You were never trading for free *facepalm* To trade back in the old days you needed a LINK CABLE. Or did you all conveniently forget that? It was never "free" but you'r 5-9 year old minds didn't call that extortion-your parents probably did though lol. Then you needed a wireless adapter-that upped the cost of buying Fire Red/Leaf Green. With the advent of D/P you needed to pay for internet access or a router to get Wifi because they encrypted though WEP... *facedesks*
(1) X/Y Pokemon Direct [9/4]
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I saw this earlier today but I'm only commenting now...
So, I woke up excited knowing there would be Pokémon news today... Well, I wasn't very surprised as I knew there was a chance they would reveal Mega Kanto Starters as it's a popular subject and while it's nice to know I'll be able to keep transfering my old pokémon, that's not that big of a thing.
Still, few news is better than no news as I was anxious to see how Mega Charizard would look like... I had been fantasizing for weeks about it so this is the best thing they could have revealed.
First things first. Pokémon Bank and Transporter. I belive it is quite convenient and useful. When thinking about how they would make us transfer Gen V pokémon, I thought it would be something like this. An app that lets store the pokémon temporarily on some server, then switch the Gen 5 game for the Gen 6 game and download the Pokémon to the new game. I don't think I'll use the cloud storage much as I perfer to keep my Pokémon in the game card but I'll definitely use the transfer utility a lot. Plus, the fact it can be used for various copies means I'll be able to get all starters and anything else that we can only get one-out-of-[some number] without having to trade or get the other game and a 2nd 3DS. Or I'll be able to play the game with a team, save the pokémon in the bank, reset to play again with another team and still have the old one. It's amazing and looks promising. Some people are like freaking out about the paying fee but really, it's only 5$ (I imagine it'll be 5€ here) per year, so it's not that bad.
Mega Kanto Starters.
It'd be an offense if they didn't made Mega evos for these 3.
I'll say right away I like all 3 of them. They all look very cool, even better than their original looks and I'm not disappointed with their designs.
Mega Venusaur is the only one that change both in height and weight, which is strange for the other two. I like how the plant now has grown more branches of leaves and has visible vines in there. The flower on its head doesn't bother me at all and I don't know if its its new Sugimori art but its face doesn't look as ugly as normal Venusaur. Thick Fat is a good ability for it, losing two of its weaknesses and the increase in the defenses sure means Venusaur will be an offensive tank.
When I look at Mega Blastoise, all I think is "Cannons... Cannons everywhere...". But not in a bad sense. Blastoise was always my least favorite Kanto starter but Mega Blastoise looks really good. That huge cannon on its back is freakin' boss, and together with the other two cannons on its arms, it looks like some war destruction machine. It would be even cooler if it got a Steel type. Venusaur with Thick Fat loses its Fire weakness. Charizard with Drought negates the water weakness. Not only the Steel-type would match its cannons, it would remove its Grass weakness. I still don't fully understand the point of its ability. I don't believe Mega Launcher only boosts -Pulse moves as it would be very limiting and would be a waste on Blastoise as it only learns Water Pulse out of all of those moves. I believe it also boosts attacks like Hydro Pump and Flash Cannon as the ability is called Mega Launcher, so projectile attacks may get a boost too.
Last but certainly not least... I was worried that they could have screwed up Charizard and I admit, when I first saw the Mega, while I didn't have a bad reaction, I thought "Is it just this?"... Cause I think I was expecting a more radical and complex design. But looking more carefully at the design, paying attention to each new detail, now I think it was a better decision to keep the design simple and familiar. I can say with no doubt that Mega Charizard looks absolutely AWESOME, even beautifully EPIC!
Like I said above, they actually managed to make it look even cooler than it was before. It no longer has that chubby belly, the third horn is an expected progression on its line, its wings don't look as stylized as its regular wings, they look more natural, the cream underbody now goes up until its lower jaw giving to its head more variation in color. Finally, it has those wing-like appendages, that indeed look quite similar to White Kyurem's wing, which combined with its sleeker overall body, give it a more aerodynamic appearance.
