Claydol

[Fuday K.]

What makes Claydol so great?
If everyone's using Claydol why is it cool to use Claydol? Won't they know your strategy?
I don't get why it's the cool, big, thing to use Claydol.
Because I have like four Claydol and they don't look amazing to me. :/
I know you have some weird combo with like Gengar and stuff but I really don't get what makes it so strong if everyone already knows the entire strategy behind it.

 

[One Approved]

Hmm... which claydol are you thinking of? Most people play the Claydol from Great Encounters, for it's Poke-Power, not the one from Supreme Victors [which is terrible]. I know that you probably already know that much, but just in case, there's that.

People play it to draw cards every turn. >.> Uxie you can use, but if you power spray it, it's dead.

 

[Juliacoolo]

When I first got into the game, I felt the same way about similar cards. You don't relize how useful they are till you go to tourneys. Would you rather get setup T2, or T6? Draw support helps you get stuff when you want it.

 

[Fuday K.]

Well, Juliacoolo, you've got a point. But still. <_< I feel like it's like. Overused. You know? I don't know. I'm getting sort of sick of decks based around it.
D: I play Electric because I love electric pokemon. They are my passion, I love them, and I feel passion for them. But other people only like to play if they are good "combo" cards and such. I feel so bad for them, really.

That's why I don't like cards like Claydol--people who use them usually don't really actually care.

Sorry I must sound like a person. But yuh

 

[7Deadly$ins]

You don't really base decks around it.

 

[Meaty]

Yeah no one makes "claydol decks" they just like to put in in almost every deck because believe me drawing cards is more important than it seems.

 

[Bane]

Well, Juliacoolo, you've got a point. But still. <_< I feel like it's like. Overused. You know? I don't know. I'm getting sort of sick of decks based around it.

Why not use what works? Something that benefits a lot of decks are going to be used a lot. It only makes sense. And plus, if your opponent uses them and you don't, you may find yourself behind.

You really can't blame people for trying to stay ahead. :/ And plus, decks are based around them, it's just usable in every deck

Uxie isn't used as much because it's one use and done, unless you have SSU or Uxie X.

D: I play Electric because I love electric pokemon. They are my passion, I love them, and I feel passion for them. But other people only like to play if they are good "combo" cards and such. I feel so bad for them, really.

I use a Raichu X deck and there's always Blazeray and the rest. People need to play decks with good combos or else they'll lose.

It's just like the video game. If you were to use Luvdisc and Sunflora against Rhyperior and Hippowdon, you would lose, even though you have strength in the weaknesses. It's because those pokemon just aren't good enough. Much like some cards aren't good enough to be used, or can't combo the best.

That's why I don't like cards like Claydol--people who use them usually don't really actually care.

They care alright. People will use Claydol in most of their decks...so what? I could use Claydol in my Raichu/Drifblim deck...and it would still be what I choose to make out of a deck. Claydol is just...added in.

If people want to win, what's wrong with that? It's not exactly original, but originality can be placed some where else. Originality doesn't always win a fight. If you want to be original and carry a Minigun into a close-combat fight where people have quick to shot and move pistols...that's you're own fault you lost that fight. Their pistols weren't original, but they sure did get the quick shot on you! : D

Sorry I must sound like a person. But yuh

Eh, people will have to speak their mind eventually. It's only person when you totally spaz out and don't respect what others have said.

 

[Fuday K.]

Why not use what works? Something that benefits a lot of decks are going to be used a lot. It only makes sense. And plus, if your opponent uses them and you don't, you may find yourself behind.

You really can't blame people for trying to stay ahead. :/ And plus, decks are based around them, it's just usable in every deck

Uxie isn't used as much because it's one use and done, unless you have SSU or Uxie X.

D: I play Electric because I love electric pokemon. They are my passion, I love them, and I feel passion for them. But other people only like to play if they are good "combo" cards and such. I feel so bad for them, really.

I use a Raichu X deck and there's always Blazeray and the rest. People need to play decks with good combos or else they'll lose.

It's just like the video game. If you were to use Luvdisc and Sunflora against Rhyperior and Hippowdon, you would lose, even though you have strength in the weaknesses. It's because those pokemon just aren't good enough. Much like some cards aren't good enough to be used, or can't combo the best.

