~I have permission from PMJ to pick this thread back up n_n~
All right, it's time for another exciting round of Counter That Pokemon! Hooray! (Does anyone want to make a banner?)
"Golly, One Approved, what's that?"
I'll tell you, good user! Counter That Pokemon is a way to help improve your teams, disguised as a game! Holy smokes, that sounds like a great time for everyone. Once a week (or more frequently if discussion dies down), I will post a Pokemon set that you, dear user, must do your best to counter. If your Pokemon counters the chosen Pokemon, you will gain two points! The poster of the best counter will receive a two-point bonus! That's four points! Amazing! However, if your Pokemon is just a check, you will receive only a single point. How sad.
"But One Approved, I want four points. :< What is the difference between a check and a counter?"
Glad you asked! ...but I'll get to that in a bit.
Rules:
1. Obey the forum rules at all times. Forum rules supersede these rules whenever applicable.
2. One counter per user.
3. No duplicating counters. (Counters using the same Pokemon are allowed but the sets must be explicitly different and not simply the same Pokemon with a different coverage move(s) slashed on).
4. Counters must be fully posted - this means that EVs, moves, nature, and ability must be included. IVs must be included only if they are relevant to the set, such as with specific Hidden Powers or slow sets. Otherwise all IVs are assumed to be 31. Sprites are highly, highly encouraged. Use this to cheat:
5. Your sets must be viable in OverUsed play. Sets will be considered based on overall viability, not in a vacuum. This is because the aim of this game is to educate on good counters for good Pokemon that go on good teams, not gimmicks that have no competitive value or an obscure niche.
So you asked what the difference is between a check and a counter. Here you go:
-To be considered a counter, a Pokemon must be able to switch into any of the opponent's moves under normal battle conditions, including taking damage from Stealth Rock, and reliably KO the opponent before the counter is KOed itself.
-To be considered a check, a Pokemon must be able to switch into at least one - but not all - of the opponent's moves under normal battle conditions, including taking damage from Stealth Rock, and reliably KO the opponent before the counter is KOed itself.
Additional things you should know:
-Deal with status conditions as follows: You will wake up after two turns of sleeping and you will hit three out of four times while paralyzed. Obviously, you can still attack while poisoned and burned (but make sure to factor them into your calculations!), and you can't attack while frozen.
-Assume multiple hit moves (Bullet Seed, Icicle Spear, etc) hit three times, barring any modifications like the Skill Link ability.
(thanks Bippa)
"What do normal battle conditions mean?"
For the purposes of this project, normal battle conditions mean:
-Stealth Rock is up on the counter's (your) side of the field.
-Stealth Rock is not up on the featured Pokemon's (opponent's) side of the field.
The weather is handled as follows:
-If no weather is listed, the weather is assumed to be clear skies unless the counter has the ability Sand Stream, Snow Warning, Drizzle, or Drought.
-If the Pokemon to be countered can change the weather when a counter with a weather-changing ability comes in, the weather is situational and should be analyzed as such. For example, if the featured Pokemon is Drought Ninetales with Sunny Day and you list Politoed as your counter, you should evaluate the situation with two possiblities, rain or sun.
-If the Pokemon to be countered has a move such as Thunder, Hurricane, Solarbeam or Blizzard, assume the favorable weather for the move.
(thanks Bippa)
Here is a damage calculator. I would suggest using it in trying to Counter That Pokemon.
Current Round
[animate]gengar[/animate]
Gengar @Black Sludge
Trait: Levitate
Timid nature
28 HP/128 SpAtk/80 SpDef/252 Spe
~Substitute
~Shadow Ball
~Will-o-Wisp
~Disable
Round ends: 10/15
All right, it's time for another exciting round of Counter That Pokemon! Hooray! (Does anyone want to make a banner?)
"Golly, One Approved, what's that?"
I'll tell you, good user! Counter That Pokemon is a way to help improve your teams, disguised as a game! Holy smokes, that sounds like a great time for everyone. Once a week (or more frequently if discussion dies down), I will post a Pokemon set that you, dear user, must do your best to counter. If your Pokemon counters the chosen Pokemon, you will gain two points! The poster of the best counter will receive a two-point bonus! That's four points! Amazing! However, if your Pokemon is just a check, you will receive only a single point. How sad.
