RSE/FRLG A Third Generation remake?

[Fennex]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

In what way are HGSS supposed to be remakes of FRLG ???

GSC/HGSS on the one hand and RBY/FRLG on the other hand have different plots, different protagonists, the latter are set three years prior. HGSS are in no way remakes of FRLG (playing as Red? Kanto Team Rocket plot (Celadon Game Corner, Silph Co, Pokemon tower)? Sevii Islands?)

I admit, that GSC (working title Pokemon 2) has more of a RBY sequel (and thus HGSS of a FRLG sequel) than other back-to-back games have, except for BW and BW2, but they are in every aspect separate generations after all, and not an original game and its remake.

 

[MarekTheGamer2000]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

In what way are HGSS supposed to be remakes of FRLG ???

GSC/HGSS on the one hand and RBY/FRLG on the other hand have different plots, different protagonists, the latter are set three years prior. HGSS are in no way remakes of FRLG (playing as Red? Kanto Team Rocket plot (Celadon Game Corner, Silph Co, Pokemon tower)? Sevii Islands?)

I admit, that GSC (working title Pokemon 2) has more of a RBY sequel (and thus HGSS of a FRLG sequel) than other back-to-back games have, except for BW and BW2, but they are in every aspect separate generations after all, and not an original game and its remake.

beacose you can access the region, and do all the stuff you can do in FireRed and LeafGreen.

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mainly almost all the stuff

 

[Fennex]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

No, you cannot!
Did you read my post? Where is the Team Rocket plot, where are the Sevii Islands, and you transform to Red when you travel to Kanto, right? Kanto was added as post-game region to GSC/HGSS, but you don't follow the original RBY/FRLG plot.

 

[MarekTheGamer2000]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

No, you cannot!
Did you read my post? Where is the Team Rocket plot, where are the Sevii Islands, and you transform to Red when you travel to Kanto, right? Kanto was added as post-game region to GSC/HGSS, but you don't follow the original RBY/FRLG plot.

Dude, what i meant is that you can catch all the pokemon, defeat the gym leaders, DO THE ESSENTIAL, i doesnt really have to have the villain team to finish it, nor other stuff.

 

[Fennex]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

I think the main story is THE ESSENTIAL of a game, so I fail to see how merely the post-game presence of a region justifies the classification as a remake (with HGSS offering a thinned out plot compared to what you could do in the Kanto of FRLG, not to mention that you could play trough the Kanto of GSC in 3 hrs or so).

FRLG are obvious remakes of RBY and HGSS are obvious remakes of GSC, so where's the problem?

 

[MarekTheGamer2000]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

I think the main story is THE ESSENTIAL of a game, so I fail to see how merely the post-game presence of a region justifies the classification as a remake (with HGSS offering a thinned out plot compared to what you could do in the Kanto of FRLG, not to mention that you could play trough the Kanto of GSC in 3 hrs or so).

FRLG are obvious remakes of RBY and HGSS are obvious remakes of GSC, so where's the problem?

I know the story is one of the essentials, but the MAIN essential for me, is the gameplay; Beat all gym leaders, then elite four, then catch alll pokemon, then all legendaries.

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I think the main story is THE ESSENTIAL of a game, so I fail to see how merely the post-game presence of a region justifies the classification as a remake (with HGSS offering a thinned out plot compared to what you could do in the Kanto of FRLG, not to mention that you could play trough the Kanto of GSC in 3 hrs or so).

FRLG are obvious remakes of RBY and HGSS are obvious remakes of GSC, so where's the problem?

I know the story is one of the essentials, but the MAIN essential for me, is the gameplay; Beat all gym leaders, then elite four, then catch alll pokemon, then all legendaries.

lets just end this here, you win

 

[Their Goominess]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

The main reason these games were remade were to make the Pokemon in the games more accessible. e.g. iirc Lugia and Ho-Oh were events in FRLG. Same with the starters; there was no way to get the Gen.1 starters in Gen.3 (unless there was some event I don't know about), or the Legendary Birds.
Also, there was only one way to get the Johto starters in Emerald; you had to catch every Pokemon in the Regional Dex and even then you only got one of the starters.

So for evidence for a remake we have:
-The most recent games Groudon, Ho-Oh & Rayquaza have been in were HG/SS (excluding events) and not being available in B/W/2 at all
-The starters, again, having been most recent in HG/SS (excluding events)
-Only region not having been playable on the (3)DS
-the X and Y logos are blue and red so r/s/e remakes confirmed

However, the fact that the Latis and Regis were in B2/W2 might mean that Groudon & Kyogre could be accessible in X & Y (unlikely, since most version mascots can usually be caught in their respective game; only exception I can think of is the Weather Trio being in HG/SS).

Hence: Remakes were made so we can re-experience the origins of the franchise. It has nothing to do with making pokemon more obtainable, that's just a bonus that comes along, and which could be achieved by a number of ways otherwise.