Unfortunaly for me, I can't express how much I'm disappointed that they didn't change Mega Charizard to a Fire/Dragon type. Actually I could but I'd probably ended up banned for the rant so I won't do it. Honestly, I never had real expectations of them changing it to a Dragon-type. For some reason, GF decided to be traditional and not change types of already dual-typed pokémon (even though they did it with Rotom's forms, of which Mega Evolution is not much different than). Don't expect a Fairy/Flying Togekiss... Apparently they think the lighthouse sheep deserves the Dragon-type more than the european dragon that after Mega evolving, was also designed in a way that looks even more draconic than it already was. Charizard will still have to deal with that dreaded 4x weakness to (Stealth) Rock which saddens me. Like someone said, one of the reasons they kept its Flying-type may also be the Sky Battles.
On the plus side, not only it will get a much needed increase in Sp. Atk, it also gets Drought! It really feels like they're evolving Charizard as with the advent of Hidden abilities in Gen 5, they gave Solar Power to Charizard, a sun-abusing ability and now, in Gen 6 they're giving it the ability to bring the sun in itself. Like I said above, with Drought, Charizard loses its Water weakness (at least, until another weather inducer comes into play) which compensates for the lack of the Dragon-type (which would have the same effect in that regard). And even with its Rock weakness, I bet Smogon won't let a Mega Weather inducer roaming free in the lower tiers, it will be at least in BL.
Speaking of which, as DNA wondered, I think it's possible they will change the mechanics of abilities so this switch-in type of abilities activate when the Pokémon Mega evolves, otherwise, it would be counter-productive to give such abilites to Mega Pokémon like Charizard with Drought and Absol with Magic Bounce.
Well, now that's confirmed we'll get a Kanto starter during game-play, I don't know what to do. I've always wanted to use Charizard on an in-game team cause I never had the chance to buy the Gen I games and their remakes. But I've already decided to choose Fennekin as my starter cause it's the only one I like for real. Even if I do what I said and play one time, send the pokémon to the Bank and then reset the game to play again and choose a different starter, I still want to end up with Fennekin and Charmander as my main and final choices of both starter groups... I'll have to wait until the final evos of the Kalos starters are revealed. Maybe I end up liking Chespin's or Froakie's final formes more than Fennekin's...
Btw, apparently, from what I read on Serebii, we receive the Kanto starter in Lumiose City. If the path in the game is the way I think it is, it's mid-early game as I think Lumiose is the third city we visit in the game...
Not to mention, to transfer between gen 4 and 5, you need 2 DS', and for those who don't have any friends that like pokémon, you had to buy another one.... which is what I had to do... well, not specifically to transfer pokémon but I had it in mind too.
So, I woke up excited knowing there would be Pokémon news today... Well, I wasn't very surprised as I knew there was a chance they would reveal Mega Kanto Starters as it's a popular subject and while it's nice to know I'll be able to keep transfering my old pokémon, that's not that big of a thing.
Still, few news is better than no news as I was anxious to see how Mega Charizard would look like... I had been fantasizing for weeks about it so this is the best thing they could have revealed.
First things first. Pokémon Bank and Transporter. I belive it is quite convenient and useful. When thinking about how they would make us transfer Gen V pokémon, I thought it would be something like this. An app that lets store the pokémon temporarily on some server, then switch the Gen 5 game for the Gen 6 game and download the Pokémon to the new game. I don't think I'll use the cloud storage much as I perfer to keep my Pokémon in the game card but I'll definitely use the transfer utility a lot. Plus, the fact it can be used for various copies means I'll be able to get all starters and anything else that we can only get one-out-of-[some number] without having to trade or get the other game and a 2nd 3DS. Or I'll be able to play the game with a team, save the pokémon in the bank, reset to play again with another team and still have the old one. It's amazing and looks promising. Some people are like freaking out about the paying fee but really, it's only 5$ (I imagine it'll be 5€ here) per year, so it's not that bad.
Mega Kanto Starters.
