#15: Euthanasia

omahanime said:
I saw a story years ago. A man in his forties, used to play all type of sports. He came down A.L.S. He was confined to a wheelchair, he couldn't do anything for himself. His quality of life was gone. He had no hope of improvement. On camera he begged for someone to help him die.
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But this is different. This man chose to live like this and he knew the consequences, if he ever would end up living in a wheelchair he wouldn't have ''much'' anymore. But still he would have family and friends around him. And doesn't the government give them money if they can't work anymore? At least in the Netherlands they do. But this was his choice... People with Alzheimer for example couldn't chose to live like this, well he neither, but he is still able to think normally and having a clear mind.
 
No. Killing is evil even though people request it from someone. I think it's messed up. People should move on with their lives even though they may be in a sad condition. Make the most out of it.
 
Euthanasia should be legal at the persons request, albeit after a psychological/medical review to determine whether the person is capable of making a free willed decision, rather than one by a mental instability.
 
You do realize that there do exist such situations where animals would have been put to sleep instantly but strangely humans are left alive, right?

Say, you have an accident. You wake up, lying in a bed, incapable of doing anything. You can't talk and there are all sorts of tubes stuck in your body. A doctor appears and sees you are awake and tells you that you are a vegetable and there is no hope for recovery and that all your close relatives died in the accident. Day in day out, you see the same parts of your room. You can't converse with the world around as everything is out of touch. How can you not want to pull the plug?

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Say, you are a sporter. Doing sports is your whole life. Being able to move makes you feel like you can take on the world, so wonderful as it is. Then, by reason unown, you move your arms and legs, despite having lived an extremely healthy life. No more doing the things that 'kept you alive', no more feeling the rush of being able to move, you completely lost the capacity to without any hope of recovery. You are jealous of all your sport friends that still can walk and you find it utterly glaring and painful that you can't compared to them and all the memories of moving suddenly have become excruciatingly painful. It is for you, unacceptable and therefor you beg to end it but no one replies.
 
afstandopleren said:
You do realize that there do exist such situations where animals would have been put to sleep instantly but strangely humans are left alive, right?

Say, you have an accident. You wake up, lying in a bed, incapable of doing anything. You can't talk and there are all sorts of tubes stuck in your body. A doctor appears and sees you are awake and tells you that you are a vegetable and there is no hope for recovery and that all your close relatives died in the accident. Day in day out, you see the same parts of your room. You can't converse with the world around as everything is out of touch. How can you not want to pull the plug?

OR

Say, you are a sporter. Doing sports is your whole life. Being able to move makes you feel like you can take on the world, so wonderful as it is. Then, by reason unown, you move your arms and legs, despite having lived an extremely healthy life. No more doing the things that 'kept you alive', no more feeling the rush of being able to move, you completely lost the capacity to without any hope of recovery. You are jealous of all your sport friends that still can walk and you find it utterly glaring and painful that you can't compared to them and all the memories of moving suddenly have become excruciatingly painful. It is for you, unacceptable and therefor you beg to end it but no one replies.
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There's a difference between an animal and a human being. We have souls. Just saying...
 
I know we have souls, maybe animals do to but to a lesser extend, but we should treat everyone and everything the same way we want to be treated. Soul or not, the named situations are ones you don't want to be in. Yet it happens without a clear reason to justify the suffering that follows by not 'killing it off'.
 
afstandopleren said:
I know we have souls, maybe animals do to but to a lesser extend, but we should treat everyone and everything the same way we want to be treated. Soul or not, the named situations are ones you don't want to be in. Yet it happens without a clear reason to justify the suffering that follows by not 'killing it off'.
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I once accidently stepped on a lizard.
My mum said, "Since you stepped on the lizard already, kill it to prevent it's suffering."

I was kinda shocked. So I asked her, "If a man's health is in terrible condition, like 'Stephen Hawking,' should people kill him?"

"People have souls, animals don't- that's what makes us different. That's what gives us guilt when we do wrong."

I don't think animals have souls, they would know that killing other animals or hurting human-beings would be wrong if they did. I do know they have instinct though.
 
kawaii_Mew said:
I once accidently stepped on a lizard.
My mum said, "Since you stepped on the lizard already, kill it to prevent it's suffering."

I was kinda shocked. So I asked her, "If a man's health is in terrible condition, like 'Stephen Hawking,' should people kill him?"

"People have souls, animals don't- that's what makes us different. That's what gives us guilt when we do wrong."

I don't think animals have souls, they would know that killing other animals or hurting human-beings would be wrong if they did. I do know they have instinct though.
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If you look back at the soul topiuc lots of people said a soul was emotions or doesnt exist wich makes animals exactly like humans because animals have emotions.Technically humans are animals. I am an animal and proud of it.
 
kawaii_Mew said:
There's a difference between an animal and a human being. We have souls. Just saying...
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Care to define what exactly a soul is, then?