Although I can't find any evidence to suggest that what you said about the remakes being made due to re-experiencing the origins of the franchise, there's nothing I can find to suggest that they were made to only obtain old Pokemon.
They are also made to bring other Pokemon games up to speed with the current generation of games.
But here's something else:
Most Pokemon are made available in one generation. Gen.3 used an entirely new gaming platform, making any connection with the previous games impossible. They also introduced all those new features.
Therefore, they needed to make all the Kanto/Johto Pokemon that weren't in R/S/E available to please old fans, and to actually make them accessible entirely.
I know that there are legendaries that aren't in B/W/2, but those are made available by having an a relatively easy way to transfer them from HG/SS/D/P/Pt.
Obviously we have no way to know how transferring Pokemon from B/W/2 to X/Y will work (if there is a way at all).
And I know that it could be a point that 'you can transfer your Mudkip from R/S/E to D/P/Pt to B/W/2 and then to X/Y', but why do that when you could replay through the 3rd Generation with your Swampert and your old favourites by your side? I know which one I'd prefer.
Also, on your little point on the D/P/Pt starters: I'm thinking there may be something along the lines of: You beat Steven in the R/S/E remakes, and similar to how you get your choice of Hoenn and Kanto starters after Red is beaten, Cynthia(or some other important Sinnoh character) will ask you if you would rather have Piplup, Turtwig or Chimchar.

Plus, like you said, it would give people who played the original Gen.3 the re-experience of playing it in updated graphics, along with new features.

Also, if these R/S/E remakes do come to fruition, I'm cautiously optimistic that there will be a new accessory bundled with them; FR/LG were bundled with the GBA Wireless Adapter and HG/SS were bundled with the PokeWalker.

 

[Amphy23]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

Also, while im at it, i think it would be goos to add evolutions to pokemon that can have badass evolutions, like Tropius, Spinda, Kecleon, etc.

Why does everyone want to evolve every single Pokémon ever made? What could you possibly improve upon Spinda or Kecleon?
Anyways, yeah, I want Gen 3 remakes/sequels. I'm a Gen 4 baby, so I never played Gen 3.

 

[TheTPCProductionz]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

I don't think they have to make remakes, but would be nice if they did. It's all for nostalgia purposes, and they sell. Though with what they did with B/W 2, the idea is less likely now and with X/Y announced. Maybe it could happen in the future, but I wouldn't put money on it. Though Nintendo are making a Wind Waker remake, so they could do a remake of R/S .

 

[Mitja]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

Hence: Remakes were made so we can re-experience the origins of the franchise. It has nothing to do with making pokemon more obtainable, that's just a bonus that comes along, and which could be achieved by a number of ways otherwise.

Although I can't find any evidence to suggest that what you said about the remakes being made due to re-experiencing the origins of the franchise, there's nothing I can find to suggest that they were made to only obtain old Pokemon.
They are also made to bring other Pokemon games up to speed with the current generation of games.
But here's something else:
Most Pokemon are made available in one generation. Gen.3 used an entirely new gaming platform, making any connection with the previous games impossible. They also introduced all those new features.
Therefore, they needed to make all the Kanto/Johto Pokemon that weren't in R/S/E available to please old fans, and to actually make them accessible entirely.
I know that there are legendaries that aren't in B/W/2, but those are made available by having an a relatively easy way to transfer them from HG/SS/D/P/Pt.

What the..
I essentially stated what the point of remakes in the gaming industry is IN GENERAL.
Remakes are made so you can replay an old game with a less dated feeling. Or rather, because they realized that people would want to do just that, which equals profit.

No, as I said, there was no need for FRLG to make pokemon available.
They would just have to put the kanto starters into Colosseum or Gale of Darkness and every pokemon would be available in gen 3 without FRLG.
And even if these games did not exist, guess what, they could have simply made all those pokemon available in some way in RSE (like the tons of johto pokemon in emeralds post-game). But, conveniently, they had remakes planned, and didn't have to put eveything in the other gen 3 games.

Also, on your little point on the D/P/Pt starters: I'm thinking there may be something along the lines of: You beat Steven in the R/S/E remakes, and similar to how you get your choice of Hoenn and Kanto starters after Red is beaten, Cynthia(or some other important Sinnoh character) will ask you if you would rather have Piplup, Turtwig or Chimchar.

And the same for the hoenn starters.. no need for remakes because of that.

They could put them in any kind of compatible spin-offs too.

 

[Rangermon]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

I've had this discussion for a few years now. And it finally shut up after XY proved my point. And now we're months away for even THOSE games.

Anyhow. I still sincerely hope that the concept of "remakes" was finished with HGSS. Gamefreak can do better than that. I mean they don't have to resort to copy-pasting every single outdated game to the current standard, they can do actually new stuff and incorporate nostalgia to milk more cash in that.
They have proven with BW2 that they are more creative than this.

I don't even see how continuing to remake the newer games makes any sense since the remakes of the original games are just as outdated (FRLG are as old as RSE)

The main reason these games were remade were to make the Pokemon in the games more accessible. e.g. iirc Lugia and Ho-Oh were events in FRLG. Same with the starters; there was no way to get the Gen.1 starters in Gen.3 (unless there was some event I don't know about), or the Legendary Birds.
Also, there was only one way to get the Johto starters in Emerald; you had to catch every Pokemon in the Regional Dex and even then you only got one of the starters.