It'd be an offense if they didn't made Mega evos for these 3.
I'll say right away I like all 3 of them. They all look very cool, even better than their original looks and I'm not disappointed with their designs.
Mega Venusaur is the only one that change both in height and weight, which is strange for the other two. I like how the plant now has grown more branches of leaves and has visible vines in there. The flower on its head doesn't bother me at all and I don't know if its its new Sugimori art but its face doesn't look as ugly as normal Venusaur. Thick Fat is a good ability for it, losing two of its weaknesses and the increase in the defenses sure means Venusaur will be an offensive tank.
When I look at Mega Blastoise, all I think is "Cannons... Cannons everywhere...". But not in a bad sense. Blastoise was always my least favorite Kanto starter but Mega Blastoise looks really good. That huge cannon on its back is freakin' boss, and together with the other two cannons on its arms, it looks like some war destruction machine. It would be even cooler if it got a Steel type. Venusaur with Thick Fat loses its Fire weakness. Charizard with Drought negates the water weakness. Not only the Steel-type would match its cannons, it would remove its Grass weakness. I still don't fully understand the point of its ability. I don't believe Mega Launcher only boosts -Pulse moves as it would be very limiting and would be a waste on Blastoise as it only learns Water Pulse out of all of those moves. I believe it also boosts attacks like Hydro Pump and Flash Cannon as the ability is called Mega Launcher, so projectile attacks may get a boost too.
Last but certainly not least... I was worried that they could have screwed up Charizard and I admit, when I first saw the Mega, while I didn't have a bad reaction, I thought "Is it just this?"... Cause I think I was expecting a more radical and complex design. But looking more carefully at the design, paying attention to each new detail, now I think it was a better decision to keep the design simple and familiar. I can say with no doubt that Mega Charizard looks absolutely AWESOME, even beautifully EPIC!
Like I said above, they actually managed to make it look even cooler than it was before. It no longer has that chubby belly, the third horn is an expected progression on its line, its wings don't look as stylized as its regular wings, they look more natural, the cream underbody now goes up until its lower jaw giving to its head more variation in color. Finally, it has those wing-like appendages, that indeed look quite similar to White Kyurem's wing, which combined with its sleeker overall body, give it a more aerodynamic appearance.
Unfortunaly for me, I can't express how much I'm disappointed that they didn't change Mega Charizard to a Fire/Dragon type. Actually I could but I'd probably ended up banned for the rant so I won't do it. Honestly, I never had real expectations of them changing it to a Dragon-type. For some reason, GF decided to be traditional and not change types of already dual-typed pokémon (even though they did it with Rotom's forms, of which Mega Evolution is not much different than). Don't expect a Fairy/Flying Togekiss... Apparently they think the lighthouse sheep deserves the Dragon-type more than the european dragon that after Mega evolving, was also designed in a way that looks even more draconic than it already was. Charizard will still have to deal with that dreaded 4x weakness to (Stealth) Rock which saddens me. Like someone said, one of the reasons they kept its Flying-type may also be the Sky Battles.
On the plus side, not only it will get a much needed increase in Sp. Atk, it also gets Drought! It really feels like they're evolving Charizard as with the advent of Hidden abilities in Gen 5, they gave Solar Power to Charizard, a sun-abusing ability and now, in Gen 6 they're giving it the ability to bring the sun in itself. Like I said above, with Drought, Charizard loses its Water weakness (at least, until another weather inducer comes into play) which compensates for the lack of the Dragon-type (which would have the same effect in that regard). And even with its Rock weakness, I bet Smogon won't let a Mega Weather inducer roaming free in the lower tiers, it will be at least in BL.
Speaking of which, as DNA wondered, I think it's possible they will change the mechanics of abilities so this switch-in type of abilities activate when the Pokémon Mega evolves, otherwise, it would be counter-productive to give such abilites to Mega Pokémon like Charizard with Drought and Absol with Magic Bounce.
