Best Wishes Movie 14: White—Victini and Zekrom/Black—Victini and Reshiram

[Playerking95]

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Well, I found something interesting about movie 14, someone on bulbapedia said that one of the movies creators recently traveled to france, it could be to scout for loactions, the blog said,

Nice and various places in France must be inspiration location for Pokemon movie 14th ビクティニと黒き英雄 (literal means Victini and the Black/Dark hero).
One of Pokemon film creators, screen writer Hideki Sonoda visited to France in the end of August 2010 according to his twitter, summary of visiting place as follow:
• 30 Aug: Arrived at Paris then visited to Nice
• 31 Aug: Pic#1, Pic#2
• 01 Sep: Visited to Monaco
• 02 Sep: Walked mountain area in Provence then backed to Nice
• 04 Sep: Backed to Paris
• 05 Sep: Backed to Japan

Could this mean that we could see Keldeo and it's trio?

 

[XieRH]

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What does Keldeo have to do with France?

 

[Playerking95]

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Musketeers? I'm not saying it's actual proof but also since the movie poster that has Zekrom and Victini on it and someone said it say "WHO IS THE DARK HERO?". It's becoming more likely that Zekrom isn't the dark hero here.

 

[XieRH]

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Musketeers aren't exclusive to France, besides the location scouting in the movies has always been more towards setting design, not so much about the pokemon that appear inside. For example, in the Arceus movie, Greece was location-scouted, and for the Latios/Latias movie, it was Venice. Arceus wasn't greek, and Latios/Latias weren't Italian.

It probably just means the movie location will have a Parisian feel in the setting design. The real-life inspiration has nothing to do with the pokemon starring in the film.

 

[Playerking95]

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Yes the three musketeers are french, Athos, Porthos, and Aramis, inseparable friends who live by the motto "all for one, one for all" ("tous pour un, un pour tous"). Hmm a french location and Legendaries based on French Musketeers? Hmm, i wonder. Also Latios and Latias, i study italian and i know that feminine words end in a and masculine end in o. Latin is connected to italian, so *os* in Latios means it's male and Latias means that is its female. With Arceus, Arceus's name may also come from the word archaic (ancient), which comes from the Greek arkhaios, and is derived from the ancient Greek word for "beginning". Any other reason as to why i'm wrong?

And yes i know that Arceus isn't based off anything greek that much.

 

[XieRH]

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Latin is connected to italian

Latin is connected to many languages...

i know that feminine words end in a and masculine end in o

That's not exclusive to Italian either. For example in Spanish you have Senorito/Senorita, and in many other languages like Mexican or even plain English, you often see -o suffix for males, and -a suffix for females.

Also don't you think it sounds a little far-fetched to have an entire movie location based on Italy because of this name suffix matter? As far as I recall, Alto-Mare was based on Venice because the movie producers liked the waterways and wanted to incorporate that into the setting. That's what drives the design choices behind the art direction, not superficial things like etymology.

I'm dead certain the choice to model Alto-Mare after venice has nothing to do with how "italian" the legendary names may or may not sound.

Hmm a french location and Legendaries based on French Musketeers? Hmm, i wonder.

Not enough to support a valid conclusion or even a sound guess IMO. It's too vague. Every legendary is based on something. Every location in a pokemon movie has also more or less been always based on something. They do NOT coincide. Otherwise I would love to hear how victini and zekrom are somehow also French too...

I'm just trying to say don't jump to conclusions. By saying stuff like "Could it be XXXXXX" it sounds like rhetoric, basically like a part of you is convinced (or hopes that) it is XXXXXX, and any piece of information that can be used to support it (like the frenchness of the location + the frenchness of the musketeers which supposedly were the design basis for the non-french-but-still-musketeer-based pokemon) is immediately taken as a "strong" evidence.

If that works, then maybe Cobalon or one of his pals could also appear, since they were the real musketeers, and Keldeo is based on D'Artagan, who was not a musketeer.

