After testing today, Reshiram EX will go straight to top tier. Here's why:

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Teh_Pig

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Reshiram EX is just way too good. Swinging for 150 every turn without fail?
What makes it more insane is the following cards I mention with it.

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Reshiram EX – Fire – HP180
Basic Pokemon
[R][C][C] Shining Claw: 50 damage. Flip a coin, if heads this attack does an additional 30 damage.
[R][R][C][C] Brave Fire: 150 damage. Flip a coin, if tails this Pokemon also does 50 damage to itself.


At first glance, the flips might turn away many, let alone the consequence of brave fire.
Remember what we get in the next expansion? FLIPTINI!


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Yes, even if we get to reflip for the +30 or no 50 recoil, 4 energies are still a lot to get on.
This is where the next 3 cards come into play in sequence.

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Cilan - Trainer’s Support
Choose 3 Basic Energy cards from your deck, show them to your opponent, and put them in your hand. Shuffle your deck afterward.

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Ultra Ball - Trainer’s Goods
This card can’t be used unless you discard 2 cards from your hand.
Choose 1 Pokemon card from your deck, show it to your opponent, and put it in your hand. Shuffle your deck afterward.

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"Energy search" type cards haven't had much spotlight ever since I've started playing the game back in the Neo days, but Cilan definitely will have a spot in the metagame.
Ultra ball is pretty much 1 step below a Computer Search.
In order to be effective with Typhlosion, the energy need to be discarded and ultra ball is perfect for this.
I can't think of a better way to discard energy than to search and evolve into a Pokémon that's going to get it back in play on the same turn.


My playtesting today consisted of shattering a current reshiphlosion 6-0 prizes and a stage 1 with 5-0 prizes.
Your thoughts?


tl;dr
- Reshiram EX is crazy.
- With 2 Typhlosions set up, use Cilan to search 3 fire energy.
- Ultra Ball to discard 2 of them, maybe search and play another Ty. or Reshiram EX
- Afterburn with Typhlosion(s)
- Swing for 150 every turn.
- Got a tails? No problem. Fliptini
 
Yup. Reshiphlosion is going to be pretty much ridiculous. I think we can predict an increased play in Beartic if this is the case, to try and keep Reshiram EX from being broken. Being able to hit for 100 while taking two Prize cards after a KO and locking Reshi EX, not bad. Problem here: staying alive. Beartic decks will need consistency and to be able to pump out Beartic after Beartic after being one-shotted.

This is insane. Reshiphlosion's getting revamped.
 
The only thing is Kyurem and Kyurem Ex will be out when these are released. Not saying it will ruin this deck, but it becomes another bad matchup for it.
 
Great, just what we need, more overpowered Dragons. It seems like it will work very well, people may have to start adding Samurott lines into their list as a counter, but even that doesn't get the OHKO. I've heard some hype over Zekrom too, with the Pachi Shaymin engine, so that may be able to outspeed and out preform this Reshiram. Only time will tell though.
 
uhg... more dragons.....well at least its not for a while! but this seems like a pretty good stratigy-looks like im getting lanturn back out!
 
I'm almost positive its because I'm a noob but im kind of excited for this deck. I feel like, however, zekrom ex may work well in this deck too just to cover type advantage. You could just afterburber the two discarded fire energy back on and there really isn't much wrong with it. I also like how you can have plenty of full arts and exs. Does anyone know if reshiram ex will have a full art?
 
^I think each EX will come with FA and non-FA versions.

I like the idea of this in Reshiram, or even as a different main focus. I'm just worried about Magnezone OHKOing it for 2 Prizes and Reshiram not being able to recover as easily.
 
^This and Zekrom are unique in that they were in trainer kits so Japan hasn't yet seen a FA version of them. Sort of a similar situation with the non-EX Kyurem which never got a FA.

I'm going to say this card will say play in Reshiram just to beat Reuniclus, but I'm not seeing it as its own deck. 120 is enough to OHKO a lot of stuff as it is, and there's no reason to give up 2 prizes especially when there's a chance you'll end up with the same HP as the regular. I'm still reluctant to run anything with a flip - even with Fliptini.
 
^ Haha, I'm not a risk-taker either, but I really like this deck. If anything, I'm running 2/2, regular and EX. Four Energy will take a little more time than three, (duh), and 150 is overkill...but there's still Zekrom and other EXs that'll see play nonetheless.
 
GyaradosPrime said:
150 also ohkos donphan right? That's more deckspace because you wont need as many plus powers... Right?
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Ding ding ding!

Srsly though.

Do EX's work like Level X's in that they count toward the four copies of a card with the same name? Like, can I have 4 Reshiram and 2 Reshiram EX?
 
megatron said:
Do EX's work like Level X's in that they count toward the four copies of a card with the same name? Like, can I have 4 Reshiram and 2 Reshiram EX?
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No, any EX counterpart counts as having a seperate name as their ''normal'' counterparts. This is at least the old ruling on the EX cards, and unless they change it, (which I doubt) this means you could run 4 [name here] and 4 [name here] EX in your deck.

On another note, I personally think Reshi decks will find more use for Zekrom; he fits with the discarding theme, and adds type coverage. This also means Fliptini isn't needed, and the energy requirements could be easily filled by Prism/Rainbow Energy. Reshiram EX could be used as well, but I personally think he doesn't ''add'' anything EXtra's to the deck. (see what I did there?)
 
Kyogre,Kyurem, and Mewtwo EX will bring this guy down.