Well, now that's confirmed we'll get a Kanto starter during game-play, I don't know what to do. I've always wanted to use Charizard on an in-game team cause I never had the chance to buy the Gen I games and their remakes. But I've already decided to choose Fennekin as my starter cause it's the only one I like for real. Even if I do what I said and play one time, send the pokémon to the Bank and then reset the game to play again and choose a different starter, I still want to end up with Fennekin and Charmander as my main and final choices of both starter groups... I'll have to wait until the final evos of the Kalos starters are revealed. Maybe I end up liking Chespin's or Froakie's final formes more than Fennekin's...
Btw, apparently, from what I read on Serebii, we receive the Kanto starter in Lumiose City. If the path in the game is the way I think it is, it's mid-early game as I think Lumiose is the third city we visit in the game...
Not to mention, to transfer between gen 4 and 5, you need 2 DS', and for those who don't have any friends that like pokémon, you had to buy another one.... which is what I had to do... well, not specifically to transfer pokémon but I had it in mind too.
Metalizard said:
Personally I love the fact he isn't dragon type. My reasoning was he still would have to be first in your party to be any use since he would switch in THEN change forms. He would have a weakness to ground type moves. And lastly he would be weak to FAIRY and DRAGON two types who will always be deadly. So in short it wouldn't benefit him. (I know you didn't care but people read any post that quotes several so this isn't pointed at you metalizard)
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I like all the Kanto Megas, with stark exception for Mega blastoise. Even its Sugimori art looked like an inferior fan-made creation. I realize that Blastoise's simple design limits the changes that could be made, but I was still unhappy. He got a goatee and another cannon. Not a sufficient change for me.
I'm late seeing all the new stuff because my router hates me!
MEGA VENUSAUR - It now has a cheap pink toupee! Um. Good for it.
MEGA CHARIZARD - It now has, um... a prosthetic lower jaw? That thing looks like it'll come flying off if it so much as takes a Tackle to the face!
MEGA BLASTOISE - HOLY SOMETHING, IT'S A TANK! Gee, I wonder which of these three they put the most effort into...
Seriously, if these are all the changes they're making to some of these Mega Evolutions, then it seems silly if they're really only doing a few overall. I know people hate how overdesigned the previous ones were, but at least their designs justified making them a different form (not to be confused with forme) of those Pokémon. Mega Venusaur and Mega Charizard are underwhelming. But Mega Blastoise I like! The mini-shell arm cannons are a cool touch.
MEGA VENUSAUR - It now has a cheap pink toupee! Um. Good for it.
MEGA CHARIZARD - It now has, um... a prosthetic lower jaw? That thing looks like it'll come flying off if it so much as takes a Tackle to the face!
MEGA BLASTOISE - HOLY SOMETHING, IT'S A TANK! Gee, I wonder which of these three they put the most effort into...
Seriously, if these are all the changes they're making to some of these Mega Evolutions, then it seems silly if they're really only doing a few overall. I know people hate how overdesigned the previous ones were, but at least their designs justified making them a different form (not to be confused with forme) of those Pokémon. Mega Venusaur and Mega Charizard are underwhelming. But Mega Blastoise I like! The mini-shell arm cannons are a cool touch.
FennekinWright said:
For me, Mega Evolutions walk a very fine line when it comes to how drastically the designs should be changed. Change them too much and I begin to wonder why they shouldn't just be a full evolution. Change them too little and it can be seen as a pointless thing.
For example, things like Mega Charizard, Mega Venusaur, and Mega Absol make changes to the overall design but you can still see the prior forms in them. To me, they're pretty good examples of what I think of when I think of a temporary evolutionary change. Something like Mega Mawile, though, feels like it should be an evolution because of how drastic the change is (and not just because Mawile is a Basic as-is). Mega Kangaskhan doesn't change quite enough for me, and it feels like there could have been more to it. (Depending on the backstory of its evolution, I guess - if it just uses the stone on its child as the design may suggest, then that'd be pretty neat.)