That's why I don't like cards like Claydol--people who use them usually don't really actually care.

They care alright. People will use Claydol in most of their decks...so what? I could use Claydol in my Raichu/Drifblim deck...and it would still be what I choose to make out of a deck. Claydol is just...added in.

If people want to win, what's wrong with that? It's not exactly original, but originality can be placed some where else. Originality doesn't always win a fight. If you want to be original and carry a Minigun into a close-combat fight where people have quick to shot and move pistols...that's you're own fault you lost that fight. Their pistols weren't original, but they sure did get the quick shot on you! : D

Eh, people will have to speak their mind eventually. It's only person when you totally spaz out and don't respect what others have said.

Everywhere I look its like "claydol deck" "claydol" "omg claydol" "claydol combo"...maybe it's just me being paranoid, and maybe it is, but I just don't get why it's so great. or why people say that.

I want a Raichu X deck. I'm trying to find Raichu X right now. ): Right now my deck is like Raichu//Electivire X.

I don't know about the whole combo thing. I just play with a strategy, and I win fine. ):

I like being original because it's a passion of mine. I hate being like everyone else. Like, I hate it. So much. When I see people wearing one of the shirts I have, I never wear that shirt again. It makes me mad. I guess it's just a pet peeve of mine, see? I'd never use Claydol, even if I had all the right cards to make a great deck based on Claydol and recycling.

But I guess I can see why people DO want to win, if it's a "winning" strategy. I guess I just feel like people are forgetting about the other parts of the game. Like. Fun. <_<; I have so much more fun playing a good, exciting game rather than just like winning in 8 turns. But I guess when you start going to like huge tournaments..yeah. I guess.

Thanks for all the opinions

 

[nardd]

In a game like Pokemon where there are good cards and bad cards, those good cards tend to be used by a majority of the opponents you face (thus making the "metagame"). To me, the originality comes from which cards you base your deck off of AND how you construct/play YOUR specific deck. Sure, a luxape deck isn't very original, but if you made it yourself and have an intimate relationship with your deck (hey, it happens), then you have proven to yourself that you are original.

Originality comes from you, not from everyone else. No one is making you use Claydol, but if it helps your deck (and it probably will), then use it! Just make sure you understand WHY you're using it, not just because everyone in this thread say it's a staple. I wouldn't really call claydol a "combo" or call a deck a "claydol deck" (unless it's only claydol in there haha)- it's more of a "tech" card that you put in your deck to raise its consistency and up your draw-power.

p.s. if you don't want your claydols, I'm interested in them :S

 

[Bane]

Everywhere I look its like "claydol deck" "claydol" "omg claydol" "claydol combo"...maybe it's just me being paranoid, and maybe it is, but I just don't get why it's so great. or why people say that.

Say you have Raichu X, Pikachu, and only one electric energies in your hand, with a fully charged up active Raichu ready to use all it's attacks. You can't use voltage shoot like that. But, you use Claydol's ability and put the Pikachu at the bottom of the deck, you will draw 4 cards(you can draw up to six). You pull out 2 more electric energies, and to boot, Electrivire and a night Maintenance. You can use Voltage shoot now.

Or say you're setting up. You have Beedrill in your hand with a grass energy or something, but not Kakuna, you're weedle's not doing much out there without them. You use that ability, pull out 5 cards after putting the grass energy at the bottom, and pull out another beedrill, another grass energy, 1 kakuna, a rare candy, and maybe a BTS, and some other card that might or might not help. Suddenly you go from weak set up, to strong set up. Infact, you could be laying down 60 damage with one energy that turn.

Heck, even if you don't get that much good stuff in that one time, you still will get SOMETHING. Cycling cards and stuff really will help you set up.

I don't know about the whole combo thing. I just play with a strategy, and I win fine. ):

Combos are strategy though :/ It takes time and thought to think of a good combo.

I like being original because it's a passion of mine. I hate being like everyone else. Like, I hate it. So much. When I see people wearing one of the shirts I have, I never wear that shirt again. It makes me mad. I guess it's just a pet peeve of mine, see? I'd never use Claydol, even if I had all the right cards to make a great deck based on Claydol and recycling.

