Dark Explorers Lackluster?

@TPZ
Probably Bisharp/Mandibuzz or something. Possibly Absol Prime. Other than Zoroark, Dark doesn't have much going for it pokemon-wise unless you want to add in Stage 2s like Krookodile, Hydreigon, or Tyrannitar Prime.

EDIT: Now that I've read some of the posts on here, IMO Darkness may have a fighting chance. Mainly being because Zoroark can easily do 120 Damage per turn and its a Stage 1. It requires little to no engine that has to be on the field, unlike Zekrom and Eelektrik. It's Darkness Claw and PlusPower will help it rack up damage fast, and its attacks are fueled through Dark Patch and DCE. Plus it has alot of wiggle room for techs, may they be Absol Prime, Mandibuzz, which works well with Absol Prime and Mew Prime (why not throw that in there), or that Bisharp that can hit hard along with Absol Prime. In fact it may be better to just revolve around Absol and tech in Bisharp, Mew, and Mandibuzz. This set will open up a whole new engine that makes new decks possible, which I think the metagame really needs.
 
TPZ said:
Does anyone even know what Pokemon would be in a Dark Toolbox Deck? The new Zoroark, most likely, and Darkrai EX, but what else?
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Mostly just Darkrai EX, Zoroark, and Tornadus EX. I think people might also use Sableye just for consistency, but don't quote me on that.
 
Even though there won't be some meta defining card like Mewtwo, it still looks to be a good set. About half the EXes are playable, fossil pokemon become more playable thanks to Twist Mountain, we get Random Receiver, Crash Hammer, Ultra Ball, Darkness Patch, and Darkness Claw (all solid trainers), and there are a couple of good regular Pokemon as well (Empoleon immediately comes to mind).

Another thing people are overlooking is that Dark Rush was only a ~70 card set whereas Dark Explorers is a ~100 card set. I doubt those 30 cards are all just lame japanese promo fillers. Some of the cards will probably come from the dragon sets which have some very playable stuff in them.
 
I'm not sure if there are that many strong Dark-type contenders to make {D} toolbox.dek feasible. They would probably have to run Tornadus or something else that resists Fighting to cover up the terrible weakness (Darkrai EX? Not after Land Crush) and even so I am not sure if it has enough raw power to keep going.

But we'll see.


dirupti said:
I can't wait for the Dark type rouges.
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Broken Pokemon EX said:
I doubt those 30 cards are all just lame japanese promo fillers. Some of the cards will probably come from the dragon sets which have some very playable stuff in them.
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The rest of the set will most likely be cards from the Reshiram-EX/Zekrom-EX decks and the Tornadus/Thundurus Gift Set.
 
JU
 
That is precisely why I deleated that comment when I did, and avoided posting comments during my head aches sense. God, I need to work on my excuses. True as they are, they're still lame and I know it. :p The Rouge card is terriblely broken. :)
 
In Japanese metagame with BW4,

Overused - Darkrai EX, Tornadus EX
Rarelyused - Groudon EX, Raikou EX
Neverused - Entei EX, Kyogre EX
 
I figured both Darkrai and Tornadus to be getting a lot of use, but I didn't expect them to be even near overused.
 
Futachimaru said:
Why are you so scared of Zebstrika. Answer that first, since it isn't really a stellar card.
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Because it kills Stage 2 decks with Disconnect, you can get it off by Turn 2-3 which forces your Opponent to play Stage 1's to get to their Stage 2 shutting off their access to
Rare Candy. You can KO Zebstrika easily with Terrakion however it needs to be early game otherwise you won't have that tempo advantage in your favor. Even If you bring up Terrakion out to KO their Zebstrika they can just get around it with Mewtwo EX.

MagEels needs Terrakion to compete besides just Mewtwo EX, in other words pretty much every Stage 2 deck should run Terrakion to get around Eel Variants besides 2 Mewtwo EX. Then again Stage 2's aren't fast enough to compete in the current format anymore, Empoleon might change that but it's very reliant on getting loads of Basics out early game like with Pichu's Playground.
 
