Do you guys think there might be a Mid-Season Rotation to HGSS-On to match Japan's current Modified format here in the U.S. due to the new rule changes in Black & White?
A Mid-Season Rotation?
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No, metagames will go haywire if suddenly 7 sets just get rotated out. (MD, LA, SF, PL, RR, SV, AR) A mid-season rotation defeats the whole point of a build-up to the following Nationals/Worlds, and with only 4 sets left in English, you wouldn't expect much variety in competitions if there was such a rotation (coughdonphan)
Yeah but think of the alternatives, we won't have to deal with SP's anymore and our metagame would be the same as in Japan. Sure there's going to be alot of people upset about all this but it would be a nice change of pace for the game If it were to happen.
SP's are so good that only 4 SP decks made the top cut at my local BR's this year while Stage 2 decks among others didn't make it at all because of the loss of Roseanne's Research and Claydol GE last format. There was no way to keep up to that speed unless you ran Charizard but even then SP's still countered Ninetales with
Power Spray.
Now compare that to the last 2 seasons being DP-On and the decks that made the top cut at BR's and other events were Stage 2 Evo decks not just SP's because we still had Roseanne's and Claydol in the format to keep up with SP's. See a problem here?
That tells me the current metagame has gotten stagnant in competitive play and power creep. To be honest I think SP's were a huge mistake to develop and design akin to Affinity in Magic: The Gathering where we had Arcbound Ravager, Skullclamp, Disciple of the Vault, and of course the Artifact Lands.
The way I see it If we do a Mid-Season cut from Majestic Dawn-On straight towards
HeartGold/SoulSilver-On before Worlds 2011, I'd mainly see Tyranitar Prime/Umbreon, Blastigatr, and a few other decks being the top decks of the metagame while Japan has the advantage with LostGar decks since they're able to play Gengar Prime and Mew Prime better than we can cause the cards we were expecting to be in HS Triumphant got cut permanently.
SP's are so good that only 4 SP decks made the top cut at my local BR's this year while Stage 2 decks among others didn't make it at all because of the loss of Roseanne's Research and Claydol GE last format. There was no way to keep up to that speed unless you ran Charizard but even then SP's still countered Ninetales with
Power Spray.
Now compare that to the last 2 seasons being DP-On and the decks that made the top cut at BR's and other events were Stage 2 Evo decks not just SP's because we still had Roseanne's and Claydol in the format to keep up with SP's. See a problem here?
That tells me the current metagame has gotten stagnant in competitive play and power creep. To be honest I think SP's were a huge mistake to develop and design akin to Affinity in Magic: The Gathering where we had Arcbound Ravager, Skullclamp, Disciple of the Vault, and of course the Artifact Lands.
The way I see it If we do a Mid-Season cut from Majestic Dawn-On straight towards
HeartGold/SoulSilver-On before Worlds 2011, I'd mainly see Tyranitar Prime/Umbreon, Blastigatr, and a few other decks being the top decks of the metagame while Japan has the advantage with LostGar decks since they're able to play Gengar Prime and Mew Prime better than we can cause the cards we were expecting to be in HS Triumphant got cut permanently.
Ok heres the 1 thing that really ticks me off the most. Its that dumb stupid new rare candy rule and trainers first thing. You know what, i just hate mostly all the new changes theyre "going" to make. Really if it's MD-on when black and white SP's will dominate even more with evolutions having to deal with that dumb stupid new rare candy rule and SP's being able to use poke turn and sp radar on there first freakin turn (cmon nintendo, really?!). But if it's HGSS-on then i just lost alot of sets and that makes rotation in-consistent and un-promising heck arcues hasnt even been out for a year yet and there already talking about its rotation. You know i was perfectly fine with 4 sets out 4 sets in a year thing. But black and white is just going to screw alot things over. I hopr pokemon play deals with this with the players in mind.
well why not just not apply the rules until the end of the season?? would that happen?? Cuz they are pretty much screwing all our decks up with this new rare candy rule if it applies with this format. Goodbye my sweet jumpluff, ill have to make it vilepluff lol. Atleast my vilegar will still be good
No, because from everything POP has done the past two seasons, they are trying to gain consistency with the rotations. I highly doubt we would be slammed with a mid-season rotation like Japan was.