So for evidence for a remake we have:
-The most recent games Groudon, Ho-Oh & Rayquaza have been in were HG/SS (excluding events) and not being available in B/W/2 at all
-The starters, again, having been most recent in HG/SS (excluding events)
-Only region not having been playable on the (3)DS
-the X and Y logos are blue and red so r/s/e remakes confirmed

However, the fact that the Latis and Regis were in B2/W2 might mean that Groudon & Kyogre could be accessible in X & Y (unlikely, since most version mascots can usually be caught in their respective game; only exception I can think of is the Weather Trio being in HG/SS).

You realise you don't need to say "(3)DS" right? 3DS is a next-gen handheld, it isn't another DS remodel. DS is a 7th Generation console, 3DS is an 8th Generation console. It's more powerful than Wii, but is 128-bit - compared to the Wii's 192-bit.

 

[Mitja]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

The main reason these games were remade were to make the Pokemon in the games more accessible. e.g. iirc Lugia and Ho-Oh were events in FRLG. Same with the starters; there was no way to get the Gen.1 starters in Gen.3 (unless there was some event I don't know about), or the Legendary Birds.
Also, there was only one way to get the Johto starters in Emerald; you had to catch every Pokemon in the Regional Dex and even then you only got one of the starters.

So for evidence for a remake we have:
-The most recent games Groudon, Ho-Oh & Rayquaza have been in were HG/SS (excluding events) and not being available in B/W/2 at all
-The starters, again, having been most recent in HG/SS (excluding events)
-Only region not having been playable on the (3)DS
-the X and Y logos are blue and red so r/s/e remakes confirmed

However, the fact that the Latis and Regis were in B2/W2 might mean that Groudon & Kyogre could be accessible in X & Y (unlikely, since most version mascots can usually be caught in their respective game; only exception I can think of is the Weather Trio being in HG/SS).

You realise you don't need to say "(3)DS" right? 3DS is a next-gen handheld, it isn't another DS remodel. DS is a 7th Generation console, 3DS is an 8th Generation console. It's more powerful than Wii, but is 128-bit - compared to the Wii's 192-bit.

exactly, forgot to respond to that sneaky part myself lol.

Like Nintendos decision to keep the "DS" part of the name for the new handheld makes it somehow useful in the argument. They could have called it gameboy 3D if they wanted.

 

[MarekTheGamer2000]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

You realise you don't need to say "(3)DS" right? 3DS is a next-gen handheld, it isn't another DS remodel. DS is a 7th Generation console, 3DS is an 8th Generation console. It's more powerful than Wii, but is 128-bit - compared to the Wii's 192-bit.

exactly, forgot to respond to that sneaky part myself lol.

Like Nintendos decision to keep the "DS" part of the name for the new handheld makes it somehow useful in the argument. They could have called it gameboy 3D if they wanted.

lmao, true

 

[Cinesra]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

RS remakes will probably come because they make money.

 

[MtheW]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

I didn't have time to read every post, so this may have been brought up, but I would think that there won't be any remakes because all of the third generation games are completely accessible to the fourth and fifth generation. I think that the first and second generations were remade because of difficulties in obtaining some of the pokemon from those games, seeing as they couldn't be linked up with the newer ones. Besides that though, I feel that ruby/sapphire remakes would be very enjoyable and would probably make a lot of money, so they may very well still do the remakes just for the sake of that, but I don't think any of us can speak for gamefreak when it comes to why they did the remakes and whether they will make ones for ruby/sapphire, all we can do is give opinions and hope, which is what I'm doing. I freaking loved third gen.

 

[Blui]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

Though Nintendo are making a Wind Waker remake, so they could do a remake of R/S .

Gamefreak doesn't make the LoZ series...

Anyway I don't want a direct remake, I'd prefer a sequel. Why? Because remakes sell well, but not as well as they could.

 

[Mitja]

RE: Pokemon Third Generation remake

RS remakes will probably come because they make money.

Id argue tho that less than the previous remakes.
A new game involving Hoenn would sell way way more, as it would have the nostalgia and the excitement of something new.

Just like they figured it was time to reinvent the "third" version (as its sales would have been ridiculously smaller if it was just a slightly altered "Grey"), I believe they will do something new with "remakes" after HGSS.

 

[Chariblaze]

Just like they figured it was time to reinvent the "third" version (as its sales would have been ridiculously smaller if it was just a slightly altered "Grey"), I believe they will do something new with "remakes" after HGSS.

Twist: XY ARE the RSE remakes! New Pokemon have invaded... Hoenn had some structural changes... Sure!

Moved to the Gen III subforum of the BW2 forum.

 

[SheNinja]

? What? HGSS are not remakes of FRLG.

 

[TheTPCProductionz]

X & Y aren't Third gen remakes, they probably won't make another one. They will make X & Y 2 or a Ranger game to fill in the space before the generation after.