In the end, I like all of the Mega Evolutions but there have only been a few that really fit into that threshold of "yes, that looks just right - not too much, and not too little," at least for me.
zappy800 said:
Actually, as I said once, Charizard would be one of the few Dragon-types not weak to Fairy due to it also being a Fire-type, which is already confirmed that resists Fairy...
Also, while Drought is cool, if Charizard were to be changed to Fire/Dragon, I'd prefer its ability to be Levitate...
^hmm... A Ground immunity which includes immunity to Spikes and Toxic Spikes?... Sounds really good to me. Plus, who uses Gravity and Smackdown anyway?
Also, like I said in my post, if Charizard was part Dragon, it wouldn't be weak to Water anyway...
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btw,
Don't know if guys noticed it but I remember a while ago, when Mega Pokémon were first revealed, people commenting on how some of them resembled or had parts of their bodies that resembled the letters X and Y.
It seems these three continue that pattern...
Charizard, with its wing-like appendages on its arms form an X in relation to its wings, as can be seen in this image:
Blastoise, form a Y in its face with its thick eyebrows and "goatee".
Venusaur could be interpreted in either way. You can see a Y with its new braches of leaves going down to the rest of its body or if you look at it in the same way as Xerneas (as they're both quadruped) with the branches forming a X in conjunction with its legs... sort of...
Also, like I said in my post, if Charizard was part Dragon, it wouldn't be weak to Water anyway...
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btw,
Don't know if guys noticed it but I remember a while ago, when Mega Pokémon were first revealed, people commenting on how some of them resembled or had parts of their bodies that resembled the letters X and Y.
It seems these three continue that pattern...
Charizard, with its wing-like appendages on its arms form an X in relation to its wings, as can be seen in this image:
Venusaur could be interpreted in either way. You can see a Y with its new braches of leaves going down to the rest of its body or if you look at it in the same way as Xerneas (as they're both quadruped) with the branches forming a X in conjunction with its legs... sort of...
Metalizard said:
You make good points on giving Blastoise a Steel type and making Charizard a Fire/Dragon type. Of course, I doubt they would change the types now, even when they are listening to the Internet. After all, they were capable of giving Pokédex 3D-quality graphics but they stuck to these lower resolutions, even when they had months for changing their graphics infrastructure. Why would they give the Mega Evolutions more typing? (Of course, Ampharos' new typing is justified due to its name being literally 'Thunder Dragon' in the original Nipponese. That is the reason why Lance used one.
...then again, I now wish for a Rock/Dragon Aerodactyl and Water/Dragon Gyarados...)
Metalizard said:^hmm... A Ground immunity which includes immunity to Spikes and Toxic Spikes?... Sounds really good to me. Plus, who uses Gravity and Smackdown anyway?
Also, like I said in my post, if Charizard was part Dragon, it wouldn't be weak to Water anyway...
------------------
btw,
Don't know if guys noticed it but I remember a while ago, when Mega Pokémon were first revealed, people commenting on how some of them resembled or had parts of their bodies that resembled the letters X and Y.
It seems these three continue that pattern...
Charizard, with its wing-like appendages on its arms form an X in relation to its wings, as can be seen in this image:
Blastoise, form a Y in its face with its thick eyebrows and "goatee".
Venusaur could be interpreted in either way. You can see a Y with its new braches of leaves going down to the rest of its body or if you look at it in the same way as Xerneas (as they're both quadruped) with the branches forming a X in conjunction with its legs... sort of...
The two trees and the new leaves on Mega Venusaur's sides kind of make an X: http://i.imgur.com/841AhjS.jpg
The two trees forming Y, sort of: http://i.imgur.com/JNOcWC4.jpg
Mega Charizard's larger wings and arm wings making an X: http://i.imgur.com/fD8dMMD.jpg
Mega Blastoise's new facial structure making a Y: http://i.imgur.com/gKyJBBh.jpg
All of this could be purely coincidence, though it's always fun to speculate.
I dunno about the whole hiding X's and Y's in the Pokemon designs thing. It just seems sorta like people are looking for something that isnt really there... I mean yeah you can sometimes see it, but only because you squinted, tilted your head, or looked hard enough to imagine it part of the time in my opinion. And then the pokemon has to be in a specific pose to make it work.
