Darkrai EX vs. Zoroark

Serperior said:
Yeah, Reshiram EX doesn't see much play, but Zekrom EX, Mewtwo EX, Raikou EX and Tornadus EX will/do. Foul Playing a hard-hitting attack to put a huge dent in an EX is fantastic. Two Prizes.
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Here is the thing though, Zoroark DE already does more damage than Mewtwo (usually), Raikou, and Tornadus. Zoroark BW and Zoroark DE both 2HKO the EXs. I can see the viability of teching in one Zoroark BW if you can find the room, but never more than that.

As far as I can tell, Zekrom EX is actually pretty bad in Zekeels. It does the same thing as Zekrom, but gives two prizes and has a fatter retreat/attack cost.
 
iisnumber12 said:
Zoroark BW can OHKO Reshiram and Zekrom EX with a Sp. Dark and a Dark Claw.
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It doesn't matter, no one uses those cards competitively anymore. It would do well against a Mewtwo lv X if you're struggling to maintain a big bench. You can us Psydrive which deals 120 (base) + possibly 20 from SP dark energies + 20 from Dark claw + 10 from plus power which will KO the Mewtwo lv X and you can then discard a dark energy forcing them to attach 5 energies to return the KO (near impossible). If you can't KO Mewtwo ex in one turn, you'd still deal 140. Then they will retreat and KO Zoroark with another Pokemon. Then you bring up Darkrai ex and spread 30 for the KO on Mewtwo ex.

Anyway, as an answer to this thread, neither of them are better than each other, they clearly complement each other and you'd be stupid to not recognise that. Given you one scenario above and there must be plenty more where it can help.
 
Dark Rush or Dark.dec works great if you run both. Maybe just one or two Darkria, but Darkria is a great card to run in any deck with Dark support. Giving free retreat, having a snipe attack, ectra. just makes it almost a no-brainer to run in a dark deck. However, I do believe you theoretically could run a Zoroark based deck without Darkria. I don't think it would be as good though.
 
EliGagerNorris said:
Here is the thing though, Zoroark DE already does more damage than Mewtwo (usually), Raikou, and Tornadus. Zoroark BW and Zoroark DE both 2HKO the EXs.
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Zoroark BW copies Raikou to snipe Eelektriks and other thing that Darkrai can spine later (I.E. Thundarus Tornadus and Zekrom). By the by. Dark claw doesn't increase your power if you attack the bench (same with special darks). So you will need Darkrai.
 
Machamp the Champion said:
Zoroark BW copies Raikou to snipe Eelektriks and other thing that Darkrai can spine later
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Raikou shouldn't be dropped against Zoroark decks anyways. Tornadus-EX is much better for the matchup.
 
Futachimaru said:
Raikou shouldn't be dropped against Zoroark decks anyways. Tornadus-EX is much better for the matchup.
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I know. I was just saying to Eli that you should be using Zoroark BW against Raikou EX rather then Zoroark DE.
 
If you run both in some kind of Dark Toolbox deck, then this won't be an issue. :D
 
Vulpix Yolk said:
Straight Darkrai isn't very good either, although it is much better than Zoroark DE. Even with Dark Patch, it is astonishingly slow; not to mention you auto-lose to anything carrying an effectively placed Terrakion tech. Darkrai is a good attacker, but in no way can it be the only attacker in a deck. Right now, I am seeing Absol Prime, Darkrai EX and Zoroark B&W as the top dogs of dark decks. None of them function on their own, but they are by far the best dark type attackers in the format.
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You'd be surprised how fast Dark Patch really is with the ability to set up multiple attackers over the course of the game after Turn 2. Terrakion techs are a slight issue unless Darkrai plays Weavile to Claw Snag pieces out. Catchering around Terrakion and killing their Energy support can help while you set up attackers. I suggest trying out a deck out because you're not giving it enough credit.

Zoroark is a way too slow deck that relies more on setup than any Darkrai+Basic deck. Needing Collector and going first so you can get the T2 attack off is weak to me combined with the 100 HP especially. Being a Stage 1 makes it slower than an all Basic deck and will bog down your consistency and speed overall in any deck that it's played in. It also doesn't give any new things to a deck because it's still weak to Fighting/Terrakion/etc, so your type coverage ends up being weak.

dmaster out.
 
dmaster said:
Being a Stage 2 makes it slower than an all Basic deck and will bog down your consistency and speed overall in any deck that it's played in.
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Zoroark's a Stage 1 not a Stage 2. And even if that was just a typo, Stage 1's aren't that slow. Zorua DE may be one of the best parts about Zoroark, all you need is a Dark energy on T1 to get your stage 1 out. And 80% of the time, there's no way you can get a T1 Night Spear, even getting T1 Vicious Claw (Absol's attack if you forgot) is pretty hard.
 
Yes, that was a typo haha. :X Typed quickly to get the words I wanted out. While you're correct that Stage 1s are not really that slow (especially factoring in Ascension), you have to remember that that is your attack meaning he is vulnerable going into your opponent's next turn. Another issue is having a full bench of Dark Pokemon. Also factor in you're probably not going to go first _every single_ game and you have a deck that has less consistency in the first couple turns than if you were to have an all Basics deck (or Basic attackers). Certain Darkrai decks do have higher odds of getting the T1 attack, but that's honestly not the issue. Zoroark is far too frail to be using him as a vital part of a deck when many decks can deal with him easily.

dmaster out.
 
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