Card of the Day: Cobalion EX
Cobalion EX (Plasma Gale # 73) {10/03/12}
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I think this card has huge potential in its second attack. 2HKO literally anything under any circumstances. OHKOs garbodor and sigilyph. Can get rid of DCE and blends. I like this guy.
8/10 for function.
8/10 for art.
8/10 for function.
8/10 for art.
The first thing I think of when seeing this card is Klingklang. But Klingklang is outclassed as a whole by Hydreigon. If I was going to use an EX with Klingklang, I'd rather use Registeel, which I think outclasses Cobalion. The only thing that Cobalion can do is hit through Eviolite to 2HKO an EX, but as a whole I still think Registeel outclasses this in every other aspect.
5/10 for playability
9/10 for art. It is one of the cooler full arts that I've seen.
5/10 for playability
9/10 for art. It is one of the cooler full arts that I've seen.
One Approved said:
I disagree, I think the two are both different and co-existant to each other. And Early Registeel EX can tank and spread damage, then tank and 1-2 shot everything in sight with Cobalion EX. Registeel EX can't 2HKO a big EX, unlike Cobalion EX, but on the same token, Cobalion can't tank like Registeel EX can. They both have pros and cons, but IMO, Cobalion EX is better simply because of the fact that Cobalion can 2HKO Regsteel EX, but Registeel EX can't 2HKO back.
I think a lot of people that are saying this won't be good are mistaken. It's first attack alone is great. Most of the format uses/needs special energy in some way to be good. More than anything I think Cobalion is meant to be a Mewtwo counter like a lot of things coming out now seem to be. Discard special energy, then ignore their Eviolite and resist their XBalls etc. He's mostly going to be good with Klinklang though, and by good I mean TOO good. Those two as a combo are essentially an anti-metagame within themselves. Terrakion gets 2HKO'd from Edge into Bullet, and you may discard a special energy from them in the process which could be what they needed to attack. In the format being very EX heavy right now, and not really heading out of that direction anytime soon from the looks of things, not much else will be able to hit you. Bouffalant? Holy edge your DCE if its there and if not Steel Bullet for the kill. Kill your Sigilyph no matter what. The only thing this doesn't deal well with when paired with Klinklang is actually Bouffalant because if he hits first you're probably going to die. So I'm going to break CobalionEX down like this...
Playability(by himself)- 6.5 or 7
Playability(with Klinklang)- 10
Art- 5/10 on FA, 9/10 on regular
Playability(by himself)- 6.5 or 7
Playability(with Klinklang)- 10
Art- 5/10 on FA, 9/10 on regular
Dark Void said:
I was refering to a Klinklang deck, which is the reason I said they co-exist. You wouldn't put Cobalion EX into any other decks, because you can't splash him like Registeel EX, they can't co-exist if they aren't together. I wasn't talking about splash-ability. As for the Kyurem EX better than Groudon and Reshiram EX's. What? Kyurem beat them because of weakness, I don't think Cobalion EX hit's Registeel EX for weakness.
Registeel EX is more splashable, which makes him better thaan Cobalion EX, can spread, which Cobalion can't do, and resists more damage from attacks, but, only resists more if you're using his second attack, which is normal with Klinklang. Coblaion EX is better for a few reasons, One-shotting Bouffalant and Sigilyph, 2-shotting everything, getting rid of Blend, Prism, DCE, and Plasma energy, for one energy. Cobalion EX can actually do more damage, tank more, and KO more than Registeel, BUT isn't splashable like Registeel.Emopanda133 said:I was refering to a Klinklang deck, which is the reason I said they co-exist. You wouldn't put Cobalion EX into any other decks, because you can't splash him like Registeel EX, they can't co-exist if they aren't together. I wasn't talking about splash-ability. As for the Kyurem EX better than Groudon and Reshiram EX's. What? Kyurem beat them because of weakness, I don't think Cobalion EX hit's Registeel EX for weakness.
You pretty much hit the nail on the head. I think though that Cobalion not being as splashable might not matter in the long run with how good Cobalion will be when paired with Klinklang....it just looks so scary. Everything that's not EXes need such a drastic amount of energy to attack and considering Klinklang's health and weakness being something that's obscure to the current format, I worry about the format and other decks that won't be named Infernape.
