Boundaries Crossed disscusion thread - post 11 for checklist

Boundaries Crossed: Good or bad

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RE: Boundaries Crossed - post 11 for checklist

ashtavakra said:
don't forget vileplume boxes in your decks.

1 virizion nvi + eviolite + plus power = 1hko anything in blastoise keldeo. and it is a 2 for 1 prize exchange on keldeo. and you are tanking 40 damage.
vileplume if needed to be used for attack can also 1hko a blastoise, it takes 6 energies for a keldeo to 1hko a vileplume.

vileplume boxes will be the death of blastoise. you just have to be a smart player and realize that the deck is nothing without blastoise, as are eel decks.you take out the most important ingredient in the deck and you take out the deck. if you can successfully 1 hit 1-2 blastoise think about how far behind the deck is. it would have to get out, or super rod back and try to pull out another stage 2 card. the resources required are outrageous.
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Vileplume is catcher bait. If they catcher KO it, you can't attack and lose. Blastoise Keldeo will kill itself, it doesn't need the help of other decks.
 
RE: Boundaries Crossed - post 11 for checklist

Meatheart said:
ashtavakra said:
don't forget vileplume boxes in your decks.

1 virizion nvi + eviolite + plus power = 1hko anything in blastoise keldeo. and it is a 2 for 1 prize exchange on keldeo. and you are tanking 40 damage.
vileplume if needed to be used for attack can also 1hko a blastoise, it takes 6 energies for a keldeo to 1hko a vileplume.

vileplume boxes will be the death of blastoise. you just have to be a smart player and realize that the deck is nothing without blastoise, as are eel decks.you take out the most important ingredient in the deck and you take out the deck. if you can successfully 1 hit 1-2 blastoise think about how far behind the deck is. it would have to get out, or super rod back and try to pull out another stage 2 card. the resources required are outrageous.
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Vileplume is catcher bait. If they catcher KO it, you can't attack and lose. Blastoise Keldeo will kill itself, it doesn't need the help of other decks.
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like i said you will need 6 energies on a keldeo to 1 hit a vileplume...
let me know how that goes for you. a vileplume box will run darkrai im sure, so attach 1 dark energy after you DON'T ko it. and retreat for free, and go back to what i was doing... 1 hitting all your pokemon with my virizion OR a shaymin EX.

if blastoise keldeo was sooooo good, why wasn't emboar/reshiram soooo good? same concept but with the step in ability, which can easily be worked around.
 
RE: Boundaries Crossed - post 11 for checklist

First of all, Reshi is fire, meaning it beats up only grass, and keldeo is twice as damage dealing as reshiram and the ability makes it much better.
 
RE: Boundaries Crossed - post 11 for checklist

Flygon2071 said:
Before the latest news, the poll had 25 on favour for it being a good set and 0 with bad. Now it still has 25 on good and 6 on bad.
The news really changed people's minds.
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That's not even considering most people probably voted in the poll expecting certain cards to be in the set and have now changed their minds. I wonder if some of the people who initially voted would change their minds if the poll was redone.

dmaster out.
 
RE: Boundaries Crossed - post 11 for checklist

ashtavakra said:
Meatheart said:
Vileplume is catcher bait. If they catcher KO it, you can't attack and lose. Blastoise Keldeo will kill itself, it doesn't need the help of other decks.
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like i said you will need 6 energies on a keldeo to 1 hit a vileplume...
let me know how that goes for you. a vileplume box will run darkrai im sure, so attach 1 dark energy after you DON'T ko it. and retreat for free, and go back to what i was doing... 1 hitting all your pokemon with my virizion OR a shaymin EX.

if blastoise keldeo was sooooo good, why wasn't emboar/reshiram soooo good? same concept but with the step in ability, which can easily be worked around.
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Because Reshiram did 120 for 3 tops and had to discard two energy. Keldeo does 110 for three, but it can get to extreme amounts with the correct amount of energy. Keldeo has 170 hp, meaning it can use SSU amazingly. Step in is actually very big, as it prevents catcher stalling. Squirtle cannot be sniped, which is huge but overlooked by a lot of players. This is also a format where stage 2 decks can actually thrive, which is a big difference. Personally, through extensive testing I know exactly how to beat it, but it's not bad and might be a good choice week one of cities in a place where people are still trying to figure out the meta. It's a judgement call though. I will say this-anyone who says Ho-oh can beat Blastoise/Keldeo is wrong.
 
RE: Boundaries Crossed - post 11 for checklist

ashtavakra said:
Meatheart said:
Vileplume is catcher bait. If they catcher KO it, you can't attack and lose. Blastoise Keldeo will kill itself, it doesn't need the help of other decks.
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if blastoise keldeo was sooooo good, why wasn't emboar/reshiram soooo good? same concept but with the step in ability, which can easily be worked around.
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110 + infinite is completely different then 120 + discard or 150 with drawback.

