An Alternate More Serious Pokémon Anime?

Nothing wrong with pokemon calling their names but its true some are just incredibly lame, anime could definitely use some more pokemon that make diff noises for example staryu/starmie
 
Today I was trying to hatch a Tyrogue and thinking that I would like to do that in a shady town and then I've remember of Origins and the more seriousness we had back in Gen I. and the first seasons of the anime: there were cities with pollution, fights involving both people and Pokémon (kind of civil war), conflicts between people and Pokémon because of living space and territory, and we've seen that things can go very wrong in the Pokémon world with Pokémon like Koffing, Grimer, Voltorb and, most of all, Mewtwo. Origins doesn't deserve all the credit for its serious tone since it's only portraying the plot from B/R/Y/LG/FR but seeing the troubles with Cubone, T.R. and Silph Co. (man, big corporations that get hijacked or turn to be some kind of front for shady bussinesses is always cool to watch) made me crave for more.
Where's our Garbordor army invading a city and turning it into an open-air sewer? Where's the city being ravaged by a bunch of dangerous and ambitious Scrafty? The regions are now quiet places where only the evil teams cause some trouble and even that doesn't seem too important since most of the time they do cirurgical and precise attacks despite wanting to conquer the world or destroy it.
In one question: where's the Monsters aspect in "Pocket Monsters"?
 
You're exactly right Leaf-Ranger, exactly right.

Plus, the show has gotten increasingly more conservative over the years. Actually, I shouldn't say that because it has done some fluctuating, like for instance we saw some heightened and slightly more serious violence towards the end of Episode N. But in recent productions you won't see so much as a hug or kiss in terms of physical touch. As part of a more serious anime, they'd need to reintroduce some of the old realism of scandal and natural disaster, and problems that would actually arise in a Pokemon world.
 
Elite Stride said:
You're exactly right Leaf-Ranger, exactly right.

Plus, the show has gotten increasingly more conservative over the years. Actually, I shouldn't say that because it has done some fluctuating, like for instance we saw some heightened and slightly more serious violence towards the end of Episode N. But in recent productions you won't see so much as a hug or kiss in terms of physical touch. As part of a more serious anime, they'd need to reintroduce some of the old realism of scandal and natural disaster, and problems that would actually arise in a Pokemon world.

You too are right. Your example of Delia Ketchum in the other thread is perfect in showing us what's missing. I agree with you when saying that there's some fluctuation but I can't seem to understand why. Was there a change in those responsible, either the actual persons or their thoughts/ideals, was there some scandal in Japan?
In Sinnoh (I won't talk of Hoenn because I can't properly judge that season because it was one of my favorites and I might fall for some fanboyism) we had Dawn's relation with her mother, we had Pokémon showing their feelings either for its trainers and for other Pokémon (Buneary for Pikachu), we had Barry's fanboyism, we had Cynthia and, more importantly, we had Paul and J, two of the most remarkable characters because of their strengh and behaviour. The only thing missing was seeing more of Cyrus personality and desire to create a new world. In Isshu, the world was just perfect, all beautiful...only the Dreamyard showed us some dark side of it but aside from that there was nothing more I can recall. Team Plasma was originally supposed to cause some mess with that Liepard "shooting" at some skyscrapper's windows but that was scrapped because of the earthquake, then we had the season with N and Ghetsis and the blond dude but even that was nothing compared to what we played in the games. About Kalos, it's still somewhat early to speak of it but the Pokémon have yet to show that they have a personality and that that is shown beyond their debut episode.

Btw, I've just remembered, where's our human-hating fighting Musketeer trio in the anime? By now, after watching Isshu, they must have found the pleasures of life: Terrakion discovered human food and it's now even fatter, Virizion is just smelling the flowers and apreciating perfumes and beautiful ladies and Cobalion...this one must either be dead, smoking w**d or just thinking too much about its purpose in life. There's only missing...I can't even recall its name...it must be participating in a musical or movie akin to My Little Pony with Brycen.
 
I don't think there is anything wrong with Pikachu, I mean come on, most shows (especially animes I don't care what kind) have some kind of cuteness and/or comedy relief. No Ash, well I could see wanting a protagonist who seems to accomplish something in their journey. I'm not sure about changing protagonists though, I mean they've done that for years with the supporting male and female party members Ash travels with and they've all had mixed results. There are shows that lose viewers and even experience their downfalls at least in part because of that.