I personally think that after Worlds, the format will be RR-on and these new rules will be applied for next season.
I personally think that after Worlds, the format will be RR-on and these new rules will be applied for next season.
Well im pretty sure its going to be riseing rivals in the next rotation so i think riseing rivals on will do just fine with the new rules.
I would prefer Rising Rivals-On over HGSS or Majestic Dawn-On to be honest, that gets rid of SP's and makes for a more balanced format with a slightly bigger card pool than Japan currently has with their Modified format. I don't know why we ended up with MD-On in the first place. Oh that's right to keep
Call Energy, Warp Point, Uxie LA, Luxury Ball, among other semi-staple cards.
There's alot of explaining PUSA and TPCi needs to do regarding these new rulings on Black & White. The reasons for all these rulings and changes to the game is to try to decrease the game's speed and power creep but to also decrease the amount of donks in the game despite BTS and x2 Weakness not helping.
The problem is that they're doing it the wrong way as it favors Japan more than us, I'm fine with the Rare Candy errata but what really irks me is that Stadiums and Supporters now count as Trainer cards being negation targets for Spiritomb AR and Vileplume UD.
Top it off with Poke-Powers and Bodies being condensed to being just an "Ability" and that's going to cause alot of hysteria and confusion with the Platinum cards. It would only make sense for these rulings to apply with an RR-On format instead of MD-On. Bad enough that with these rule changes the game would be won on turn 1 and Shuppet/Dunsparce decks would most likely win on Turn 1 as well.
Call Energy, Warp Point, Uxie LA, Luxury Ball, among other semi-staple cards.
There's alot of explaining PUSA and TPCi needs to do regarding these new rulings on Black & White. The reasons for all these rulings and changes to the game is to try to decrease the game's speed and power creep but to also decrease the amount of donks in the game despite BTS and x2 Weakness not helping.
The problem is that they're doing it the wrong way as it favors Japan more than us, I'm fine with the Rare Candy errata but what really irks me is that Stadiums and Supporters now count as Trainer cards being negation targets for Spiritomb AR and Vileplume UD.
Top it off with Poke-Powers and Bodies being condensed to being just an "Ability" and that's going to cause alot of hysteria and confusion with the Platinum cards. It would only make sense for these rulings to apply with an RR-On format instead of MD-On. Bad enough that with these rule changes the game would be won on turn 1 and Shuppet/Dunsparce decks would most likely win on Turn 1 as well.
The problem is that they're doing it the wrong way as it favors Japan more than us, I'm fine with the Rare Candy errata but what really irks me is that Stadiums and Supporters now count as Trainer cards being negation targets for Spiritomb AR and Vileplume UD.
That's wrong. Supporters and Stadiums were always Trainers, not Trainer Cards. This will stay the same.
That's wrong. Supporters and Stadiums were always Trainers, not Trainer Cards. This will stay the same.
^Although, in the pre DP era, "trainer lock" cards would state in the text that supporters where exempt. Crobat from Delta Species is an example of this.
If anything, I think they would errata cards like Vileplume and Spiritomb to reflect this difference.
Of course, the above might be a moo point because we might not see those changes stateside. Remember that when HGSS came out, they changed trainers to goods in Japan, but they didn't to that here.
If anything, I think they would errata cards like Vileplume and Spiritomb to reflect this difference.
Of course, the above might be a moo point because we might not see those changes stateside. Remember that when HGSS came out, they changed trainers to goods in Japan, but they didn't to that here.
I beg to differ that SP decks are the only things that TC. According to teh Pokegym what won BRs thread half the decks were S2 while the other half were SP so look at the facts before you go off spouting crap that isnt true.
VileGar had some good results, I heard Gyara had some good results, Donphan, Machamp, etc.
I've feared Gengar SF with Vileplume more than SP, ever. I think the SP cards are some of the best ideas, the only problem being that they only applied to themselves. Power Spray brings in a new edge in the game as the first Trainer card to be played during your opponent's turn instead, unfortunately it only worked for SP. Poketurn is a bit too much though, because it's just an auto-heads Super Scoop Up.