Colorless M Rayquaza EX / Shaymin EX

[Camoclone]

The eggs don't matter if it's the Rayquazas they're killing. With each KOed Ray, you lose firepower. With 2 of them KOed, you no longer OHKO.
A smart MMan player will Lysandre your benched non-eggs mons (possibly Shaymin) and KO them with whatever they paired MMan with. That way, not only they take prizes, but they also make you lose firepower in the process.
Don't forget Giant Cape exists

Lets assume you play a 4-3 M-Rayquaza line, 4 Shaymin, and 3 Eggs. That's 11 Basic Pokemon that can be put on the bench. If they KO 2 Rayquaza EX then you have 9 Basic Pokemon available. Let's just assume 1 is prized and you don't play anymore Pokemon (most play more). That's 1 active Pokemon and 7 Pokemon on the bench. You are still dealing a magic 210 with Emerald Break. You also always have Trump Card if you need it. If the M-Manectric player decides to target things on the bench then you simply roll them with M-Rayquaza.

What would you fill the space with? For what match-ups? I can't really think of anything worse than that. Against Yveltal, you can OHKO with 3 Energy so they can't Evil Ball for that much. Against Fairies and Seismitoad, well there isn't really a lot to do. Against Virgen, the match-up is actually pretty good as far as my experience goes. Against metal, you just out-speed badly. Against Groudon, they need 2 Strong Energy to OHKO, but by the time that happens you should be able to have 2-3 ready M Rays.

You could try to improve your Seismitoad or Safeguard matchup as much as possible or just devote the space to more speed.

 

[Vom]

The thing is if they go after something they make you lose firepower and suddenly you don't OHKO anymore. Even if you do get out another mon, they can just OHKO back the Rayquaza you just used to KO their Manetric. And then you don't OHKO anymore again.

How would you possibly improve your Seismitoad match-up? This deck out-speeds can OHKOs Seismitoad all day. Terrakion helps against Safeguard :v. About the speed...it doesn't really get faster than that.

Anyways, the Terrakion thing was just an idea, I find it possibly good, you find it not-so-good. To each their own. Besides, we've yet to see if MMan will actually be a big deal or not.

 

[Camoclone]

How would you possibly improve your Seismitoad match-up? This deck out-speeds can OHKOs Seismitoad all day.

Seismitoad is actually a really bad matchup for this deck unless you are playing a direct counter. The item lock and hammer spam is just too much for this deck. You may get an attack off early but Seimitoad oriented decks can generally prevent you from doing much more than that. Virizion EX helps against most Seismitoad variants.

About the speed...it doesn't really get faster than that.

I've had trouble keeping up the insane speed when I deviate from Straight Rayquaza more than 1 or 2 cards. With only 2 cards that I consider "techs" I can consistently pull off a turn 1 240. When I make the deck more techy it becomes a lot more clunky.

Terrakion helps against Safeguard :v.

If only it OHKO'd Suicune. :/

 

[bbninjas]

I can imagine Raichu as a good addition that can 1-hit KO safeguarders, as well as be teched for mirror matches. Also, does Archie + Empoleon seem like a viable option? With the amount of cards you'd empty from your hand, I can imagine possibly getting a hand of 0 is not uncommon.

 

[RequiemCrysis]

I can imagine Raichu as a good addition that can 1-hit KO safeguarders, as well as be teched for mirror matches. Also, does Archie + Empoleon seem like a viable option? With the amount of cards you'd empty from your hand, I can imagine possibly getting a hand of 0 is not uncommon.

Raichu seems good tech. Empoleon seems gimmicky, but if you consider water type tech pokemons, I can say it definitely works.

 

[DarkMatterGaming]

Thinking more on it, and reading over this more, Jynx wouldn't be too good; I'll probably experiment with it regardless.

Alternatively, if you're running Eggs in the first place, why not a tech of PlF Leafeon? It helps the Toad match-up a lot and fills a bench space.

 

[TheStrictNein]

Hmm, Leafeon is not a bad shout. Also useful against PGroudon matchups if Skyfield is taken down.

The low retreat cost of M Rayquaza EX kinda mitigates the damage done by Lysandre.

I'd say Rayquaza/Shaymin/Leafeon could be pretty powerful.

 

[Raagentreg]

What's the opinion of Exeggutor PLF under good additions to this deck? I'm relatively new to the game and all, but doesn't that help the toad matchup significantly? Or does the lack of muscle bands/silver bangles let it down? And is it complete deadweight in other matchups?

 

[Elbow]

Anyone heard of the fighting variant of the deck? It runs landorus, Landorus EX, and hawlucha and fighting energy to counter electric.
It works well with the deck because everything either costs 1-2 energy and has a lot of good matchups, including Toad which is usually bad.

 

[lrodjrod]

Anyone heard of the fighting variant of the deck? It runs landorus, Landorus EX, and hawlucha and fighting energy to counter electric.
It works well with the deck because Everything either costs 1-2 energy and has a lot of good matchups, including Toad which is usually bad.

Honestly, Altaria seems way better than investing into fighting attackers.
it only cost 4 spots compared to the insane amount you have to commit to w/ fighting. I can see atleast 8-10 spots being filled.
Altaria is way more consistent, you can evolve in one turn (Winoia as a one of, or whatever you can manage to do)
The main focus of the rayquaza-ex deck is the get t1 and t2 kills, breaking the games rules and managing to push 240 damage each turn, consistently.
Taking it up with fighting just to do something altaria can do is pointless.
And if you want to talk about the tempo game, rayquaza always win because of the delta and mega turbo.

 

[PikachuTCGO]

I think the best way to use the new colorless support is using the xerneas aromatisse engine with skyfield there will be no problems of getting stuck with the resources.