Again all shows have meaningless episodes that are boring and/or repetitive. True these could be minimized somewhat but none of this will ever go away. I think that a season could be about 24 episodes, maybe a few more if need be. That kind of thing would certainly minimize the 'filler' episodes.

I actually like the Pokemon using their name as their 'language'. It's more unique than regular animal communication for an anime show and certainly better than them as a whole (I'm okay with occasional ones) talking common language (depending on where you're watching the show) like the people.

I can agree the battles could be a little more game oriented but I don't think that should be done completly. Let there be some 'creative battling strategies'. I actually wish it were possible in the games.

Some game references and stories would be kind of neat, but not the entire thing cover to cover, there would be little point to it then. Plus, let's be honest, you can't have a more serious and mature Pokemon series and follow the same game that is intended for kids, it's pretty much a contradiction.

One big thing I have, is how little the enemy teams have shown up. You face them so often in the games and yet we see little of them in the show. They're the big bads, so feature them that way.

I agree that legendaries should be featured a bit more. I mean, to use the anime I would have loved to see Dawn get Shaymin or May get Manaphy. None of them are exactly up there on the powerful legendary Pokemon scale anime wise. I know there is also the movie issue though. I understand they don't want legendary overflow but it would have been nice to see something. A neat intro might be someone stealing the groups known Pokemon only for the one of the charries to be like "I hate to use this Pokemon if I don't have to, but I don't have a choice now." And then send out a legendary Pokemon to surprise the other charries and beat the enemy.
 
Honestly, I think that what we saw in the Diamond and pearl series is as serious and mature as it needs to get, with maybe some more topics on death, romance, and career issues attached.

As for stuff like Pokemon using moves that don't make sense according to competitive battling, lets be honest here, they do that to make it look better for the big screen. And it's obvious that anime canon is very different according to game canon in numerous ways. Pokemon don't have all their levels set to 50, therefore, a bad-ass Pikachu could beat a maybe slightly less experienced and/or less motivated Latios. And we could have a f@&*ng Snivy prodigy kick your but (for better or for worse :p) or Ash's Krabby get in there and kick but. The counter shield, the spin dodge, etc. I do think they should feature more pokemon battle strategies and scenarios reminiscent or partly reminiscent to possible video game situations, but if they totally revamped the anime logic to make it work like the video games then it would be kind of weird and a disservice to the world that they've already spent years building up.

If you want the public to know what competitive battling is just to "save the integrity of the Pokemon fandom" then what needs to happen is that viewing of the video game world championships needs to expand, and that's that. Which could take a while since last I checked I don't think any video game tournament has been deemed TV worthy as far as I know. :p If people are going to make fun of us just because they think Pikachu is our favorite Pokemon or the Pokemon say their names or something stupid like that, then that's their problem. They are f@&*ng blind if they don't see TheJolteonMaster or SuperSkarmory or Marriland making videos on youtube (no Pikachus there) or all of the pictures and videos and fan art of Charizard and Blastoice and etc. And Darkrai on the cover of the movie or Zoroark or Lugia or Zekrom. Pikachu is an awesome mascott because, Pikachu wants to be who he wants (stay a Pikachu) no matter what anybody says yet he can still kick but, and gain respect. Pikachu might be the first thing they see, but if it is the only thing they see, then it's only because they don't care enough to pay attention.

My wants for the current anime: keep Charizard, even if he appears only once in a while. Cuteness is cool and all, but give us some variety please. Do more of what you did in D/P with the battle strategies and etc. Keep Ash's accomplishments in play.

My thoughts on an alternate anime: Meh, could be cool, but is it really necessary? Only thing that could set it apart from the current Anime is explicit sexual themes gore and violence and moral dilemmas, unless they kid-ify Ash's story even more which I would not like.

The best compromise I could come up with is slowly advance Ash's story into being the mature one and start a new Anime for the kids. But honestly, are explicit sexual themes and gore necessary in a Pokemon Anime? Do we want to separate the kids from the adults? Kids can take a lot more than you think you know. Part of the charm in Pokemon is that it's for everyone. :/

The best excuse for a more serious alternate anime is create a different Pokemon world and really dive into some deep and intense morale dilemmas and etc... actually that could be cool if they can do a kickass job in the world design department, make it like a dark version of what the Pokemon world could be. Maybe even connect it with the current Anime world somehow. If they got the budget there's an idea for a potentially kickass spin-off.
 