Card Slinger J said:
Because it kills Stage 2 decks with Disconnect, you can get it off by Turn 2-3 which forces your Opponent to play Stage 1's to get to their Stage 2 shutting off their access to
Rare Candy. You can KO Zebstrika easily with Terrakion however it needs to be early game otherwise you won't have that tempo advantage in your favor. Even If you bring up Terrakion out to KO their Zebstrika they can just get around it with Mewtwo EX.
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Zebstrika is a not a good card at all. This format is Basic and Stage-1 filled not because of Zebstrika, but because Basics and Stage 1's are just much better than Stage 2's. They are faster. Zebstrika is not the result of the Stage 2 downfall.

Against any other deck, Zebstrika suffers from lackluster HP and a really low damage output.
 
Futachimaru said:
Zebstrika is a not a good card at all. This format is Basic and Stage-1 filled not because of Zebstrika, but because Basics and Stage 1's are just much better than Stage 2's. They are faster. Zebstrika is not the result of the Stage 2 downfall.

Against any other deck, Zebstrika suffers from lackluster HP and a really low damage output.
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True but I think we both agree that Stage 2's are dead in this format (except for Typhlosion in TyRam) and Rare Candy is not as good as it used to be, it never should of gotten errated in the first place though I sort of understand the arguments of how it would of made Truth, Magnezone, and Vileplume a bit overpowered.

The issue isn't the errata on Rare Candy, the issue is the power creep of dominating Basic Pokemon overshadowing Stage 2's right now. Over the years Basics especially the most common Basics being Legendary Pokemon have set the bar to a high that has made the game somewhat unbalanced, perhaps unbalanced to a degree that we probably need to start errating or banning cards for the Modified format but don't go all Yu-Gi-Oh! banhammer with it.
 
venasour x said:
What set is it from? The only Sableye I know is from UD and it doesn't do that.
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It's going to be in Dark Explorers, lolololol
 
Turns out this set isn't lackluster afterall, Darkrai EX and Tornadus EX are definitely worth buying a box for this set. I didn't realize just how good Darkrai EX was that it gives free retreat to ANY Pokemon with a Dark energy attached. That is AMAZING!!!

Tornadus EX will help Eels survive in the format cause Quad Terrakion (a.k.a. Terrakion/Landorus) is going to be a Tier 1 deck because it's the Anti-Metagame deck of the format. That with the other good cards in this set, yeah turns out I overestimated this set ALOT. :D
 
How does Tornadus EX help against Terrakion at all? Tornadus EX is 2HKOing Terrakion, Terrakion is 3HKOing Tornadus EX. That means in 6 turns the Tornadus EX player will have taken 3 prizes and the Terrakion EX player will have taken 4. Even if you have an Eviolite attached to Tornadus EX its still only an even prize trade.
 
Card Slinger J said:
Turns out this set isn't lackluster afterall, Darkrai EX and Tornadus EX are definitely worth buying a box for this set. I didn't realize just how good Darkrai EX was that it gives free retreat to ANY Pokemon with a Dark energy attached. That is AMAZING!!!

Tornadus EX will help Eels survive in the format cause Quad Terrakion (a.k.a. Terrakion/Landorus) is going to be a Tier 1 deck because it's the Anti-Metagame deck of the format. That with the other good cards in this set, yeah turns out I overestimated this set ALOT. :D
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After 3 pages of people telling you this exact thing, you only just realize this?

And Tornadus EX will be very bad in Eels, they manage fine without it right now. The only deck it would be used in would be Darkrai.dek and MTC, as 100 hits a lot more magic numbers than 80.
 
Yeah, before rotation CMT can now hit for 100 turn 1, which is absolutely bonkers. Now even more donks. Might as well have less Mewtwo so you can have more Tornadus AND Tornadus-EX.
 
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