Discussion Wide Lens

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Let's talk about this interesting card. It allows you to hit Benched Pokemon for weakness.

Electivire BCR does 30 to all benched. With Wide Lens and no Altaria, sets up Shaymin to be 2HKOed. He also chews bats up and spits them out. That's awfully specific, though; Minun LTR can hit them all for 20 for a single energy.

Landorus-EX can do 60 and 60 against all the Fighting-weak Lightning types that are sure to increase in popularity - a scary thought.

It seems like it could be useful on Mega Gallade, but attaching it effectively could be a hassle, Crobat isn't weak to Psychic, and Psychic-types are OHKOed by Unwavering Blade anyway.

All fairies are weak to Metal, but there aren't really any cards that can make use of Wide Lens, and Metal decks don't have any issue with ravaging Fairy decks anyway. That seems to be the issue with this card - most of the cards that can utilize it really shouldn't need to, spread damage is weak and, in most decks, not everything is weak to the same type. There's also the fact that it hits for Resistance as well, meaning that in decks where your attacks are resisted, it's a dead card and only serves to get you Assault Lasered for big damage. Still, I like interesting cards like these, and I'm sure it has use somewhere.

What do you guys think?
 
I feel like pokemon such as Dustox (RSK) absolutely need this card to be effective. Dustox could 2HKO benched Seismitoads for 3 prizes and that seems great, but Dustox being a stage 2, and very underwhelming with the exception of taking 2 prizes for KO'ing a benched Egg.
 
Manectric-EX comes to mind, long as you're not planning on evolving to Mega-Manectric...but I don't know where the 40 extra damage from overrun would come in useful, since you're going to be OHKOing Shaymin, Rayquaza (Without Altaria), Yveltal and so on anyway. It's not even that useful for sniping bats, as it comes just 10 damage short of OHKO'ing a Zubat.

I'd say it'll be useful in rogue decks, or (ugh) as a tech in Landorus decks to sweep through Manectric if that card becomes more popular in countering MRay.
 
The problem is that in the case of things like Lando, you sorta need that Muscle Band or other Tool to do uniformalised damage to the active.
 
It's difficult to justify hitting the bench for small weakness over hitting the active for massive damage. Wide Lens wont see a lot of use because of that.
 
We don't have the card at the moment to make use of Wide lens. There will be over 15 new sets released before ROS rotates out. Hopefully we'll get something that can make use of it then
 
Why would I want a situational boost when I could just Muscle Band my Pokemon and keep hitting for 20 extra? If I'm hitting Weakness on things like Shaymin already I'm quite happy to simply Lysandre them up if the opportunity comes to it. I don't see Wide Lens ever being good unless we see cards with multiple types or multiple weaknesses return to the TCG.
 
Blui said:
Why would I want a situational boost when I could just Muscle Band my Pokemon and keep hitting for 20 extra? If I'm hitting Weakness on things like Shaymin already I'm quite happy to simply Lysandre them up if the opportunity comes to it. I don't see Wide Lens ever being good unless we see cards with multiple types or multiple weaknesses return to the TCG.
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Muscle Band only works on the opponent's ACTIVE Pokémon...
 
MrIronGolem27 said:
Muscle Band only works on the opponent's ACTIVE Pokémon...
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But the thing is, your opponent's active Pokemon is more likely going to be the one that needs taking down more. Plus, a lot of the time attacks that hit the bench also have base damage, or an alternative attack that needs Band. Things like Bats, Zapdos NXD and Dustox RSK all don't have this, so it /could/ be used (but even then Hard Charm may be better). Things like M-Gallade-EX, M-Latias-EX, Manectric-EX and Landorus-EX all need tools to work best.
 
Blui said:
Does that matter? It's a consistent +20 damage, whereas Wide Lens will only help you in matchups you'll probably win off of type advantage anyway.
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Whoops; accidentally interpreted that as "let's use Muscle Band to exploit damage against Benched Pokémon" instead of "let's use Muscle Band instead of Wide Lens because Wide Lens sucks."
 
In Expanded, Raikou EX could snipe Lighting weak Pokemon for 200 damage.
 
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Random idea:

Blaziken FRF can snipe Fire-weak Benched EXs for 360 damage.

EDIT: 300, not 360. Forgot that you can't have two Pokémon Tools on a single Pokémon.
 
Zapdos LTR has a snipe attack that for LCC does 50. With wide angle lens you could do 100 to a Shaymin, but you still need 10 more dmg. (maybe a spread attack like Spinda PRC).
 
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themiraclemeat said:
Zapdos LTR has a snipe attack that for LCC does 50. With wide angle lens you could do 100 to a Shaymin, but you still need 10 more dmg. (maybe a spread attack like Spinda PRC).
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Remember, a two attack combo is a two attack combo; running an attacker you normally wouldn't, a Pokémon Tool you normally wouldn't an a spread attacker you normally wouldn't for a OHKO to something on the Bench is more of a narrow focus than a Wide Lens.

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Too forced? Okay, but the point remains; Wide Lens is a super-specific card. If we get something that is already awesome but with Wide Lens its Bench damage is suddenly relevant because it OHKOs a sufficient amount of Bench-sitters and you don't get much from tacking +20 damage to whatever you're doing to the Active (or -20 soaking damage, or a free Retreat, or speeding up Mega Evolution etc.) we are good.

Attacks that just hit the Bench still have to compare with running something else with a similar requirements that hits the Active hard and... a Pokémon Reversal. Yeah, half the time it does nothing but it too is an Item and when it works, its Lysandre without burning up your Supporter requirements.
 
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