What I would like to see in a Pokémon anime if they would do a complete overhaul:

-Have an unique story line with the introduction of every new generation, with a new protagonist and a new 'mascot' Pokémon, set in the new region (like the Yu-Gi-Oh anime). Don't make every protagonist a 10 year old would help too. Like, try the Pokémon adventure with a 20 year old main character for example.
-Make the story somewhat similar to that of in the main games, but make it go deeper and into more detail than the games do. Show us more about the evil teams, how they operate, what their goals are etc. Also, whenever the protagonists encounter members of the evil team (not every episode), make the encounters matter. The evil teams should be intimidating, powerful and ruthless. They should accomplish things over the course of the story, and get close to finalising their plans so the protagonists have a reason to fight against them and put an end to their organisation.
-Character development. The things that happen during the adventure should have an impact on the main characters. They should become more experienced, and learn from the things they do and see on their adventure. Also, strengthen the bonds between the characters travelling together over the course of the series, and their Pokémon. This is something the original series already does to some extent, but then you still have those episodes where Ash comes over as a complete noob, despite all the things he's already accomplished.
-Much less filler. I don't mind the occasional filler thrown in here and there, but it shouldn't make up the bulk of your series. Limit every generation's series to a length of maybe like 50 episodes at most. Quality over quantity.
-Most of all, I want to see a Pokémon anime that's aimed towards making it an enjoyable experience for people older than 12 years old. There's been plenty of other quality cartoon shows that are fun to watch for adults, yet are still child friendly (Animaniacs for example). I don't need blood, gore, sex (lol) in my Pokémon anime, I just want it to be aimed less at 12 year olds only.
 
Milennin said:
What I would like to see in a Pokémon anime if they would do a complete overhaul:

-Have an unique story line with the introduction of every new generation, with a new protagonist and a new 'mascot' Pokémon, set in the new region (like the Yu-Gi-Oh anime). Don't make every protagonist a 10 year old would help too. Like, try the Pokémon adventure with a 20 year old main character for example.
-Make the story somewhat similar to that of in the main games, but make it go deeper and into more detail than the games do. Show us more about the evil teams, how they operate, what their goals are etc. Also, whenever the protagonists encounter members of the evil team (not every episode), make the encounters matter. The evil teams should be intimidating, powerful and ruthless. They should accomplish things over the course of the story, and get close to finalising their plans so the protagonists have a reason to fight against them and put an end to their organisation.
-Character development. The things that happen during the adventure should have an impact on the main characters. They should become more experienced, and learn from the things they do and see on their adventure. Also, strengthen the bonds between the characters travelling together over the course of the series, and their Pokémon. This is something the original series already does to some extent, but then you still have those episodes where Ash comes over as a complete newbie, despite all the things he's already accomplished.
-Much less filler. I don't mind the occasional filler thrown in here and there, but it shouldn't make up the bulk of your series. Limit every generation's series to a length of maybe like 50 episodes at most. Quality over quantity.
-Most of all, I want to see a Pokémon anime that's aimed towards making it an enjoyable experience for people older than 12 years old. There's been plenty of other quality cartoon shows that are fun to watch for adults, yet are still child friendly (Animaniacs for example). I don't need blood, gore, sex (lol) in my Pokémon anime, I just want it to be aimed less at 12 year olds only.

We can agree to disagree on this, but I thought that I should just point it out; they need to (or at least I would expect them to need to, it'd be cool if they could do both EFFECTIVELY, which is kind of what I think they tried to do with Origins) close Ash's story before they start with a new protagonist. And they made it pretty clear exactly where Ash was and where he will be going near the end of D/P. In the grand scheme of things, each region is more like a regional VG tournament in real life not a national one, Ash probably turned 11 sometime in Unova give or take, and Pokemon is a life story more than anything else (hence, all of the filler, to a certain extent at least). The point is, if Ash is going to become the world Pokemon Master, and/or defeat Tobias (you can't have a protagonist aiming to be Pokemon master and expect him to not run into solo Darkrai dude again) it's going to take AT LEAST another 3 regions including Kalos for it to be believable. And 3 is assuming that Tobias is near the level of the current Pokemon world master. Soo.... just throwing that out there.