 

[totodile_it_down]

It helps against Toad and Donphan although you should already beat Donphan.

Winona is not actually as useful as it may seem. You can likely get 3 Pokemon by playing any other supporter as well (This becomes even easier if you play Eggs). At almost every stage in the game you would rather play another supporter. It just doesn't seem that useful to me.

Against Mega Tric you just attempt to out-speed it since you can Mega Evolve T1. They OHKO but so you OHKO them so it is a fairly even prize trade. I don't think a direct counter is worth it.

Camo, you've obviously put a lot of though into this deck already, but I respectfully disagree about Winona (I think ). Given the draw power Shaymin offers, and Winona's ability to go and grab multiples of him if needed, I don't think her value can be ignored. Not to mention she allows you to run a 1-1 Altaria that immediately sets up if your opponent shows Lightning types, or to simply grab both Rayquazas if the situation calls for it.

I also noticed that you run 4 Ultra Ball. What is the benefit of that over 4 Battle Compressor? Compressor seems to be a more efficient way to dump resources to later be reused via Mega Turbo, VS Seeker, and Propogation. Which leads me to my final suggestion: Revive. Seems like it could be a clutch way to get a lost Pokemon on the bench for a key KO, or to retrieve your Knocked Out Virizion without relying on Trump Card. I don't think it's necessarily something you'd play a high quantity of, but a 1-of seems useful in theory.

I'm very excited to start testing all of these ideas on PTCGO and in league. Thanks for all the help already!

 

[Camoclone]

I also noticed that you run 4 Ultra Ball. What is the benefit of that over 4 Battle Compressor? Compressor seems to be a more efficient way to dump resources to later be reused via Mega Turbo, VS Seeker, and Propogation.

4 Ultra Ball just allows you to chain Shaymin incredibly well. I think I would even say that 4 Ultra is absolutely required in this deck. There is almost never a situation where you don't want an Ultra Ball (especially since you play Eggs). Compressor is also good in this deck but I don't think 4 is required. You really only need 1 or 2 Battle Compressors to get things into the discard. 3 Compressor will probably be enough especially with the sheer draw power of this deck.

 

[DarkMatterGaming]

Question: has anyone played around with the idea of a Bronzong line in case you don't have access to Virizion EX?

Skyfield gives you more than enough space to play a couple Bronzor, Wally can nab at least one Bronzong for immediate attach, Compressor discards Eggs, Metal, etc. meaning that there'd be no 'dead' play, you aren't overly reliant on Double Colorless (and Aegislash EX doesn't cap you in the knees)...

I can probably write up an entire list; I'm super fascinated to see if this'd fly.

 

[lrodjrod]

Question: has anyone played around with the idea of a Bronzong line in case you don't have access to Virizion EX?

Skyfield gives you more than enough space to play a couple Bronzor, Wally can nab at least one Bronzong for immediate attach, Compressor discards Eggs, Metal, etc. meaning that there'd be no 'dead' play, you aren't overly reliant on Double Colorless (and Aegislash EX doesn't cap you in the knees)...

I can probably write up an entire list; I'm super fascinated to see if this'd fly.

The concept of the deck is to rush down your opponent with consistency. You only have 60 cards in your deck, you don't have 80 cards because you have 8 bench spaces now.
investing slots into a consistency deck makes it more clunky. Mega Turbo is more than enough of energy acceleration, due to to cards like trump card and cpu search.

 

[TheStrictNein]

I have to agree with the point made that once you start including a bunch of tech Pokemon you'd have to switch in to counter specific threats, you may as well use a different main attacker.

Ideally, in an MRayray deck, the only attacker should be MRayray 99% of the time. Every other card should either speed the process of getting it out up or prevent other decks passively.

 

[aqlno]

I have to agree with the point made that once you start including a bunch of tech Pokemon you'd have to switch in to counter specific threats, you may as well use a different main attacker.

Ideally, in an MRayray deck, the only attacker should be MRayray 99% of the time. Every other card should either speed the process of getting it out up or prevent other decks passively.

I agree with this point completely. The only thing that worries me is the Safeguard matchup. Are M Ray decks supposed to just take an autoloss against Suicune or Sygiliph? I'm not looking forward to the day that I have to 4hKO a Suicune with an Altaria.

 

[totodile_it_down]

4 Ultra Ball just allows you to chain Shaymin incredibly well. I think I would even say that 4 Ultra is absolutely required in this deck. There is almost never a situation where you don't want an Ultra Ball (especially since you play Eggs). Compressor is also good in this deck but I don't think 4 is required. You really only need 1 or 2 Battle Compressors to get things into the discard. 3 Compressor will probably be enough especially with the sheer draw power of this deck.

I guess this slight disagreement can be chalked up to our different opinions on Winona.

I opened up 126 online booster packs of RSK, and 40 of the 5-card packs I bought with my coins, and I managed to only pull 1 M Rayquaza. So I guess I'll be waiting a little longer to test these ideas out.

 

[lrodjrod]

I agree with this point completely. The only thing that worries me is the Safeguard matchup. Are M Ray decks supposed to just take an autoloss against Suicune or Sygiliph? I'm not looking forward to the day that I have to 4hKO a Suicune with an Altaria.

Regigigas from Phanthom Forces
Tornadus from LTR
Altaria

 

[tototavros]

I agree with this point completely. The only thing that worries me is the Safeguard matchup. Are M Ray decks supposed to just take an autoloss against Suicune or Sygiliph? I'm not looking forward to the day that I have to 4hKO a Suicune with an Altaria.

I'm sure there'd be plenty of time to run a 1-1 or 2-2 Raichu