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So here's what we have so far 3 Pichu 2-1-2 Gengar Prime 2-1-2 Vileplume 2-1-2 Reuniclus 2-2 Blissey 2 Mr.Mime 10 psy 2 Rescue 3 seeker 3 collector (maybe not with pichu) 3 pont or copycat 3 lost world 3 sage 4 candy 2 poke comm 4 twins How's that?

Sorry its late and my old memory's slipping! You're right its a must! Drop the collector?

Good starting list. Leaves about 25 supporters/trainers and stadiums. Around 10 energy (maybe 12 with rescue). Let's see... 4 seeker 4 collector (maybe not with pichu) 4 pont or copycat 3 lost world 4 sage 4 candy 2 poke comm?

Is victory medal legal in this format?

VileClus version of LostGar, Curious to see if anyone has a build list of vileclus with gengar. Theory it sounds great!

The original concept was to use smeargle, copy a supporter and see the hand. With switch, it can be effective. So joe, whatta u know?

In my testing of the list I posted, smeargle is nice, but it does "backfire" that's for sure. Portriated for a juniper (ouch!) Once I couldn't see the opponents hand and hurled with 3 on gengar, got nothing. So with tha said, mime is a nice addition. So willing to try deck post #2 by...

What do you suggest on the T/S/S lines then?

The point of smeargle is to use 2 supporters per turn plus look at your opponents hand. Pretty easy.

I agree if I hit a juniper on smeargle with a good hand it will bite. Pay off with smeargle using a supporter and look at the hand is worth the price I think.

It was just a quick "beta" idea. I will try it out tonite.I can junk for switches/ssu's to get smeargle out of slot. Thinking of max potion over ssu though. What do you suggest as draw support?

Will do! Anything else? What about the sage/cheren/juniper/bianca support? Not sure which way to go.

So now we got that cleared, anybody have a skeleton build on trainers? I have league and would be happy to test and report. How's this for a start... Pokemon: 4x Gastly 3x Haunter 4x Gengar Prime 2x Spiritomb(TR) 3x Smeargle(Portrait) 1x Mr. Mime(CL) =18 Trainer: 2x Pokémon Collector 4x...

I agree that ZPS is gengars worst nightmare ( odd pun on words!). Anyway we have been working on variants of lostgar and no matter what we do, ZPS wins. The reni/plume/gar looks great on paper, but catcher kills it. Benching oddish, gastly and solisis is great till they see your intention and...

Gengarforever, Not a thing, u

Hey back at ya.

DNA, Worlds is on the big island this year right?

What are u doing snooping? Lol

Don't go to nats?

Pokedads rule!