Having a different mascot with each region sounds great on paper, and I just don't mean that civilly I mean that genuinely. Because it would reflect the variety within the Pokemon world and the fandom. However, it would just be weird to dump Pikachu at this point, It'd be *almost* like we are just giving in and sucking up to the bullies that say Pikachu is lame. Pikachu has just been around too long. I think that having a new mascot for each region is kind of what they tried to do with Piplup and perhaps Axew (have not seen enough of B/W to determine Axew's role), it's a good idea if they can fine tune it and try something that is not just cute.

As for all of your other points, totally agree. :) So long as we don't have to ditch Jessie, James and Meowth completely (at least not until they get a proper closer plot arc and become sort of friends with Ash lol) Character development, dangerous evil teams, more about the evil teams, detail, quality over quantity, a bit less filler, and rated E for inclusion of everyone is all good. :cool:
 
TheJolteonMaster said:
Having a different mascot with each region sounds great on paper, and I just don't mean that civilly I mean that genuinely. Because it would reflect the variety within the Pokemon world and the fandom. However, it would just be weird to dump Pikachu at this point, It'd be *almost* like we are just giving in and sucking up to the bullies that say Pikachu is lame. Pikachu has just been around too long.

Yeah, but the topic was about what we would do if we could decide what the Pokémon anime should be like. :) I know they'll never get rid of Pikachu (I don't hate Pikachu honestly), but it would be interesting if they would change it around (not happening as long as Ash is the main character).
By mascot I meant to star that Pokémon they're trying to popularise every new generation as the main Pokémon. Like, Lucario for gen 4, Zorua/Zoroark for gen 5 and Greninja for gen 6. Of course there would still be room for other teammates, so it's not like you'd be seeing the protagonist using the one same thing in every battle.
 
idk if this has been brought up, but theres one thing I'd really want to see in an updated anime:
Pokemon having a more realistic sense of strength.
(mainly Pikachu)
I mean, it is fun to see something looking weak and not particularly strong defeat a Hydreigon or something every once in a while (the Bellsprout in the original series comes to mind), but when it just becomes "Pikachu use Thunderbolt! *everything in a five mile radius faints*" it gets really repetitive and annoying.

I'd also like more of a sense of danger in a serious anime, as in when a Pokemon uses Flamethrower it has more of a "this Pokemon is actually sending out a huge blast of fire this could potentially be dangerous", or that some of the darker Ghost types actually live up to their dex entries. (ie we actually see someone get lost in the forest, then when the protagonist goes in said forest they see a Phantump and it's heavily implied that the Phantump was the guy we saw)
I can see something happening (similar to some episodes now) where theres a large Pokemon (tyranitar, metagross etc) wreaking havoc on a town/city, and theres actual wreckage and injuries (hell, there could even be some deaths... maybe they could just be implied to keep it less dark)
 
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"Pokemon Adventures", I agree, is the deepest form of Pokemon. However, I still do watch the anime because I really do love it.

Imagine if Pokemon Adventures became an anime series? That would be what many people are asking for, as it has a really deep story and characters, as well as aiming for older children as well as younger children. But as mentioned above, Pokemon should be for everyone, and not too gory or, you know, having adult scenes. Everyone can say anything about Pokemon being too childish, but Pokemon is created for children too. There is nothing bad to say about it if you may be grown up and it is targeted for children. You did enjoy it when you were kids too, right?
 
His Goominess said:
idk if this has been brought up, but theres one thing I'd really want to see in an updated anime:
Pokemon having a more realistic sense of strength.
(mainly Pikachu)
I mean, it is fun to see something looking weak and not particularly strong defeat a Hydreigon or something every once in a while (the Bellsprout in the original series comes to mind), but when it just becomes "Pikachu use Thunderbolt! *everything faints*" it gets really repetitive and annoying.

Well, technically thunderbolt is a special attack, aka magic, and since magic is part of the soul, it's actually not that unrealistic for someone who should be physically weak to be able to kick but using magic. Ya think? :/
 
TheJolteonMaster said:
His Goominess said:
idk if this has been brought up, but theres one thing I'd really want to see in an updated anime:
Pokemon having a more realistic sense of strength.
(mainly Pikachu)
I mean, it is fun to see something looking weak and not particularly strong defeat a Hydreigon or something every once in a while (the Bellsprout in the original series comes to mind), but when it just becomes "Pikachu use Thunderbolt! *everything faints*" it gets really repetitive and annoying.