And yet, the other shirts you wear...some one else wears some where in the world. Some where out there, they'll probably be a kid with the same exact deck as yours.

And other people love electric types themselves. You can't care that much about originality or you'll find yourself dull and unfulfilled.

But I guess I can see why people DO want to win, if it's a "winning" strategy. I guess I just feel like people are forgetting about the other parts of the game. Like. Fun. <_<; I have so much more fun playing a good, exciting game rather than just like winning in 8 turns. But I guess when you start going to like huge tournaments..yeah. I guess.

People are having fun :/ But it's also good to try to win, isn't it? It would be boring if no one cared a little bit to try to win.

And you would be surprised at some games....

Thanks for all the opinions

You're welcome.

 

[Fuday K.]

nardd;; xD I'd sell them to you if I knew how.

Say you have Raichu X, Pikachu, and only one electric energies in your hand, with a fully charged up active Raichu ready to use all it's attacks. You can't use voltage shoot like that. But, you use Claydol's ability and put the Pikachu at the bottom of the deck, you will draw 4 cards(you can draw up to six). You pull out 2 more electric energies, and to boot, Electrivire and a night Maintenance. You can use Voltage shoot now.

Or say you're setting up. You have Beedrill in your hand with a grass energy or something, but not Kakuna, you're weedle's not doing much out there without them. You use that ability, pull out 5 cards after putting the grass energy at the bottom, and pull out another beedrill, another grass energy, 1 kakuna, a rare candy, and maybe a BTS, and some other card that might or might not help. Suddenly you go from weak set up, to strong set up. Infact, you could be laying down 60 damage with one energy that turn.

Heck, even if you don't get that much good stuff in that one time, you still will get SOMETHING. Cycling cards and stuff really will help you set up.

I don't know about the whole combo thing. I just play with a strategy, and I win fine. ):

Combos are strategy though :/ It takes time and thought to think of a good combo.

I like being original because it's a passion of mine. I hate being like everyone else. Like, I hate it. So much. When I see people wearing one of the shirts I have, I never wear that shirt again. It makes me mad. I guess it's just a pet peeve of mine, see? I'd never use Claydol, even if I had all the right cards to make a great deck based on Claydol and recycling.

And yet, the other shirts you wear...some one else wears some where in the world. Some where out there, they'll probably be a kid with the same exact deck as yours.

And other people love electric types themselves. You can't care that much about originality or you'll find yourself dull and unfulfilled.
People are having fun :/ But it's also good to try to win, isn't it? It would be boring if no one cared a little bit to try to win.

And you would be surprised at some games....

Thanks for all the opinions

You're welcome.

I dunno, I already have lots of cycling Support//Trainer cards in my deck. D:

): Then I guess i"ve just already made a combo in my head??? Mental combo?

Well of course, but I'm dumb like that. I can't change it, either.

I guess I'm just sort of...traumatized, in a way. I stopped playing for like 5 years and then I just recently got back into the game. I went to play at a tourney center in the next city down and the first and only game I played against was a guy younger than me with a whole Unown G//Genger//Claydol deck thing. He ignored me, barely talked to me, wouldn't look at me, and chatted with his friends about annoying, immature, and irritating things the entire time, not even giving the game a thought. It made me SO mad.
I've been going to the one in my city now and everyone is so much like..nicer and respectful and plays slowly, not just a blaze of blurry colors, like he did. And I guess that's another one of the reasons I don't like Claydol so much. THe overall expirence was just horrible. I went home and cried. It was really a bad thing to face. [This was right after I got into it, I didn't have any of the new cards or anything].

But yeah, I heard him talking about this site, and I figured there must be more of people like him out here. I guess it's generalising and I really am trying to not feel like that, because I've met some VERY nice people here, but I always have my doubts, and I think whenever I see Claydol, I will feel angry.
Sort of like he wrecked my expirence in coming back, you know? You get what I mean right?

Please don't take offense to any of this.

 

[Bane]

I dunno, I already have lots of cycling Support//Trainer cards in my deck. D:

But this is constant, and you can only use one Supporter per turn(unless you have some poke-powers or attacks that allow for you to use one).

): Then I guess I"ve just already made a combo in my head??? Mental combo?