 

[Playerking95]

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Why not do a movie with a french location and use french based legendaries for that? That just seems weird. Tell me why would the poster say Who is the dark hero? On a poster that has Zekrom, and we know there will be a new Pokemon added to the poser because it always happens and Serebii himself said that there will most likely be another Pokemon handed out after and during the movie.

- Latin is closer to Rome than anything

- From Bulbapedia, It is possible that Latios's name is based on the Latin word lateo. Why not end latios and latias in something different from os and as, the probably did that to make a male and female one to connect it to italian gender endings. Yes gender endings happen in other languages but you can't rule out italian.

- So why is it Zekrom and not Keldeo?

 

[XieRH]

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Serebii himself said that there will most likely be another Pokemon

Most likely does not equal definitely.

Serebii's guess is a guess, not a conclusion. Also, Serebii never guessed Keldeo, heck he did not even try to pinpoint a specific pokemon.

I already mentioned why a french location does not mean french legendaries. Firstly, the musketeer trio are based on the musketeers, not based on the musketeer's nationality. Secondly, all past movies have more or less shown that the choice of location is purely aesthetic, not concealing some deep hidden meaning that links to whoever stars in that particular movie.

If you think a french location without french pokemon is weird, then shouldn't it already be weird that Zekrom and Victini have nothing to do with Paris, yet are in the movie? See, there's just no end to how you can look at the issue if you base the argument on stuff like this. We need concrete information. This so far is NOT concrete information. When something is concrete, it is practically irrefutable by virtue of sheer explicitness, for example, nobody here can argue that Victini won't be in the film, because Victini is explicitly shown in the prerelease media so far.

So why is it Zekrom and not Keldeo?

Who said anything about Zekrom?

Why should we be forced to lock in a specific choice and argue only in favour of that?

 

[Playerking95]

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"If you think a french location without french pokemon is weird, then shouldn't it already be weird that Zekrom and Victini have nothing to do with Paris, yet are in the movie?"
Maybe because Keldeo is possibly a main role, so it should be near it's roots, a la France.
"Firstly, the musketeer trio are based on the musketeers, not based on the musketeer's nationality."
Yes they are based on the three musketeers, much like the other small trios they are based on three things, like bulbapedia said
"Cobalon, Terrakion, Virizion are a trio of Pokémon based on the titular characters of the 1844 French novel The Three Musketeers, and partially on hooved mammals such as deer, oxen, and horses. According to legend, they protect Pokémon from having their habitats destroyed by humans and have been known to have attacked human castles during the Middle Ages."

Castles? Isn't there one in the movie 14 preview? Also Serebii said that it has happened before with more then one Pokemon being given out.

I'm not saying Keldeo is a definite, it's just these little facts point to it more the Zekrom being it. Why is Zekrom exactly a Dark Hero, apart from having black as it's colour? And i really don't think Zekrom looks like a hero in the preview by creating a storm and it destroying things and from what it did in Best Wishes's first episode.

 

[XieRH]

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They don't "point to it" explicitly... You are the one making the points, connecting the dots in all these places even if we do not know whether the dots are meant to be connected in the first place... it's fine to speculate, but I don't think pursuing the matter is going to lead to anything productive when it'd be just the same old points being rehashed (French, Musketeer, French, Musketeer, etc...) without anything concrete... then again I'm the guy who doesnt like to take speculative info as 'evidence'...

I dunno... maybe you just don't like it when the dots don't connect your way... referring to the way you called the victini giveaway "stupid" when it turns out it was victini and not your favourite waterpony...

The thing about pokemon is, it has trends, but it also has a tendency to defy trends (eg. teaser material not in final movie... I still recall Deoxys teaser: meteorite crashed in a desert, later they CG'd it into polar region). More often than not, the so-called pre-release material does not hint at something. That is why most people don't bother to try too hard to connect the dots.