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Kyogre EX - Water - HP170
Basic Pokemon

[W][C] Smash Turn: 30 damage. You may switch this Pokemon with one of your Benched Pokemon.
[W][W][C] Dual Splash: Choose 2 of your opponent’s Pokemon, and do 50 damage to each of them. (Don’t apply Weakness and Resistance when damaging the Bench.)

Pokemon EX Rule: When Pokemon EX is Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.

Weakness: Lightning (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 4
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Probably the least of your worries but this guy still 2 shots Reshiram and can even start damaging another one that's on your bench,to make matters worse he can retreat to the bench before he gets knocked denying you a prize.
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Kyurem EX - Water – HP180
Basic Pokemon

[W][C][C] Freezing Wing: 60 damage. Choose 1 Special Energy attached to the opponent’s Active Pokemon, and discard it.
[W][W][C][C] Hail Blizzard: 120 damage. This Pokemon can’t use Hail Blizzard during your next turn.

Pokemon EX Rule: When Pokemon EX is Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.

Weakness: Steel (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 3
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This guy's Hail Blizzard attack 1 hit KO's Reshiram which is already menacing since you can't 1 shot him, but since he can only use the attack every other turn he has to resort to Freezing Wing which can still discard any special energies you might have on Reshiram EX while also hitting for a powerful 120.
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Mewtwo EX - Psychic - HP170
Basic Pokemon

[C][C] EX Ball: Does 20 damage times the number of Energy attached to each player’s Active Pokemon.
[P][P][C] Psycho Drive: 120 damage. Choose 1 Energy attached to this Pokemon and discard it.

Pokemon EX Rule: When Pokemon EX is Knocked Out, your opponent takes 2 Prize cards.

Weakness: Psychic (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 2
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Your worst enemy.Thanks to Reshiram's 4 energy cost Mewtw's EX ball will hit for 120 damage for just 2 energies.Of course that's not enough to one hit KO you,but you also cant one hit KO him which means you 2 will trade prizes until he comes out on top for attacking for less.

But whats worst of all?The fact that all of these guys(excluding Kyogre) can also one hit KO regular reshiram too with a single plus power.

Now Lets here the responses,I know someone is going to point something out that proves my theory wrong :p.
 
Kyurem EX and Kyogre EX are so terrible that no one will play them because they lose to any non-fire deck except straight Donphan (and maybe not even that). Mewtwo does work well against Reshiram, although with Emboar Reshiram could maybe keep up in prizes. Reshiram EX doesn't gain anything from Typhlosion but damage counters, since it doesn't discard it will work far better with Emboar and a bunch of switch.
 
Dark Void said:
Kyurem EX and Kyogre EX are so terrible that no one will play them because they lose to any non-fire deck except straight Donphan (and maybe not even that). Mewtwo does work well against Reshiram, although with Emboar Reshiram could maybe keep up in prizes. Reshiram EX doesn't gain anything from Typhlosion but damage counters, since it doesn't discard it will work far better with Emboar and a bunch of switch.
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^This. You don't need the Typhlosion or Great Ball just Cilan, Emboar, and Fliptini. It is definitely a risk, but if set up in time may be very very hard to defeat. The only thing that kills it is it's two prizes rule. It'll allow the opponent to keep up if they can consistently hit you every turn, which they probably should be by the time you are set up (Unless you have an outrageous amount of fire energy)
 
Well, on the topic of speed/consistency:

Emboar in this deck instead of Typhlosion would add consistency opening up room for draw/search and keep the damage down, but slow it down in a sense that it doesn't take advantage of ultra ball which helps you set up no matter what situation you're in. Yea, there's heavy ball, but that doesn't get you Victini or a normal Reshiram.

Also, I don't see how Mewtwo, Kyogre, and Kyuurem can get set up fast enough, and I mean the bare minimum of the whole field.[/b]
 
Celebi23 said:
I'm going to say this card will say play in Reshiram just to beat Reuniclus, but I'm not seeing it as its own deck. 120 is enough to OHKO a lot of stuff as it is, and there's no reason to give up 2 prizes especially when there's a chance you'll end up with the same HP as the regular. I'm still reluctant to run anything with a flip - even with Fliptini.
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Pretty much sums up the main ideas. Reshiram itself is a good enough deck and having to add in another pokemon to get an extra 30 damage is pointless with a 120 hitter. Add in the fact you're losing two prizes per KO and it just becomes pointless.

But in any case, Ultra Ball will make ReshiPloshin (with the EX or not) even more consistent. You want to discard fire energies for the accel in the opening game, so the trainer kills two birds with one stone.
 
I think that running zekrom ex with regular reshiram makes sense. Reshiram as your main attacker zekrom to cover water its just what to use for acceleration. Typhlosion works well with the discard factor which IMO is the way to go. You could run rdl to one shot donphan and synergize with zekrom
 
I can see running 3-4 non fire energies being a hassle for many when running Zekrom.
The main problem is that these need to be in hand and nowhere else.
I suppose you can Cilan for basic lightnings later in the game, but there goes your opportunity to get fires out if it's earlier.

Oh, and for people thinking 150 is overkill:

-Zekrom
-Reshiram
-Magnezone
-Donphan
-Samurott
-Kyuurem NV
-Any other offensive threat >120HP your opponent is building
 
Teh_Pig said:
I can see running 3-4 non fire energies being a hassle for many when running Zekrom.
The main problem is that these need to be in hand and nowhere else.
I suppose you can Cilan for basic lightnings later in the game, but there goes your opportunity to get fires out if it's earlier.
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Prism Energy: A rainbow for basics that I believe counts as any energy off the field too, corrrect me if I'm wrong. This means it can be used for Reshiram or Zekrom and still be affected by Typhlosion and Ninetales (I think).
 
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