Well, technically thunderbolt is a special attack, aka magic, and since magic is part of the soul, it's actually not that unrealistic for someone who should be physically weak to be able to kick but using magic. Ya think? :/

I see your point, but its more the fact that Pikachu as a species aren't particularly strong and whilst I do get that with training they can fight in battles, Ash's Pika just takes that to an extreme.
 
His Goominess said:
I see your point, but its more the fact that Pikachu as a species aren't particularly strong and whilst I do get that with training they can fight in battles, Ash's Pika just takes that to an extreme.

While, yes, I do agree that a more serious anime should distribute power based on a Pokemon's stats and not just its experience (or the fact that it is a staple character), you have to give credit to the actual anime for one thing: it has succeeded in enforcing the "any Pokemon can be strong if raised right" theme.

His Goominess said:
I'd also like more of a sense of danger in a serious anime, as in when a Pokemon uses Flamethrower it has more of a "this Pokemon is actually sending out a huge blast of fire this could potentially be dangerous", or that some of the darker Ghost types actually live up to their dex entries. (ie we actually see someone get lost in the forest, then when the protagonist goes in said forest they see a Phantump and it's heavily implied that the Phantump was the guy we saw)

I would really like to see this implemented in a more mature anime. Whenever some big attack is used, Ash always jumps in front and shows his will to sacrifice himself. While it's honorable (and sometimes ignorant), a real ten-year-old child would not want to be near a blast of fire, nor a shock of electricity, or a fight between two of the strongest Kanto Pokemon (first movie). I wish it seemed more humanistic because, while I'm sure everyone gets used to it, there shouldn't be such happiness when a wild animal sneaks up on them or when a Pokedex entry claims something threatening and the anime does not.
 
Well, there are many things that are said for Pokemon being more realistic. However, it is a cartoon series (which I think is the best) and not everything has to be real. And, it also means that Ash is a very strong willed person who doesn't care about being hurt for his Pokemon. To be honest, that actually inspired me to face my fears of danger and injuries, so I really look up to Pokemon for that.

Oh yes, I really, really like what Turtwig said :"...any Pokemon can be strong if raised right...". That makes perfect sense.
 
GOD YES! If there were any doubt, I don't have it anymore, not after seeing Ash's battle with Ramos.

Today I've tried to watch the anime without any strings, I was just going to enjoy the episode, more so because I'm mainly a Grass-type trainer so I had interest in seeing how Ramos is besides his artwork and taking into account that I didn't played XY.

My problem: Ash! He continues all fired up in going from Gym to Gym, without enjoying a nice cup of tea or, most importantly, other people's company. Not only that, he still behaves like a child when people ask for help and he's not willing to. I was imagining that if Ramos didn't ended up battling, Ash would just grab his scissors, slit his throat and just take the badge for himself. Then, like a rash child he suddenly discovers what it is bounding and never giving up while screaming as always like a madman.
 
Personally i'd like to see a more serious anime. Rotating out characters every Generation and such, but still awknoledging past events or having previous characters cameo in some arcs. Like say have Blue show up in some of episodes of the XY series (they mention that he was in Kalos after all) filling up plot that they left open in the games, like the ghosts in the Old chateau and Lumiose ghost girl.

Honestly this has been on my mind for a while that if the Anime did stuff like that since XY is making it to the 20th anniversary of Pokemon that that series would focus of referencing past events and having Cameos here and there, and a plot that the main character of XY wants to become one of the strongest trainers in the world to have a chance at battling people like Red.

Although i can't imagine a Pokemon anime without pointless episodes dedicated to meeting and getting to know a trainer of the week so maybe that could just be filler episodes.

Honestly i have so many ideas for how this kind of series could work that i should write a fanfic about it.
 
I just watched episode 54, the one with the Malamar trio and it was refreshing. Too bad it's only a tear in the ocean.
This episode left me wondering if we'll get to see the future Pokémon world with some time travelling...I certainly would love to see a Pokémon series in the future with more high tech and a darker tone, like what if Malamar ended up ruling the world or if Ash not being there to save the world (perhaps then could Ash get some credit and a statue as the Lost Hero of Sacrifice! :p ).
 
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