Yveltal Variants: Raichu vs. Garbodor vs. Fairies

LoneWolf2113

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Hey guys,

So after switching a couple of decks around, I feel that I've come to the conclusion that I want to play either Yveltal EX or Fighting (but Fighting is for another thread, of course). So this thread is about Yveltal EX variants and which one is potentially the best. I have experience with Raichu and Garbodor Versions, but can't decide which one is best. Basically here are the strategies of the three:

Raichu - Hit hard and hit fast. Raichu is there to deal with cards like Pyroar and Sigilyph while Yveltal EX is there to hit hard with Evil Ball or Y Cyclone. This deck can include techs llike Mewtwo EX and Seismitoad EX. Biggest Weakess: Landorus EX/Fighting

Garbodor - Activate Garbodor's Garbotoxin by attaching a Float Stone for free retreat while hitting for big damage with Yveltal EX, your main attacker. Jirachi EX and Darkrai EX included for maybe abilities. Biggest Weakness: Raichu or just Startling Megaphone which can be shut off with Seismitoad EX.

Fairies - Accelerate Fairy Energy with Xerneas XY and attach rainbow energy manually to fully utilize Aromatisse XY's Fairy transfer, moving energy on to Yveltal while Rainbows are there for status denial with Virizion EX is a tech for status denial since rainbow is grass, Fairy and dark at the same time, meaning Darkrai EX an be an easy tech card for this deck long with a Seismitoad EX since you'll most likely be running at lest a couple of copies of DCEs in this deck. Also max potion is great since you can just move all of the energy off of active Yveltal EX, max potion, and transfer it all back. Biggest Weakness: Raichu, Garbodor, and Pyroar (unless you play basics)

Let me know which one you think is best and I may wind up playing it.

Thanks guys,
LoneWolf2113
 
I wouldn't reccoment the fairy variant at this time. While I used to play this when X/Y first came out (and it had problems to deal with the), there's a lot going against it in the current format. Garbodor is so popular right now, and Yveltal being the deck to beat, you can expect a lot of players trying to one-shot, which defeats the purpose of Aromatisse. Seismitoad also shuts this down, as it stops you from playing Max Potions. Aromatisse works best with something like Kangaskhan that's nearly impossible to one-shot. Yveltal's just too vulnerable right now.

Of the three, Yveltal/ Garbodor is probably the way to go for coverage, but given Yveltal's extreme popularity, Raichu is the best counter. The only problem with Yveltal/ Raichu is that without Garbodor it falls prey to other matchups, including Pyroar. A Raichu can easily get OHKOd, and pretty soon you won't have any to return KOs with. That said i'd pick either of these two.

Fighting variants are also a great choice, but just as you said that's for another thread.
 
Garbodor is definitely my favorite of the 3. Raichu really only helps against the mirror match. Garbodor is helpful against almost every other match up. I especially don't like Raichu's Pyroar match up. All you have is the 2-2/3-3 line of Raichu, which has to be in the active spot to deal any damage, so it dies very quickly. With Garbodor, you can leave it on the bench where it's safer, plus use Seismitoad to prevent them from playing Catchers. It also helps more against Vir/Gen Aromatisse, TDK, Donphan, and a big chunk of other random decks, too. Aromatisse is vulnerable to a lot of stuff, such as Pyroar, Seismitoad, and Garbodor, and has less space for Seismitoads, DCEs, and Lasers.
 
If you consider the sheer number of Yveltal decks that finished in the Top 32 across the recent Regional tournaments, I believe the majority ran the Garbodor variant. Personally, I prefer this variant too since allows me more options in the deck.
 
I'm with everyone else. The fairy version lost a lot since Prism rotated.

I feel that Garbodor is the best because it shuts down Pyroar/Virizion/Plasma/ and a whole host of other decks that rely on abilities. Also, Seismatoad + Garbodor is evil.

Don't know how Raichu would work, but I actually think Dedenne might be the better counter to opposing Yveltal EX
 
There is also Straight Dark (no Raichu or Garbodor). It's a solid play in a metagame without Pyroar or Fairy variants. With the extra space you can run more techs.

Tech Options:
  • Charizard EX (Combustion Blast) was played in the deck as a VirGen counter (even though the deck already had a good VirGen matchup).
  • Seismitoad EX
  • Spiritomb was also a good VirGen counter.
  • Hammers
  • More Lysandre
  • Pokemon Center Lady

The best Yveltal variant to play is always a meta call.
 
I'm really liking the Garbodor variant right now. (My deck of choice changes like every two weeks though, and might even change again with the new set.) I've been really underestimating how easy it is to hit for ridiculous numbers with Evil Ball and even Y Cyclone. Even without Dark Patch it seems, Yveltal is already good by itself, and Garbodor increases your match ups across the board. You have a way to deal with Pyroar built in to the deck so you don't have to worry about teching for it and losing consistency. Seismitoad also does a lot for most of your match ups including just being a general annoyance.
 
But I think the real threat to Garbodor is Goodra. It looks like we're getting that Goodra that prevents tools from being played. Decks that get hurt by Garbodor can add a line of this in for that matchup. Maybe Raichu or Zoroark would be the way to go once this set comes out.
 
Pffft now everyone is liking Yveltal Garbodor again. Nobody believed me (at least that I know of) when I said it was good a few months ago. Anyways, Yveltal/Garbodor with a Dedenne or 2 is good. Apply pressure with an EX, get Evil Balled, return KO with Dedenne on a stacked YveltalEX. Dedenne also lets you set up if you have to start with it, but Seismitoad is a way better starter. Maybe just 1 Dedenne is fine if you incorporate a Sacred Ash in your list.

As for the other variants, they just don't have as many good matchups as with Garbodor.
 
Carpey said:
Pffft now everyone is liking Yveltal Garbodor again. Nobody believed me (at least that I know of) when I said it was good a few months ago.
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I was one of those people, oops. (Or maybe I had only said that Darkrai would not be as good; I don't remember.) I definitely thought that loosing Dark Patch would hurt it more than it did, but apparently not. With Laserbank, hitting 170 is really easy for Yveltal even without Dark Patch. With Muscle Band and two Energies, you KO Genesects without G Booster and other three Energy, 170 HP attackers. Add another Energy and you can KO the likes of Virizion or a conservative Mewtwo or other Yveltal. I've only now gotten around to really testing some of the popular meta decks due to real life issues, but without a doubt Yveltal is solid.
 
Mora said:
I was one of those people, oops. (Or maybe I had only said that Darkrai would not be as good; I don't remember.) I definitely thought that loosing Dark Patch would hurt it more than it did, but apparently not. With Laserbank, hitting 170 is really easy for Yveltal even without Dark Patch. With Muscle Band and two Energies, you KO Genesects without G Booster and other three Energy, 170 HP attackers. Add another Energy and you can KO the likes of Virizion or a conservative Mewtwo or other Yveltal. I've only now gotten around to really testing some of the popular meta decks due to real life issues, but without a doubt Yveltal is solid.
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Haha I've actually done the opposite. I've been playing with my Yvel/Garb/Seis deck less and less since Regionals happened because I hate mirror matches. It's not that I lose them very often but I feel like the decks in this format mostly just require luck to win a mirror match. I'm not a lucky person by any means. Really my advice for playing Yveltal is to just incorporate an Yveltal counter or just play a different deck that counters it well.
 
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