Combos are things you think of before hand, and later initiate. How you adapt to something using that combo or some variation of it, will effect the game later.

Well of course, but I'm dumb like that. I can't change it, either.

Down talking yourself doesn't help... Things happen... I have trouble using some cards because they annoy me. I never use Medicham because it annoys the heck out of me. However, I also dislike Pikachu ALOT. Yet, here I am using it in a deck. Yeah...I have to use that to use Raichu, which is amazing, but still...

Please don't take offense to any of this.

I think people are just confused about what you're saying. Claydol was used by that person to speed up his deck, and it's the same for everyone else who uses it.

It may annoy you now, but maybe if you use it yourself, you'll learn to accept it as part of the game. That, and it will be rotated out eventually, so eh.

 

[Medaforcer]

Very simply, claydol is not a part of someone's "strategy" really. IT is simply a drawing card, just like many trainers and supporters. It is needed to help your strategy get into play and keep running. The claydol itself doesn't really provide and unexpected role in a deck, it just helps it run.

You're just looking at it the wrong way.

 

[esperante]

I use claydol in my decks because I really actually care; about winning.

 

[Fuday K.]

Yeah but people have won before without Claydol.
You guys don't get what I"m saying ;_;

*gives up*

 

[FireMeowth]

I use claydol in my decks because I really actually care; about winning.

I lol'd.


...Anyways, I don't use Claydol. Of course it's really good and usable in most decks, but I use the Pokémon I like. And Claydol isn't one of them. I think it's ugly (especially the Great Encounters-Claydol), and therefore, I won't use it. ^-^
And yes, I still win a fair share of my matches.

(Besides, the game isn't about winning. It's about... having fun.. and... getting new friends... and... something corny like that (it's true, though).)

 

[cheetor586]

Unfortunately, using a Pokemon just because you're passionate about it often equates to a loss, unless you're passionate about a really powerful Pokemon, as said above. There are decks that don't need Claydol to succeed (I didn't use Claydol in my AMU deck) but by and large, most decks NEED Claydol to get the draw power to get a quick set-up as stated above. Think about it this way, decks aren't based around Claydol, Claydol is most simply a tech that allows a deck to run at it's full potential. It's like really good motor oil or really good grade gasoline. Sure it's expensive and seems gratuitous, but if you really want the machine (your deck) to run as smoothly as it can, you'll put it in there. I would also advise you to keep an open mind, if you have some Claydol, try it out in your deck and see how it runs. If you don't have any, test out a build on Redshark or something, you never know how good your deck will be until you test it out with a bunch of different variants and find the best one.

 

[Bane]

There are decks that don't need Claydol to succeed (I didn't use Claydol in my AMU deck) but by and large, most decks NEED Claydol to get the draw power to get a quick set-up as stated above.

Some decks actually NEED Claydol to keep up with other decks, because others can be so fast. Some SP decks, and currently, my electric deck, would probably completely outrun most decks without Claydol, just because I can get it going that fast with them, and they wouldn't be able to get enough cards fast enough. Most of my things are set up by turn 2, and by turn 3, I'm almost only lacking one card or everything is set up :/

Imagine trying to build up the pokemon in your deck at a speed like that without being able to draw out two or more different cards each and every turn?

 

[Amt]

tl;dr.

Usually if you don't play Claydol or an Uxie, you're not going to win at a tournament unless your opponent doesn't either. Cosmic Powering every turn lets you get set up, rather than just waiting to topdeck something you need. Set Up does the same, but is usually more helpful early game. Claydol stays all game.

And really, if you think playing an amazing card in a deck isn't cool because everyone else is then you must not want to win. There's obviously a reason a card is used in a majority of competitive decks.

 

[Celebi23]

To be honest, I'd bet you that 90% of the people who win tournaments wouldn't be playing if it weren't for how good of a game this is and the friends they make. People like that have fun when they win, they don't have fun playing a Pikachu deck and ending up 0-4. I would have been gone three years ago if I were playing for the cards. And about that opponent you had, while that was by no means nice it can be extremely boring playing a deck that never sets up or does anything (no offense). I see no reason in not running Claydol in decks that need it - 60 cards is a lot. You need to draw through them and you should have room for 4 cards. Don't take offense from this, it's my opinion.