That, combined with new ways to get those Blastoise going like Skyla and Computer search is what makes Blastoise/Keldeo "soooooo good." The ability only adds to it, preventing status lock and preventing catcher stalling of any kind. It also saves deck space because switch doesn't need to be included, and since one of the reasons Emboar wasn't good is because it didn't have enough space, this helps immensly.

....past that, discussion of decks is silly. I've done a bunch of testing already with Keldeo so I know it's at least decent, but besides that, there is NO way to know if anything is good or bad, so don't overhype decks and don't underhype them either.

Anyway, about the set itself, the only card I'm really upset that they took out is Ether. It makes nearly ANYTHING workable. Someone legitimately played Quad Giratina with Ether + Pokedex in Japan. It's a card that would diversify the metagame a lot (It also creates more donk situations and makes it so going first is even more of advantage, but I think the positives it brings outweigh the negatives.)
 
RE: Boundaries Crossed - post 11 for checklist

151/149 = Shiny Terrakion

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RE: Boundaries Crossed - post 11 for checklist

^ Wooooow.
That gold border looks good.
The only bad thing about it is the chance of pulling it is about 1/100
149 is just too much.
 
RE: Boundaries Crossed - post 11 for checklist

looks like there will be a victini, a shaymin, and a wabuffet in the set.

Here's the grass Pokemon in the set
1 Oddish
2 Gloom
3 Vileplume
4 Bellossom
5 Tangela
6 Tangrowth
7 Scyther
8 Heracross
9 Celebi-EX
10 Combee
11 Vespiquen
12 Shaymin
13 Snivy
14 Servine
15 Serperior
16 Petilil
17 Lilligant
Here's the fire Pokemon in the set
18 Charmander
19 Charmeleon
20 Charizard
21 Numel
22 Camerupt
23 Victini
24 Tepig
25 Pignite
26 Emboar
27 Darumaka
28 Darmanitan
Here's the water Pokemon in the set
29 Squirtle
30 Wartortle
31 Blastoise
32 Psyduck
33 Psyduck
34 Golduck
35 Golduck
36 Marill
37 Azumarill
38 Delibird
39 Oshawott
40 Dewott
41 Samurott
42 Ducklett
43 Swanna
44 Frillish
45 Jellicent
46 Cryogonal
47 Keldeo
48 Keldeo
49 Keldeo-EX
Here's the electric Pokemon in the set
50 Pikachu
51 Voltorb
52 Electrode
53 Electabuzz
54 Electivire
55 Chinchou
56 Lanturn
57 Blitzle
58 Zebstrika
 
Envoyofduels said:
Any news on what the non-ex white and black kyurem does?
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NON-EX Black Kyurem

{L}{C} Dual Claw 30X
Flip 2 Coins. This attack does 30 Damage times the number of heads.

{W}{L}{C}{C} Flash Freeze 100
Discard an energy from this Pokemon.

Still working on the white Kyurem

FUGGNUTZ said:
Has anyone seen an English Bellossom yet? I really want to know if this one is legal.
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yep Bellossom is in this set.
 
It would be the one in the Theme Deck, there's no way there's more than the two (well, and a full-art) Black Kyurem cards (regular and EX) in the set. I wonder what the Theme Decks will be like. I expect one (probably the White Kyurem one) will probably be similar to DragonSpeed and Raiders in that it only barely includes one of the represented types (Fire in this case, Fighting and Psychic, respectively, in the other ones) and focuses mostly on the other (in this case Water). Unless they try and include Emboar and Samurott or Charizard and Blastoise. (Actually, that could happen.) Hmm... I expect these will be the first Theme Decks since Blue Assault that lack Pokemon Communication. (I expect the inclusion of Pokeball, Switch, etc. in the set are partly so they didn't need to include Black/White cards in Theme Decks anymore, thus making these decks completely legal in the next rotation.) Speculation is fun!
 
RE: Boundaries Crossed - post 11 for checklist

DeepSleepDarkrai said:
Here's the electric Pokemon in the set
50 Pikachu
51 Voltorb
52 Electrode
53 Electabuzz
54 Electivire
55 Chinchou
56 Lanturn
57 Blitzle
58 Zebstrika
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Is this made up? It must be. There is no Lanturn card in the BW era yet.
 