 

[Playerking95]

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"I dunno... maybe you just don't like it when the dots don't connect your way... referring to the way you called the victini giveaway "stupid" when it turns out it was victini and not your favourite waterpony..."
Well that is where you are wrong, to me Keldeo is almost as ugly as Yabukuron and i love victini, so shut up. I'm connnecting the dots because i want you guys to get information, because i always bring best wishes episode information quickly so you guys don't feel left out. What if we all think it's zekrom and another site says it's something else and they are right, you might not care but some people might not want to seem stupid, i like making people feel happy.

Okay so i haven't heard your thoughts on this movie, what are they?

I really can't wait to see if Victini is a good guy or not and i hope the two don't battle for a long time like Palkia and Dialga.

 

[XieRH]

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I'm connnecting the dots because i want you guys to get information, because i always bring best wishes episode information quickly so you guys don't feel left out.

I'm sure people can get information themselves (this is the internet)... frankly between an epsiode summary from you and watching the subs from rocketgang, I've so far always picked the latter. Everything else... I just take it as it comes...

Besides this case here is an issue of speculation not information. You are posting because you want to voice your point of view, just like everyone else. If doing so equals "bringing information" then we are all just "informating" each other here anyway

What if we all think it's zekrom and another site says it's something else and they are right, you might not care but some people might not want to seem stupid

Erm... werent you the guy who once said "if I'm wrong, I'm wrong?" An incorrect guess is not stupid. The only stupid thing is if people try to act like they're right when the verdict isn't out.

I can assure you that when the verdict does come out, SENSIBLE AND MATURE PEOPLE who got it wrong aren't going to whine and moan about it.

This isn't a contest to see who can make the correct guess! The one who got it correct isn't going to have bragging rights! The one who got it wrong isn't going to look stupid!

Okay so i haven't heard your thoughts on this movie, what are they?

Looks like a typical pokemon movie to me, nothing too special. Can't say more without actually watching it.

 

[Playerking95]

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"Erm... werent you the guy who once said "if I'm wrong, I'm wrong?" An incorrect guess is not stupid. The only stupid thing is if people try to act like they're right when the verdict isn't out."
Yeah i am the guy but other people feel differently.

"You are posting because you want to voice your point of view." Isn't that what people do on a forum anyway? Lol.

People can watch the subs if they want to, but i do summaries so it doesn't seem boring and if people can't find the subs or they want a summary.

"I can assure you that when the verdict does come out, SENSIBLE AND MATURE PEOPLE who got it wrong aren't going to whine and moan about it."

Yes but others wont, unlike me, like i said if i'm wrong, i'm wrong.


"This isn't a contest to see who can make the correct guess! The one who got it correct isn't going to have bragging rights! The one who got it wrong isn't going to look stupid!"

Oh really because i thought this was a contest (Sarcasm). This isn't a contest if i find information i give it, because i respect people here and i want them to be happy. But some people like having information and you're right this shouldn't be a contest. Also, why don't you pick on Pokemon Web administrators, because they bring information and they have an opinion, you are attacking me because PROBABLY don't like me, and frankly i don't care.

"Looks like a typical pokemon movie to me, nothing too special. Can't say more without actually watching it."

So if you don't really care much about this movie then why are you here because this is where people speculate and talk about the information we have.

Like i said i can't wait to see victini and i wonder if he will be like Shaymin in movie 11.

Can we stop this It's really irritating.

 

[YakobTheRed]

RE: Best Wishes Movies: Victini and the Dark Hero

The fact that you two care so much amuses me.

I really don't know where you're pulling this Keldeo idea out of though... all we know at the moment is that the film will feature Victini and Zekrom. We know this because they're on the poster.

Until we get more info, who knows what will happen...

 

[Their Goominess]

RE: Best Wishes Movies: Victini and the Dark Hero

Where does Keldeo even come into this? If it is part of a quartet, it makes about a universe of sense for it to be with Cobalon, Virizion and Terrakion.
It is most likely going to be Victini, Reshiram and Zekrom.

