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(1) Top 20 Regionals Cards and Tips
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Bouffalant and Landorus are way too low, and Rayquaza EX is way too high. Meloetta and regular Rayquaza probably shouldn't even be on the list, Meloetta isn't played in a single competitive deck (unless you count one out of every five Ho-Oh lists), and RayEels really is not played enough for regular Rayquaza to be on the list or for Rayquaza EX to be #3. An even weirder thing is that Eelektrik is 3 spots behind Rayquaza EX even though Eelektrik is used in more than twice as many decks.
Really? Rayquaza above Mewtwo? Rayquaza's presence on the list at all? Ho-oh before Landorus? I personally love fighting types, and was hoping to see Terrakion EX and/or Groudon (I think that they're very good, I play them both), but he's the pro, so he should know best... I hope.
Landorus and Bouffalant should be higher. Mewtwo could be even #1 thanks that it is very splashable. It should at least be over Rayquaza EX.
I disagree with several of the placements, but the article is nicely written and laid out, so props the Marty on that.
The only two major things that I disagree with are Bouffalant being so low and Landorus EX being below stuff like Ho-oh and Klinklang. In the case of Bouffalant, it's seen much more success than Garbodor, and Landorus EX fundamentally changed the way the format looks and has been a huge success at cities, much more than Ho-oh and Klinklang have.
For the most part, despite the fact that I don't like the placements, I agree that these are the Top 20. Garbodor, Meloetta, and Rayquaza DV are the only ones I say don't deserve to be on it, but as Marty mentions, metagames differ vastly and those three may have done well in his area.
The only two major things that I disagree with are Bouffalant being so low and Landorus EX being below stuff like Ho-oh and Klinklang. In the case of Bouffalant, it's seen much more success than Garbodor, and Landorus EX fundamentally changed the way the format looks and has been a huge success at cities, much more than Ho-oh and Klinklang have.
For the most part, despite the fact that I don't like the placements, I agree that these are the Top 20. Garbodor, Meloetta, and Rayquaza DV are the only ones I say don't deserve to be on it, but as Marty mentions, metagames differ vastly and those three may have done well in his area.
QWERTY DITTO said:
It is certainly not the best Sigilyph counter. Every single tier 1-2 deck has a Sigilyph counter built in. Keldeo has Blastoise. Darkrai has Hydreigon. Landorus has Bouffalant. Etc. The only deck that might need it is Ho-Oh, and as I said, not only is Ho-Oh not popular but Meloetta isn't very needed or played in that either.
Blastoise is arguably the BDIF, with the only other deck that's standing in it's way being Landorus.
edit: boo 4 more people posted while I was writing this.
Other than the obvious Bouffalant screw-up (seriously, Bouff is far too good to be that low on the chart):
17 Zekrom, 16 Rayquaza, 15 Terrakion, 14 Shaymin-EX
...okay, who put Shaymin-EX above those three?
I don't know why Blastoise is 11 if he put Keldeo at 1 (Blastoise is really just fuel for Keldeo, nothing more). Honestly, Mewtwo should be 1 because it is still the biggest threat out there, far above Keldeo - and it's not because Keldeo loses to Mewtwo, but rather it's because every deck runs Mewtwo. (And if they don't, they should, or they need a VERY good reason!)
6 Eelektrik? Hey, as much as I love the little guy, he should be lower on the list. It's becoming increasingly harder to run Eel decks in this format - especially with Landorus EX running around. (Rayquaza EX should also be a tad lower as well, because of that.) Speaking of which, Landorus below Ho-Oh? and Hydreigon? Naw, that's silly.
There's a lot of merit to the article, I'm sure - just so long as you don't pay attention to the order the top 20 is in (because it looks rushed). Just read it as what you should do during Regionals, as well as the 20 cards to look out for. Do not read too far into the ranking or anything.
Other than that, nice read. The 5 tips were really good - especially the 3rd one.
Other than the obvious Bouffalant screw-up (seriously, Bouff is far too good to be that low on the chart):
17 Zekrom, 16 Rayquaza, 15 Terrakion, 14 Shaymin-EX
...okay, who put Shaymin-EX above those three?
I don't know why Blastoise is 11 if he put Keldeo at 1 (Blastoise is really just fuel for Keldeo, nothing more). Honestly, Mewtwo should be 1 because it is still the biggest threat out there, far above Keldeo - and it's not because Keldeo loses to Mewtwo, but rather it's because every deck runs Mewtwo. (And if they don't, they should, or they need a VERY good reason!)