My speculative list based on WPM's most recent update:

1/149 Oddish
2/149 Gloom
3/149 Vileplume
4/149 Bellossom
5/149 Tanglela
6/149 Tangrowth
7/149 Scyther
8/149 Heracross
9/149 Celebi-EX
10/149 Shaymin?
11/149 Snivy
12/149 Servine
13/149 Serperior
14/149 Cottonee
15/149 Whimsicott
16/149 Petilil
17/149 Lilligant
18/149 Charmander
19/149 Charmeleon
20/149 Charizard
21/149 Numel
22/149 Camerupt
23/149 Victini?
24/149 Tepig
25/149 Pignite
26/149 Emboar
27/149 Darumaka
28/149 Darmanitan
29/149 Squirtle
30/149 Wartortle
31/149 Blastoise
32/149 Psyduck
33/149 Psyduck (Keldeo Deck)
34/149 Golduck
35/149 Golduck (Keldeo Deck)
36/149 Marill
37/149 Azumarill
38/149 Delibird
39/149 Oshawott
40/149 Dewott
41/149 Samurott
42/149 Ducklett
43/149 Swanna
44/149 Frillish
45/149 Jellicent
46/149 Cryogonal
47/149 Keldeo (Battle Strength Deck)
48/149 Keldeo (National Beginning Set)
49/149 Keldeo-EX
50/149 Pikachu
51/149 Voltorb
52/149 Electrode
53/149 Electabuzz
54/149 Electivire
55/149 Chinchou
56/149 one of Blitzle/Joltik?
57/149 one of Zebstrika/Galvantula?
58/149 Wobbuffet?
59/149 Spoink
60/149 Grumpig
61/149 Duskull
62/149 Dusclops
63/149 Dusknoir
64/149 Croagunk
65/149 Croagunk
66/149 Toxicroak
67/149 Cresselia-EX
68/149 Munna
69/149 Musharna
70/149 Woobat
71/149 Swoobat
72/149 Venipede
73/149 Whirlipede
74/149 Scolipede
75/149 Gothita??
76/149 Gothorita??
77/149 Meloetta??
78/149 Sandshrew
79/149 Sandslash
80/149 Gligar
81/149 Gliscor
82/149 Makuhita
83/149 Trapinch
84/149 Dwebble
85/149 Crustle
86/149 Mienfoo
87/149 Mienfoo
88/149 Mienshao
89/149 Landorus-EX
90/149 Purrloin
91/149 Liepard
92/149 Vullaby
93/149 Mandibuzz
94/149 Scizor
95/149 Skarmory
96/149 ??
97/149 ??
98/149 Vibrava(?)
99/149 Flygon(?)
100/149 Black Kyurem
101/149 Black Kyurem-EX
102/149 White Kyurem
103/149 White Kyurem-EX
104/149 Rattata
105/149 Raticate
106/149 Meowth
107/149 Farfetch'd?
108/149 Ditto
109/149 Snorlax?
110/149 Togepi
111/149 Dunsparce
112/149 Taillow?
113/149 Skitty
114/149 Delcatty
115/149 Spinda
116/149 Buneary
117/149 Lopunny
118/149 Patrat
119/149 Watchog
120/149 Lillipup
121/149 Herdier
122/149 Stoutland
123/149 Pidove
124/149 Tranquill
125/149 Unfezant
126/149 Audino
127/149 Aspertia City Gym
128/149 Energy Search
129/149 Great Ball
130/149 Hugh
131/149 Poke Ball
132/149 Potion
133/149 Rocky Helmet
134/149 Skyla
135/149 Switch
136/149 Town Map
137/149 Computer Search
138/149 Crystal Edge
139/149 Crystal Wall
140/149 Gold Potion
141/149 Celebi-EX (FA)
142/149 Keldeo-EX (FA)
143/149 Cresselia-EX (FA)
144/149 Landorus-EX (Full Art)
145/149 Black Kyurem-EX (Full Art)
146/149 Kyurem-EX (Full Art)
147/149 Bianca FA
148/149 Cheren FA
149/149 Skyla FA
150/149 Shiny Golurk
151/149 Shiny Terrakion
152/149 Shiny Altaria
153/149 Shiny Rocky Helmet

The two parts I'm the most shaky about are the gaps between Scolipede/Sandshrew and Skarmory/the Dragon-types. They didn't cut any three-stage Psychic lines, so maybe it's the two Goth cards from National Beginning Set along with Meloetta, who I hope will be in Boundaries Crossed. Perhaps 99 could be the Dragon-type BW-P Haxorus promo, which bumps Vibrava and Flygon up to 97 and 98, with 96 being the Klink from the Keldeo Deck? Definite cuts from Cold Flare/Freeze Bolt are Sewaddle, Combee, Whismur, Timburr, Lunatone, Solrock and Swinub's lines along with the four infamous Trainer cards and one of Joltik/Galvantula or Blitzle/Zebstrika.
 
My checklist at post 11 has been updated. It only shows proven data.
 
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