Did I somehow offend you by telling a personal anecdote relating to why I don’t mind CG Art on cards as someone who’s made Pokémon a major part of their lives for two decades? Imagine we were buds and after I talk about my childhood, your immediate response is “let’s break down the FALLACIES here” rofl
Like sure I might have been incorrect to say “most” ultra rares get AA prints, but that’s not even the point.
Didn't even address your first point in my earlier reply, so you getting offended is on you.
The fallacies all come up from your second statement which was:
1) most get alternate art prints SO there's no reason to be critical of 5ban
and
2) it is grating that 5ban art keeps getting negative reviews
So, that is your point in its entirety. Don't make things up now.
I was an art kid in elementary school, and back then I thought CG renders were the coolest things because it was something I couldn’t draw. I know they’re cheaper and relatively easy to make as an adult but I still have a bit of a soft spot for them tbh.
Also regular art Vs are bulk-adjacent these days and most end up getting alternate art prints anyway so there’s really no reason to be up in arms about 5ban. I’d escalate from “a little tiring” to “grating” honestly.
What did I do?
Prove without a doubt that (1) was wrong, and showed how many arts 5ban and the like are in charge of.
So, if (1) is wrong, then there are reasons to be critical which circles back to how their art is over-represented and since nothing changes, therefore the criticisms continue to be valid and the ratio of arts suggests that it cannot be "little tiring" or "grating" because there is an abundance of it.
Let's break down the fallacies here.
First, most people are collectors not players - even though this site is player based - so obviously people focus more on the art than anything else.
Second, in a JP set there are 6-8 Vs in a normal expansion of which all get FAs and 3-4 are AAs. In a special expansion it is 0 AAs.
So "most get AAs" is a lie. 5ban and its ilk are massively over-represented as hits.
In Astral Radiance, 21-7 of Vs and VMAX/STARs are CGI artists. For FAs and above it is 27-6. So a total of 48-13 in favour of CGI art for URs.
& that's the same story every set, so grating? Not enough more like.
And nothing like alt arts being the most valuable every set and higher rarity rainbows and golds always dropping like rocks because of lack of demand to back that up.
The rest of your post is not valid to the point, but I can break it down too.
Maybe, I don’t actually know, “most people” in the hobby by revenue are adults buying cases and cases of product because they have the financial means to and love Pokémon (which is good), or people who are feeding their gambling addiction/in it for stonks. But the majority by sheer numbers are the kids, and all the kids I’ve talked to are still just as excited about regular CG, bulk adjacent ultra rares as I was when I pulled a Gardevoir ex in 2006. They don’t care that it’s CG because either they think CG is cool (like me), and/or it’s a special, shiny card, nor do they care that it’s worth $1 on TCGPlayer.
The biggest TCG YouTubers aren't players. In aggregate, their following outweighs players by an insane amount. When Brilliant Stars first dropped, these guys thought VSTAR cards were errors. The collector's subreddit is 3x the amount of the players. If players were the majority of buyers, then there would have been no hype and massive print runs because the players have been there (and declining) since the start.
I highly doubt the majority are kids. Pokemon Go was the start of the revitalizing and resurrection of this franchise and that was driven by adults and unlike when Pokemon first came around, the kids getting into the hobby or any part of the franchise, are not coming into organically but driven by adults who like or used to like Pokemon.
And if they aren't the majority, and if like you said, they don't care about anything, then what's the point of using them as an example? If you gave a kid a shiny sticker they would be satisfied, does that mean that's the peak of design? Or to put it another way, would giving them an alt art would make them less excited? No? Then they are irrelevant.
It’s alarming to me that you pontificate about how most people who buy cards are collectors, and yet you failed to recognize that collecting is very personal while the collector base is diverse. Things like market value, relative rarity, CG vs. hand drawn aren’t crucial factors for many genuine collectors, which was my original point.
How can that be your original point when none of that is in your original post?
Also, you contradict yourself in 2 sentences. Great job gatekeeping with 'genuine collectors'.
And if CG art enables Pokémon to create ultra rares featuring more Pokémon, isn’t that a good thing? If RAs are so numerous that they’re dirt cheap on the secondary market, isn’t that a good thing for players who want to build decks and compete in tournaments? Again, the fanbase is diverse.
CG art doesn't enable anything. They already hand draw or get different styles (clay, weaving etc.) for most common, uncommon, rare and holo cards. There's no reason they can't commission those same artists to do FAs instead of having 5ban+ CGI. What does RA abundance have to do with anything? Don't make up straw men to attack.
If you find the CG RAs to be ugly and hate pulling them because they’re dirt cheap, then that just means these lines of cards aren’t for you. That’s fine, because plenty of kids hate pulling trainer cards which the competitive playerbase cares a lot about. Different cards serve different audiences.
Another straw man. I don't pull anything nor did I comment on RAs being cheap.
It’s one thing to evaluate cards solely on the type of art you like, but to shit on an entire class of cards and go after people as viciously as you went after me for expressing the opposite opinion? I find it especially uncalled for after Pokémon introduced AAs for people such as yourself.
So yes, listening to people like you is grating.
There is literally no problem shitting on a class of cards. It's called an opinion.
You, however did not express an opinion. Let's bring that back, since you keep forgetting what's actually in your post.
Also regular art Vs are bulk-adjacent these days and most end up getting alternate art prints anyway so there’s really no reason to be up in arms about 5ban. I’d escalate from “a little tiring” to “grating” honestly.
So if anyone was attacking anyone, it was you upgrading "a little tiring" to "grating", getting offended for misreading and then creating a slew of straw men to attack. Hope that helps.
