingdra_fan said:
Well I hope they do print some NON legendary EX pokemon :)
Kingdra, Gengar, Luxray would be nice to see to name a few :D

I don't want a bunch of 180HP Legendary basics :( They are nice, don't get me wrong :) but I would like to see some other EX cards
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Realistically, some people say its too much HP, but the jump is consistent with the old EX cards when considering the increase in damage.

Looking at Typhlosion, the EX has an HP of 150-160, 40-50 more than the regulat Typhlosion, and the average damage back then was nowhere near the 120 for 3 of today. For basics, look at Latias. Here we have a potential increase of 30 HP on a basic. I don't know the best ex pokemon of the day, but even some of these had the damage output to OHKO non EX evolutions. They give up two prizes, so they need to be worth the effort.

One thing about EX Stage 2, as the format is right now, stage 2s only have a few viable pokemon due to the difficulty of setting them up in the current meta. In order for a stage 2 EX to be really playable, it needs to be worth 2 prizes and the trouble of setup, and such a card could be far more gamebreaking than 180 HP basics.
 
A stage 2 EX wouldn't really be viable UNLESS it came with some sort of built in draw like Magnezone. Unfortunately, that applies to pretty much all stage 2's lately.
 
I think that EX's will be Pokemon to do with the sets they would be in (Swampert, Sceptile, Blaziken & some others for a R/S remake set) etc.
One thing to remember is that they will be around for a fairly long time (3-5 sets) so they may expand on other Pokemon in future sets.
 
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