Standard Cancer Retreat Basher (Forretress / Beartic / Jellicent)

[Vracken]

My worry would be about lack of supporters. I would personally add 2 Lysandre, 2 Skyla, and 2 N. I would then remove all 3 pokemon catchers, 2 Sycamores, and 1 bicycle. This way you have a much greater ability to get things out and draw if you have to deal with the all-powerful Seismitoad EX. If you aren't going to add supporters, then you really don't need 4 VS Seekers. You only have 5 Supporters so 2 is more than enough.

I think that is kinda the point, between the VS Seekers, Random Receivers and 4 Juniper means a greater chance of getting the best draw power supporter in the game and then working with heaps of draw power from items

That being said I am going to add a Lysandre to my list when I try to test this deck out

 

[bbninjas]

My worry would be about lack of supporters. I would personally add 2 Lysandre, 2 Skyla, and 2 N. I would then remove all 3 pokemon catchers, 2 Sycamores, and 1 bicycle. This way you have a much greater ability to get things out and draw if you have to deal with the all-powerful Seismitoad EX. If you aren't going to add supporters, then you really don't need 4 VS Seekers. You only have 5 Supporters so 2 is more than enough.

No offence, but I suggest you play the deck before you give these types of suggestions. With Random Reciever and VS Seeker and Trainer's Mail and Acro Bike and Bicycle and Shaymin-EX, I have enough supporters. And the deck is a cancer engine. Meaning 4 VS Seeker is vital.

I'll just drop here that I don't ever play this deck against Toad cause there is none in my area. If I was taking this to a Regionals or something I would certainly try the deck more with Toad, and probably completely change the deck engine.

If you want to try the deck with Lysandre, Skyla and N, go for it, except take out the Random Reciever and Catcher, as they're no use to you.

I think that is kinda the point, between the VS Seekers, Random Receivers and 4 Juniper means a greater chance of getting the best draw power supporter in the game and then working with heaps of draw power from items

That being said I am going to add a Lysandre to my list when I try to test this deck out

If you put in a Lysandre, I suggest you take out the Catchers for a few other cards (probably draw or something similar).

 

[bbninjas]

I've been thinking about the future for this deck after the ban of trump, and its future doesn't look very bright. The deck desperately needs those 4 DCE to function properly and quickly, and taking two turns to attach energy simply won't cut it. There isn't bench space for energy accelerators, without Skyfield, but I need Silent Lab and Aqua's Base. The deck has certainly gotten much slower - perhaps too slow - to keep up with the EX decks, especially Yveltal as it is difficult to take down (needs a full setup). Does anyone have an ideas, or should I just put this one down? Perhaps there will be something good in the upcoming set, but my hopes are slim.

 

[Vracken]

I have been thinking about it for the past few days but I can't really think of anything that will help it out. Even if something comes out in the next set it is too likely that many important cards will rotate (Jellicent although Team Aqua's Muk replaces that, Random Receiver and the banning of Lysandre's Trump Card) which will leave the draw engine in disarray going through resources with no way to get them back. A stage 1 or basic dragon with the same attack that is also colourless would help deal with lack of recovery options but again, it wouldn't be around for very long before the previously mentioned cards rotate. Sorry man, I really wanted to try this deck out, almost had everything ready for it to :/

 

[bbninjas]

I have been thinking about it for the past few days but I can't really think of anything that will help it out. Even if something comes out in the next set it is too likely that many important cards will rotate (Jellicent although Team Aqua's Muk replaces that, Random Receiver and the banning of Lysandre's Trump Card) which will leave the draw engine in disarray going through resources with no way to get them back. A stage 1 or basic dragon with the same attack that is also colourless would help deal with lack of recovery options but again, it wouldn't be around for very long before the previously mentioned cards rotate. Sorry man, I really wanted to try this deck out, almost had everything ready for it to :/

Loss of RR is not that bad. I was planning on reworking the engine to something different before the ban anyhow. But Trump is really the main problem. I more accurately, a way to recycle those DCE. The primary reason this deck functions as well as it does is because I only need to attach a single energy.

 

[Vracken]

I would have thought loss of the Random Receiver is quite big just because it is your guarantee, although I haven't tried the deck so I don't know for sure it just seemed so

 

[bbninjas]

I would have thought loss of the Random Receiver is quite big just because it is your guarantee, although I haven't tried the deck so I don't know for sure it just seemed so

If I need some sort of replacement, it would be Trainer's Mail. I noticed that with the engine I often have what I need when I need it, although I would have added a few battle compressor to get a VS Seeker/Juniper combo. That or remake the engine like I said

 

[Vracken]

Fair enough I could see how that would work. Originally I was opting for Battle Compressor VS Seeker since that strategy is so dominant in my non Toad meta, completely forgot about trainers mail which I guess is just a weaker Random Receiver with more versitility