Emopanda133 said:I was refering to a Klinklang deck, which is the reason I said they co-exist. You wouldn't put Cobalion EX into any other decks, because you can't splash him like Registeel EX, they can't co-exist if they aren't together. I wasn't talking about splash-ability. As for the Kyurem EX better than Groudon and Reshiram EX's. What? Kyurem beat them because of weakness, I don't think Cobalion EX hit's Registeel EX for weakness.
Weakness has literally nothing to do with this. Kyurem EX beats Groudon EX one on one. Therefore, by your logic Kyurem EX is better than Groudon EX, because Cobalion EX is better than Registeel EX due to it winning one on one. And still you're not getting the point; Registeel EX's second attack is bad. Don't use it. Metal also has no acceleration, so Klinklang+Coba isn't as good as Hydrei+Darkrai (Darkrai is also a better attacker in general and grants free retreat to your entire board, which is incredibly good). The only possible advantage Klinklang Cobalion could have is the new Klinklang, but that requires you to set up 2 of the same stage 2 (and believe it or not being in the same line hurts them; it means they have to KO less of the basic for your whole strategy to shut down) in exchange for every Hydreigon's attack being really good. Klinklang Cobalion will not be as good as Darkrai Hydreigon unless some other card not mentioned in this post comes out that helps it more.
Dark Void said:
wat.
No EXes will be able to hit ANY Metal Pokemon. Not just Klinklang, Cobalion as well. This means the only things with realistic chances of hitting it will be Terrakion, Sigilyph, and Bouffalant. Two of these get OHKOed by Steel Bullet. I don't see your point about them not being super good lol.
Did you read the part of my post where I said you needed to get up 2 different Klinklangs? That's really inconsistent. If you're just going to use the Plasma one, then you lack max potion and prize denial which basically causes you to lose vs any non EX attackers (Shiny Ray, Zekrom, Terrakion, the list goes on)
Dark Void said:
lol most of these arent common. look at the most common decks in the format, what of those decks are really that good? zekrom isnt popular, terrakion needs as much energy as you and if its a deck with no basic fightings(which isnt common, but still applies nonetheless) then they can be holy edged off, ray from DV is so decent he isnt even a worry, and lol the list goes on? not really. the scariest thing is zekrom because he accelerates his own attacking with Outrage.
more than anything, you're missing the point of the deck. if you get your opponent to have to attack with something that isnt their main attackers and also the best ones in the format(mewtwo, darkrai, quaza, registeel, even terrakionEX) and forcing them to use things that are only used as attackers as a last resort- then you're already putting yourself in the advantage by forcing them into a position to not be able to use their key attackers. once you do this you force them to waste resources to find the things they don't want to use as primary attackers. while terrakion is a great attacker, what do you use him for more regular attacking or revenge 90s(instakills on darkrai).
even if you arent using pure steel types as well, you can put diversions in their plans and then lay down things like mewtwo right away to put the hurt on something like terrakion, zekrom, etc.
Except you're pretending that Cobalion EX Klinklang are going to enter the meta, win a ton, and nobody will change their decks for them anyway. With Klinklang in the format every deck will be forced to run non-EX attackers or face an autoloss. It will change the meta, yes, and then it won't be very good because every deck will be able to beat it with their non-ex attackers, and the only thing it will be very good against are the ones who don't tech against it (and considering the techs are going to be potent cards following the main strategy anyway, I don't see why anyone wouldn't throw in non-EX versions of Rayquaza/Zekrom/Terrakion/Giratina/Keldeo/Cobalion. There's basically a highly splashable non-EX tech that can beat Cobalion EX+Klinklang for every common deck in the format.
Cobalion EX is nothing without klinklang.
This is my rating of cobalion EX:
4/10 playability
10/10 art
Klinklang makes this card invincible, so this
would be it's rating with klinklang
9/10 playability
10/10
It's art is really good.
This is my rating of cobalion EX:
4/10 playability
10/10 art
Klinklang makes this card invincible, so this
would be it's rating with klinklang
9/10 playability
10/10
It's art is really good.