"But One Approved, I want four points. :< What is the difference between a check and a counter?"
Glad you asked! ...but I'll get to that in a bit.
Rules:
1. Obey the forum rules at all times. Forum rules supersede these rules whenever applicable.
2. One counter per user.
3. No duplicating counters. (Counters using the same Pokemon are allowed but the sets must be explicitly different and not simply the same Pokemon with a different coverage move(s) slashed on).
4. Counters must be fully posted - this means that EVs, moves, nature, and ability must be included. IVs must be included only if they are relevant to the set, such as with specific Hidden Powers or slow sets. Otherwise all IVs are assumed to be 31. Sprites are highly, highly encouraged. Use this to cheat:
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[img]http://www.pkparaiso.com/imagenes/xy/sprites/animados/pokemonnamehere.gif[/img]So you asked what the difference is between a check and a counter. Here you go:
-To be considered a counter, a Pokemon must be able to switch into any of the opponent's moves under normal battle conditions, including taking damage from Stealth Rock, and reliably KO the opponent before the counter is KOed itself.
-To be considered a check, a Pokemon must be able to switch into at least one - but not all - of the opponent's moves under normal battle conditions, including taking damage from Stealth Rock, and reliably KO the opponent before the counter is KOed itself.
Additional things you should know:
-Deal with status conditions as follows: You will wake up after two turns of sleeping and you will hit three out of four times while paralyzed. Obviously, you can still attack while poisoned and burned (but make sure to factor them into your calculations!), and you can't attack while frozen.
-Assume multiple hit moves (Bullet Seed, Icicle Spear, etc) hit three times, barring any modifications like the Skill Link ability.
(thanks Bippa)
"What do normal battle conditions mean?"
For the purposes of this project, normal battle conditions mean:
-Stealth Rock is up on the counter's (your) side of the field.
-Stealth Rock is not up on the featured Pokemon's (opponent's) side of the field.
The weather is handled as follows:
-If no weather is listed, the weather is assumed to be clear skies unless the counter has the ability Sand Stream, Snow Warning, Drizzle, or Drought.
-If the Pokemon to be countered can change the weather when a counter with a weather-changing ability comes in, the weather is situational and should be analyzed as such. For example, if the featured Pokemon is Drought Ninetales with Sunny Day and you list Politoed as your counter, you should evaluate the situation with two possiblities, rain or sun.
-If the Pokemon to be countered has a move such as Thunder, Hurricane, Solarbeam or Blizzard, assume the favorable weather for the move.
(thanks Bippa)
Here is a damage calculator. I would suggest using it in trying to Counter That Pokemon.
Current Round
[animate]gengar[/animate]
Gengar @Black Sludge
Trait: Levitate
Timid nature
28 HP/128 SpAtk/80 SpDef/252 Spe
~Substitute
~Shadow Ball
~Will-o-Wisp
~Disable
Round ends: 10/15
Round 1: LO Greninja countered by Sylveon
Round 2: Mega Manectric countered by Hippowdon
Round 3: LO Latios countered by Ferrothorn
Round 4: DD Mega Gyarados countered by Ferrothorn
Round 5: CB Azumarill countered by Venusaur
Round 2: Mega Manectric countered by Hippowdon
Round 3: LO Latios countered by Ferrothorn
Round 4: DD Mega Gyarados countered by Ferrothorn
Round 5: CB Azumarill countered by Venusaur
Keeper of Night - 18
Equinox - 9
dmaster - 8
Professor Paulena - 6
AlexanderTheAwesome - 5
Chaos Jackal - 4
Ddogtheking - 3
Cinesra - 2
His Goominess - 2
TwistedTurtwig - 2
hawk5678 - 2
bacon - 1
MtheW - 1
Momaster12 - 1
Equinox - 9
dmaster - 8
Professor Paulena - 6
AlexanderTheAwesome - 5
Chaos Jackal - 4
Ddogtheking - 3
Cinesra - 2
His Goominess - 2
TwistedTurtwig - 2
hawk5678 - 2
bacon - 1
MtheW - 1
Momaster12 - 1
. But tyranitar is a solid counter due to how little damage it takes from any of Manectric's attacks, and its ability to threaten immediate damage output. It would have gotten 2 points.
