Ruling Cheerfull voice on the bench (Ludicolo)

Jake007

Jake007

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Okay so the power states:
Once during your turn (before you attack) you may use this power. if you do your turn ends. During your next turn each of Ludicolo's attacks does 60 more damage to the defending Pokémon before appying weakness and resistance, this power cant be used if Ludicolo is affected by a special condition.

Well it doesnt say Ludicolo needs to be active so can I use the power on the bench, then in the next turn switch Ludicolo to active, and then attack with +60 damage?

Also what would happen if Ludicolo is active, uses the power then my opponent uses a warp point, will the effect of the power be gone?
 
You can use it on the bench (theres alot of nice powers in this set that you can use on the bench).

Theres no ruling to base this off of, but I would say it does the extra 60 damage because its an effect of a power and not an attack. I would double check with the rule team first though.
 
^And how do I contact the rule team? :p
Or is there anyone on this forum that can give me a 100% sure answer?

Thanks for your reply.
 
I would agree with Foxtrot and can give you a definite answer. Look at Slaking PT. Benching it does not end the effect. And effects of powers and bodies are not required to go away on the bench unless stated otherwise. And it's obvious that you can use it on the bench, so yeah. It does an extra 60. Just remember that your turn still ends after using the power.
 
^Slaking PT is a body though. A body can't be shut off or "activated" while a power can. Thats the big difference. However, if we look at slaking MT, there may be a ruling on him and benching him. I think that if you bench him, his power's effects go away, so I think ludi would follow the same logic.
 
That is partially incorrect. Slaking's Power specifically says, "(If Slaking is no longer your active Pokemon, this effect ends.)" That is why his Power goes away on the bench. Ludi's Power, however, does not specify. And a Power is not manually shut off on the bench (that would sort of ruin a lot of cards, huh?). Therefore, as I said before, you get the 60 from Ludi's Power if you use it on the bench.

I think what throws some people off is that the Power says attack in it. However, it does not specify the Active position. Therefore, it can use it on the bench. Another thing that could throw you off is the fact that it has an effect that lasts until another turn. That effect, unlike the effect of an attack, does not go away on the bench. This would be like saying Spiritomb can use Curse Breath every turn as long as it stays on the bench. Lastly, Slaking MT still couldn't use the Power again because it specifies "once during your turn". However, you could bring it up and attack because it specifically says all effects end upon it being benched.
 
Pokemon that damage the bench no longer say "don't apply weakness and resistance". Its a meta-rule. Theres already been a power similar to ludi's that has been printed with similar wording. The only problem is that slaking has to be acitve while ludi does not, giving some probable doubt as to the actual answer. :/
 
There is no doubt here. A Poke-Power is an effect. It isn't like an attack, which it's a "meta rule" that effects of attacks go away on the bench. Effects of Powers are completely different things. You don't have to use a Power in the active position. It wouldn't make sense to get unlimited Cosmic Powers because the "once during your turn" goes away on the bench. Effects of Powers stay on the bench unless stated otherwise (like Slaking MT). Now, watch someone come at me with some crazy, ancient rule and make me look like a total idiot. :p
 
I ment the bench thing because slaking has to be active and tahts the only reason why the rulings are not the same (yet). I don't think theres been any pokepower that does something like this (e.g. places an effect on a pokemon that works next turn) but it *should* be the same as an attack.
 
If you won't believe me for any other reason, believe me for this: It would be sort of silly for PUSA to make a card with a Power that makes you end your turn on while on the bench with no positive effects. They would add that it has to be active if it didn't do it on the bench, don't you think?
 
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that we can't use the slaking ruling BECAUSE it has to be active. You can use ludi on the bench or active. The question at hand is if it goes to the bench does the effect go off? Does the game diferiniate (sp?) between turns for effects or does a single warp point kill the effect when it was used active?
 
I have a question that involves Ludicolo. My question is if you used his poke-power while he is active during your last turn, if your opponent used Warp Point, can I retreat and still do the 60 extra damage during my next turn?
 
From our current perspective, yes. In fact, that was exactly what the original poster asked!!

Ah, you people never read. :p
 
Again, going back to what I said before. The effect of a Poke-Power is not the same as the effect of an attack. Although different, we can refer to Gardevoir ex DF for this. It's Poke-Power placed an effect on one of the opponent's Pokemon. It did not go away on the bench. Ludicolo's Power is essentially the same thing. It is placing an effect on Ludicolo. It doesn't specify anything about the place Ludicolo has to be in. Therefore, no matter what happens as far as switching from the benched to active position and vise versa, you would get the effect of his Power. So yes is the answer to your question, dragonexpert.

And I'm ninja'd. But I gave the reason why, so I'll leave this here.
 
Celebi23 said:
Although different, we can refer to Gardevoir ex DF for this. It's Poke-Power placed an effect on one of the opponent's Pokemon. It did not go away on the bench.
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No, it's not the same thing at all. Gardevoir EX placed an Imprison marker on a Pokemon. Since a special game rule was needed, clearly it's not the same situation.
 
That is irrelevant to what is being discussed.
The question was answered so there is no more need to post in this thread.
 
On top of what all of you said, if it wasn't allowed to be used on the bench, it would say "You may use this power if Ludicolo is your active Pokemon," which it does not.
 
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