I also have another theory-Kyurem.
There is a legend surrounding it that it eats humans, where the 'dark' comes in.
It could also attempt to save the world from Zekrom and Reshiram, and so takes some of their power, and uses Freeze Bolt and Cold Flare, and Victini uses V-Generate to make everything better, making it the hero.

 

[Playerking95]

RE: Best Wishes Movies: Victini and the Dark Hero

Well,

- The location is based off france or somewhere there

- Keldeo and it's trio are based off the french musketeers.

- We always get another Pokemon on a future poster

- Keldeo is the next event one and it needs an event

- Serebii said they usually hand out another Pokemon so it should be the next one: Keldeo

- The 3 musketeers were Heroes

- As Xous said, you could interpret it as Hero against the Dark.

- The Poster with Zekrom on it says: Who is the Dark Hero?

That's why i think it MIGHT be Keldeo.

 

[Their Goominess]

RE: Best Wishes Movies: Victini and the Dark Hero

Actually Keldeo's trio are based on the characters of a French novel.

And why on earth does a French location idea mean that Pokemon that originate from France mean that they will be in the movie?

And they hardly ever release 2 or more event Pokemon in one movie, it's only happened in Ruler of Illusions.

And just because Keldeo is the 2nd BW event Pokemon it doesn't mean that it has to be in the 14th movie.

And Darkrai was the 1st event Pokemon for Gen IV, and the second one, Shaymin, didn't come out for another year. Just because it is the second event Pokemon in Gen V, it doesn't mean there has to be an event for it as soon as possible.

I think you're just seeing everything because you want Keldeo to be in the movie. It has got no connection with Victini and Zekrom.

 

[Playerking95]

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- Actually Keldeo's trio are based off the three musketeers, which is also a french novel.

- Why not have french legendaries in a french setting based movie?

- Really? Serebii said usually.

- Well since it's the next one in line and BW is a faster paced series it seams fitting to do about 3 movies.

- See above

- Read before your post sorry. I don't like Keldeo but i believe these little things might mean something

and another point, remember the castle in the trailer well,

it's said that they have been known to have attacked human castles during the Middle Ages.

So this is why Keldeo might be here, now this is for speculation not an argument. And no i don't think the trio will be here.

 

[XieRH]

RE: Best Wishes Movies: Victini and the Dark Hero

why on earth does a French location idea mean that Pokemon that originate from France mean that they will be in the movie?

They don't even originate strictly from France tbh, the connection is so distant it's like talking about human life originating from micro-organisms in the ocean. As I told Playerking95 the location in the movie has nothing to do with the pokemon starring in the movie, as evident in the fact that Zekrom and Victini aren't French-inspired.

I think you're just seeing everything because you want Keldeo to be in the movie. It has got no connection with Victini and Zekrom.

It has nothing to do with connection... Shaymin and Giratina werent explicitly connected, yet both star in the same film. Same for Victini/Zekrom and Suicune/Celebi.

Judging by what Playerking95 insists about not liking Keldeo, I don't think this is an issue of him wanting Keldeo. It is rather, an issue of him wanting so badly to be correct, to be the one who "pieced everything together and got the correct answer", thats why he argues so strongly in favour of his theories. In the event that he turns out wrong, he falls back on his "Well I was only speculating" lifeboat.

I dont see any point in further trying to debate on that matter. I know for certain the response is either gonna be:

a) "Why not Keldeo"

b) The location is French, Keldeo is based on French literary character ergo Keldeo = high chance candidate

c) The next Event pokemon release somehow HAS to be Keldeo, no room for argument ergo Keldeo = high chance candidate

it makes sense for them to feature the figurehead legendaries. Not some fighting horse quartet thingy.

Depends on their decision... Gen III never really had movies dedicated to the mascot legendary, they were always kind of shafted to the side as co-stars.

Maybe Keldeo could be in yeah sure... just as much as maybe Genosect or Meloetta could be in too... at this point in time they all have an equal chance.

Not forgetting it could also be a human. Who wears black (Anime likes to play with colour themes a lot)

 

[omahanime]

RE: Best Wishes Movies: Victini and the Dark Hero

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