And also care to explain why Homo sapiens are the only animals with souls?
 
kawaii_Mew said:
No. Killing is evil even though people request it from someone. I think it's messed up. People should move on with their lives even though they may be in a sad condition. Make the most out of it.
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For example, what if you were in such condition? If you weren't able to move and communicate anymore, like the example of afstandopleren. And if you wanted to die, but no the doctors refused it and chose to let you live another 60/70 years in that condition? Would you like that? Well I know most persons won't, it's their choice, if they chose to die we shouldn't refuse it.

And killing is evil? Animals got killed every day? Do you call a cat evil?

kawaii_Mew said:
I once accidently stepped on a lizard.
My mum said, "Since you stepped on the lizard already, kill it to prevent it's suffering."

I was kinda shocked. So I asked her, "If a man's health is in terrible condition, like 'Stephen Hawking,' should people kill him?"

"People have souls, animals don't- that's what makes us different. That's what gives us guilt when we do wrong."

I don't think animals have souls, they would know that killing other animals or hurting human-beings would be wrong if they did. I do know they have instinct though.
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Uhm... soul? You call it a soul. First of all, you don't know what an animal feels, just because the ''bible'' says it doesn't have a ''soul'' it doesn't have to be true.

And what do you call a soul? We are just a body, with brains and capable of moving, and our brains provide us emotion, instinct and other features like recognizing ourselves for example. We do have a lot of these features and most animals do miss some. That's what makes them less ''smart'' or without ''soul'' to say it in your way.

xanaseviper said:
If you look back at the soul topiuc lots of people said a soul was emotions or doesnt exist wich makes animals exactly like humans because animals have emotions.Technically humans are animals. I am an animal and proud of it.
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Technically? Well I think we're allowed to say we ARE animals. Only animals who discovered something called ''religion'' to refuse to call ourselves animals and see ourselves as superior (otherwise we wouldn't make difference between ''us'' and ''animals'').
 
Another philosophical one, and I guess its a toughy.

At the end of the day, its a persons choice what they do with their life, and if they ask you to kill them then thats what they want. Its for the person who has been asked to determine whether it is right.

I don't think it should be legalised because murderers could get away with crime because of a technicality. Things like claming a person asked them to kill them. You can't prove the person did or didn't ask them, so all murderous could have an aliby.

If a person wants to die, they should kill themseleves. Its wrong ot involve another person.

BTW: We seemed to be talking only about mediacal circumstances, euthanasia couild just be asisted suicide, no?
 
its should not be legl because if someon efeels the need to die they obviosly have some sort of mental illness.
btw i lolled so hard at your user title.
ive got it written on my card trooper.
 
To save this from becoming yet another religous argument, I request that people do not use the existence of the soul in their points.
 
Krucifier said:
Euthanasia should be legal at the persons request, albeit after a psychological/medical review to determine whether the person is capable of making a free willed decision, rather than one by a mental instability.
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I agree with this. If they want to die, they are in pain, and arent loony beyond all belief, lets take these people out of our misery.

-Black Rayquaza
 
DarthPika said:
Look. It comes down to this. Any perfectly sane person would not want to die.
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Also not if you were in extreme suffer and pain? There are several cases you could be better dead than alive... and where you wished you were dead...
 
Any Darth Pika like person would not want to die when in excruciating pain and having no hope for a cure.
 
I don't think it's a problem, since I personally don't want to live if I have no idea who I am, where I am, and am forced to wear adult diapers. If someone is extremely sick with no chance of recovery and slowly wasting away, why should we allow them to suffer?

As an example, one of my dogs, Chuck, a Shih Tzu, was put down a few weeks ago. He was basically senile, had fleas that wouldn't go away no matter what we did, and going blind and deaf. When my dad took him to the vet, the vet said he'd be completely bind and deaf within a month if we hadn't put him down. I don't see this as cruel at all, when we found him in a park after running away from his home, he had a big shock collar on him. When we contacted the owner, she said she didn't care about him, but she wanted the shock collar back. Compared to what his life was like with her, we gave him a good life, and it would've been cruel to keep him alive.

And yes, if I were in his situation, I'd rather be put out of my misery than kept alive for no reason other than a bunch of activists who never met me say it's immoral. Honestly, what gives them the right to make my decision for me?
 
scampy said:
To save this from becoming yet another religous argument, I request that people do not use the existence of the soul in their points.
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I'm just saying it is going to be hard to keep the discussion live and so on if we do not go into religious depths. If someone is against euthanasia, most of the time its the whole you cannot take a life/soul issue, so its going to be a one sided discussion IMO if you put restrictions. I do understand you don't want another religious debate surrounding an issue but it seems it conquers almost all your discussions xD
 
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