Will Lysandre's Trump Card Destroy Flareon?

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Here's a question I have that relates to Phantom Gate. Will Lysandre's Trump Card destroy all chance of Flareon decks being competitive?
 
I don't think Flareon was all too competitive to begin with... But no, Because it really isn't such a viable card. It shuffles both players cards back In so you're giving your opponent alllll their resources so I don't know how many situations that will be good in.
 
I don't think it will destroy it. It might hurt it a little. This is because it will bring back other resources such as Audino's to heal damage, Flareon, and also ultra balls and junipers. I don't think the Lysandre's Trump Card will be played that much.
 
Hmm... That's what I was thinking. I wasn't sure of the competitive viability of Lysandre's Trump Card. I couldn't quite tell If it'd be amazingly great or not played too often.

Thanks for the input,
LoneWolf2113
 
You could also use Battle Compressor to get pokemon into your discard pile, and when they use Lysandre's Trump Card you get all of them back, so I don't think it kills it
 
I think Lysandre's Trump Card will see a decent amount of play. It allows players to be less conservative with their resources, knowing that everything can be recovered in the late game. This means Lasers and Enhanced Hammers don't need to be saved for critical moments, and you don't need to think twice about discarding extra Supporters with Ultra Ball. While this does set Flareon's setup back, it also recovers all of the cards that sent Pokemon to the discard in the first place, like Battle Compressor, Sycamore, etc. I actually thing Flareon could become stronger than it was before thanks to this new set.
 
Flareon is only good as a part of rouge decks. I do see Lysandres last resort being played a decent amount, for the same resons as My Little Keldeo. I think it is a card that could work well in Vir/ Gen becuse you will be able to have a late game. I think it will also go well in a deck that has lots of hamers, catchers, and other cards that rely on a coin flip because lysandres last resort will allow you to play them again.
 
Omg I just have to say I L-O-V-E Lysandre's Trump Card. It's great even though there's only one in the deck. I think everyone else will soon feel as I do and play the card, but this doesn't hurt Flareon too much. You just need a backup attacker and hey, they also shuffled back in your 4 Battle Compressors. I could even see Flareon decks playing Lysandre's Trump Card themselves. There's just so many ways to discard Pokemon now, that losing Vengeance will only happen for about a couple turns.
 
Carpey said:
Omg I just have to say I L-O-V-E Lysandre's Trump Card. It's great even though there's only one in the deck. I think everyone else will soon feel as I do and play the card, but this doesn't hurt Flareon too much. You just need a backup attacker and hey, they also shuffled back in your 4 Battle Compressors. I could even see Flareon decks playing Lysandre's Trump Card themselves. There's just so many ways to discard Pokemon now, that losing Vengeance will only happen for about a couple turns.
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And during those couple of turns the super fast EX basics will smash Flareon into colorful wrapping paper. Especially if they're already set up before using LTC
 
It isn't even a question. Trump Card will see so much play, that the side effect of shuffling for your opponent isn't even that bad, since your opponent probably plays that card as well.

As for Flareon, it actually sees a lot more play than you would think. It is the number 1 budget deck, since it really can't be countered by Garbodor (as it doesn't use Ability's, aside from the occasional Kecleon), uses several types so Water really doesn't hurt it, and gets around Pyroar and Safeguard. But will it get hurt by Trump Card? Yes. Not as much as you guys might think, but I do feel that Flareon might die off if Trump Card becomes the next 'Max Potion' or 'Pokemon Catcher', where everyone wants to get their hands on it. Now, I say that FLAREON might die off, not the deck, 'Flareon & Friends'. If Trump Card becomes too much to handle, I could see people, instead of using Flareon and Terrakion, using Dugtrio and Reshiram.
 
GadgetJax said:
It isn't even a question. Trump Card will see so much play, that the side effect of shuffling for your opponent isn't even that bad, since your opponent probably plays that card as well.

As for Flareon, it actually sees a lot more play than you would think. It is the number 1 budget deck, since it really can't be countered by Garbodor (as it doesn't use Ability's, aside from the occasional Kecleon), uses several types so Water really doesn't hurt it, and gets around Pyroar and Safeguard. But will it get hurt by Trump Card? Yes. Not as much as you guys might think, but I do feel that Flareon might die off if Trump Card becomes the next 'Max Potion' or 'Pokemon Catcher', where everyone wants to get their hands on it. Now, I say that FLAREON might die off, not the deck, 'Flareon & Friends'. If Trump Card becomes too much to handle, I could see people, instead of using Flareon and Terrakion, using Dugtrio and Reshiram.
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Whether of not Trump Card will see play actually is actually a pretty big question. Personally I feel like people will either run 1 of Trump Card, Xerosoic, or Lysandre depending on the deck (and their personal preference).

Flareon hasn't seen that much play. It hasn't really had much success at all at any recent tournaments. Only one Flareon deck made Top 32 at the most recent regionals and no one played Flareon in Day 2. I wouldn't say it saw much play and nor would I call it the number 1 budget deck. However that doesn't really matter since Flareon gets a new toy from Phantom Forces: Battle Compressor. Battle Compressor is amazing in Flareon. Trump Card shuffles in your whole discard pile so all your Battle Compressors are also returned to the deck. This lessens Trump Cards impact by a little although it still slows Flareon down tremendously. Trump Card by no means kills Flareon but a well timed one has the potential to hurt it tremendously.
 
I don't think Lysandre's Trump Card will destroy Flareon decks (thanks to battle compressor) but I wonder how Flareon/Cofagrigus varients will be affected. That's a deck which relies on knocking out Cofagrigus (and giving up a prize) to get Pokemon in the discard. Trump Card reverses all of that and could force a player to give opponent's prizes to keep up.
 
I can see Flareon being used to counter Leafeon If you need a way to keep Item Lock going with Seismitoad EX but as for Lysandre's Trump Card, Flareon can get around it pretty easily with Battle Compressor.
 
After testingwith Flareon, it's a seriously legit deck thanks to Battle Compressor. I've been using Fighting energy and backup attacks such as Hawlucha, Stunfisk DRX/LTR, Kecleon, and the Outrage dragons. Battle Compressor gives the deck its needed speed. So far the worst maktchup I've seen with it is Gengar, but it seems to perfrom quite well otherwise once you get used to it. The idea is to not use any Pokemon-EX, and force the opponent to take six prizes the long way- something many decks have trouble doing efficiently. Getting hit with a Trump card sucks, but it's not that big of a deal. The other attackers can still do some good work while you're getting set up again, and in a turn or two you'll have your discard filled up again anyway. Also notable is that your DCE, Compressors, and all your other resources are now returned to you. I understand that aren't many true believers out there, and Flareon certainly isn't a simple deck to play, but I'd expect to see a fair amount of it at Cities.
 
Flareon is a very very fun deck to play and will always until rotated a budget contender deck. Like what everyone has said it sucks to get hit with Trump card but it only takes 2 turns really to get caught up again with Battle Compressor. Leafeon is also a great partner as well.
 
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