I don't know, it just seems weird to me.
I don't know, it just seems weird to me.
Zielo said:
Yes, apophenia (seeing meaning or patterns where neither exist) is seemingly contagious.
I was just pointing out how their designs could possibly incorporate those letters.
Kalyst said:
So you're saying it's okay to pay even further on top of what we already have in order to transfer Pokemon?
I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but people who wanted to migrate their Pokemon up (from Gen 4 to Gen 5) either got a 2nd DS system, or got together with a friend who had their own DS, and did some migrating. (From 3 to 4, you just needed the one system.) I fall into the former category, but even so, why does that even matter?
Needing 2 DS systems to migrate from Gen 4 to Gen 5 was just a necessary evil. There was no other economical way to do it at the time. It wasn't too tedious - it required only a teensy bit more effort than the GBA -> DS dongle method. Granted, getting an extra DS was pretty pricy, but if you were one of the kind who bought his or her own, you were going to use it a lot anyway for tradebacks and stuff. I did that in Gen 4 a lot.
But who cares, that's not the point.
The point is they could easily make a tiny bit of the service free, the part we've been doing at little to no cost anyway. It is not that hard to do. You can easily let players have access to the transfer feature, that's already been ingrained into the game anyway, and do it for free. Then you can pay for the cloud storage. That's fair.
Gen 6 is introducing a very horrible and unnecessary trend: paid DLC. I've always been against the thought of paid DLC for any game, even more so for newcomers, because it essentially forces them to pay more to get features out of the game that shouldn't cost extra.
tl;dr:
I'm wondering how long I can go before I get pushed over the edge and say "Screw everything, that's it; I quit Pokemon". I fear that day is approaching fast. I hope it never does, but now I'm actually weighing that possibility, and this DLC is the cause of it.
I was hoping they might do something like this for Global Link... but I'm just happy I won't have to worry about not being able to move pokemon from black (2) and white (2) up to the new games.
My only qualm with bank (aside from the annual fee and it better be dirt cheep like it is in Japan (or at the very least relatively cheap), otherwise I'ma be VERY pissed. No more than $15 maybe $20 because we ARE a bigger country than Japan is.)
As for the Mega Evolutions: I wanna know if the other Hoenn starters will get mega evolutions also. I'd also LOVE to see a Mega Typhlosion! And if they do mega evolutions of the Johto Starters I'm calling it RIGHT HERE: Feraligatr will have Drizzle!
Kinda disappointed Mega Venusaur doesn't have Chlorophyll but Thick fat means that it essentially only has 2 weaknesses now! Absolutely AMAZING! I'm curious if the Kanto Starters that Sycamore gives you will have their hidden abilities or not.
My only qualm with bank (aside from the annual fee and it better be dirt cheep like it is in Japan (or at the very least relatively cheap), otherwise I'ma be VERY pissed. No more than $15 maybe $20 because we ARE a bigger country than Japan is.)
As for the Mega Evolutions: I wanna know if the other Hoenn starters will get mega evolutions also. I'd also LOVE to see a Mega Typhlosion! And if they do mega evolutions of the Johto Starters I'm calling it RIGHT HERE: Feraligatr will have Drizzle!
Kinda disappointed Mega Venusaur doesn't have Chlorophyll but Thick fat means that it essentially only has 2 weaknesses now! Absolutely AMAZING! I'm curious if the Kanto Starters that Sycamore gives you will have their hidden abilities or not.
Box and Ranch were "free" in their day, and they were also storing Pokémon. You just had to buy the game (and the console if you did not have) and failed to pay anymore. I would have preferred they had released a CD to the computer with the bank, and that the acquisition of Banco Pokémon was webshop payment (e-shop). At least, there would be no annual fee.
Game Freak hate this. It is getting into the sack of capitalism, or so at least I think the intention.
Game Freak hate this. It is getting into the sack of capitalism, or so at least I think the intention.