6 Eelektrik? Hey, as much as I love the little guy, he should be lower on the list. It's becoming increasingly harder to run Eel decks in this format - especially with Landorus EX running around. (Rayquaza EX should also be a tad lower as well, because of that.) Speaking of which, Landorus below Ho-Oh? and Hydreigon? Naw, that's silly.
There's a lot of merit to the article, I'm sure - just so long as you don't pay attention to the order the top 20 is in (because it looks rushed). Just read it as what you should do during Regionals, as well as the 20 cards to look out for. Do not read too far into the ranking or anything.
Other than that, nice read. The 5 tips were really good - especially the 3rd one.
I honestly don't agree with Eelektrik so high, especially since Landorus is so popular. Also, Rayquaza shouldn't be so high on this list- It's only playable in RayEels and that deck gets beat up by Landorus, too. Bouffalant shouldn't be so low, either.
Also, what the heck? Meloetta and Rayquaza actually made this list? That's sad, since nobody really plays them anymore.
But either way, the article was very well written and organized. Good job! :]
Also, what the heck? Meloetta and Rayquaza actually made this list? That's sad, since nobody really plays them anymore.
But either way, the article was very well written and organized. Good job! :]
I am super hyped many took the time to read this and having a debate spark from the rankings is even cooler. I knew the task was going to come with people who disagree, and thats great. Buffalo was a huge part of my last Regionals deck when I ran Terrak City. Believe me, I know what Buffalo is capable of. We are now in a one shot knock out metagame. Max Potion makes it very difficult to knock out anything in two hits, and Buffalo suffers here due to it. Rayquaza is the play in my opinion since you one hit knock out the Pokemon Hydreigon and Klingklang will run. This is why I included my personal list for Ray/Eels 
I don't agree with some of the placements. (IMO Mewtwo should be #1 and Landorus should at least crack Top 5) But the article itself is well written and the tips regarding how you handle Regionals are a nice addition. A tip or two also against stackers is when you shuffle his/her deck, just don't shuffle it half-heartedly, perform different shuffles such as combine and pile.
I also judge tourneys and it is true that we are only human and can make mistakes. It is very true that making a Hollywood scene out of it is just disgusting and insulting to the event staff working so hard to give the players the event.
I also judge tourneys and it is true that we are only human and can make mistakes. It is very true that making a Hollywood scene out of it is just disgusting and insulting to the event staff working so hard to give the players the event.
Infinity said:
^This
also I'm also laughing at the fact that Shaymin made that list at all. Let alone above Bouffalant.
I am also disappointed that no trainers made that list. Even though the list says Top 20 Pokemon Cards, I still think Catcher and Computer Search deserve to be on there before cards like Meloetta and Shaymin do. (If not N as well.)
Overall though, I have to agree that the article was very well written. Despite the fact that I disagree with the placement of a few cards (Eels, Shaymin, Sableye), I do agree that most of the cards on the last do deserve to actually be on that list. (just in a different order.) So in the end, the cards he'd be writing about would pretty much be the same. The tips towards the end were very nice too.
Because Keldeo can be teched into multiple decks to help safeguard against paralysis and non-retreat stuff like Thudner Wave Tynamo, Stunfisk, or Accelgor, while Blastoise can only be used in 1 deck. (And that one deck is really really good. It's the play, In my honest opinion.)
Marty McFly said:I am super hyped many took the time to read this and having a debate spark from the rankings is even cooler. I knew the task was going to come with people who disagree, and thats great. Buffalo was a huge part of my last Regionals deck when I ran Terrak City. Believe me, I know what Buffalo is capable of. We are now in a one shot knock out metagame. Max Potion makes it very difficult to knock out anything in two hits, and Buffalo suffers here due to it. Rayquaza is the play in my opinion since you one hit knock out the Pokemon Hydreigon and Klingklang will run. This is why I included my personal list for Ray/Eels
Bouffalant has gotten worse, but I think it is still quite good. But this is your opinion after all, and everyone has different thoughts. Overall though, this is quite a great article and I am very glad that you took the time to write it.
TPO3 said:
Well every legit PTCG players know how broken Catcher, Comp Search and especially N are so I don't think he needs to mention them anymore in the slots.
I find this list very inaccurate AND bad! Zekrom and normal Rayquaza should not be on this list! Also, why do you even think this is good info since he is banned? Sure he has accomplishments, but he doesn't know what deserves what spot on this list due to the fact that he probably doesn't even care since he isn't playing anyway...
Daddy said:
I'm open to challenges if you feel superior to a player with a National Championship and five regional trophies. I did pilot that list I included to a first place recently at Cities. Promo Ray is highly effective as it allows first turn knock out opportunities on Deino and Tynamo. And no, I am not banned.