Darkrai/Hydreigon

[DeckSpecialist]

First of all most, I played dark-hydreigon about a year ago when this deck was top with the japanese tournement winners and everything. I really loved to build it again, only with a few changes now. The biggest problem this deck have in my opinion, is the big 1HKO attacks nowadays. Against a non 1hko deck i almost think im winning after turn 1

Pokemon 14

• 2 Hydreigon
• 1 Zweilous
• 3 Deino
• 3 Darkrai EX
• 1 Virizion EX
• 2 Sableye
• 1 Absol
• 1 Shaymin ex

Trainers 35

• 4 Professor Juniper
• 4 N
• 3 Skyla
• 2 Colress
• 2 Bicycle
• 3 Max Potion
• 3 Dark Patch
• 1 Super Rod
• 3 Ultra Ball
• 1 Level Ball
• 1 Computer Search (ace spec)
• 2 Dark Claw
• 1 Silver Bangle
• 2 Tool Scrapper
• 2 Rare Candy
• 1 Frozen City

Energy 11

• 4 Blend(grass)
• 7 Dark

Strategy

Strategy is to get hydreigon out ASAP. From that point on darkrai's only problem would be a 1HKO. All the other attacks are covered with max potion. Use ability hydreigon to swap energy for the free max potion use. get them back with sableye.
I also NighSpear with darkrai, 30 on a bench ex with 170HP( if mr mime isn't out there) than 140 attack with hydreigon to knock them out. people overlook hydreigons attack very often, or think i do.
virizion for affections(it works with blend)
sigilyph just to trouble my opponent.
shaymin ex for late play(which helpen me out a lot) and for latias decks.

only problem i think i have is 0 stadiums.

I am testing this deck for Europeon championships. Last tourney i went 7-1 so i was really happy with the results!

i would really love any input from anyone just to help me see things or help me at all with this deck.


Well, I hope my talking wasn't to difficult and my english wasn't to bad since i'm from Holland
any input highly appreciated!thnx

Edited to coincide with the rules! ~Kecleon

 

[Mora]

RE: Darkrai/Hydreigon

I would try to make room for Silver Bangle. Attach it to Hydreigon and all of a sudden your doing 170 with Dragonblast.

 

[DeckSpecialist]

RE: Darkrai/Hydreigon

I would try to make room for Silver Bangle. Attach it to Hydreigon and all of a sudden your doing 170 with Dragonblast.

I will look into that nice tip! What you think about silver mirror? Isn't playing 4 of those a plasma lock?Just wondering

 

[Mora]

RE: Darkrai/Hydreigon

I would try to make room for Silver Bangle. Attach it to Hydreigon and all of a sudden your doing 170 with Dragonblast.

I will look into that nice tip! What you think about silver mirror? Isn't playing 4 of those a plasma lock?Just wondering

In theory if you are able to play them down one at a time, yes, but the problem with that is you can't attach them to Darkrai, your main attacker, you're bound to have to ditch them at some point or else attach more than one at a time, they can possibly Catcher/Red Signal around it, and G Booster can go through Silver Mirror. But most importantly is that they're completely dead in other match ups and could have gone to something that would have helped in every match up. Given all of that, I think that if your main attacker wasn't an EX, if you could make room for three, it would be something to try. That's how I ran my Garchomp because there is a lot of Plasma in my area. Since the only real use I could see would be stalling while you Junk Hunt to get set up, I would just try it at one if anything and see how it goes.

 

[Ivy_Profen]

You should think about Frozen city as your stadium of choice. It pretty much ruins blastoise and emboar decks. Darkrai decks already run frozen city because they tend to dark patch over manual attaching anyway. This deck can also just attach anywhere after you have Hydreigon out and just move it around to your pokemon that actually attack. 2 is probably good enough, you dont really NEED to win stadium wars, just throw off your opponents strategy by a well timed frozen city. As this can throw off damage calculations with Laserbank.

You also need an Ace Spec it looks like. Probably Dowsing Machine would be best. Allows you to get more uses out of Supporters and stadiums. Though with a stage 2 deck and access to sableye to get items back, Comp Search is also a really good choice as it can help you set up and get you any card you need every turn after you play it.

Speaking of supporters, you may consider Random Receiver. While it doesn't work as good since you have Skyla in there. It does give you an out if you choose not to use Dowsing Machine. It allows you to at least get a supporter. Even skyla can help so you can grab one for next turn.

Things i would suggest taking out, pick a few of these. Colress, bicycle, max potion, dark energy, maybe eviolite. You may not need 2 colress. Bicycle isnt the best for decks that run evolutions as those pokemon can get stuck in you hand and you dont want to discard them and cant bicycle. 3 Max potions can be enough since you can junk hunt for them, same as dark patches. 12 energy is alot for this deck that recycles energy so well. a 7/4 split might be enough. I think in a similar deck i built i had 4 blend/4 prism, 3 dark. As my deck was more grass than dark. So you might be safe with just 7 dark energy. Eviolite isnt completely needed. I understand that the extra 20 damage reduction can save darkrai from certain doom and then max potion the damage away. But with so many tool scrappers, having something for defense isnt as reliable as a silver bangle or dark claw that you can take advantage of when you need it, instead of hoping they dont draw the tool scrapper so you can barely survive an attack. Not too many things hit for 180 that aren't able to hit for 200. Just something to think about.

 

[DeckSpecialist]

You should think about Frozen city as your stadium of choice. It pretty much ruins blastoise and emboar decks. Darkrai decks already run frozen city because they tend to dark patch over manual attaching anyway. This deck can also just attach anywhere after you have Hydreigon out and just move it around to your pokemon that actually attack. 2 is probably good enough, you dont really NEED to win stadium wars, just throw off your opponents strategy by a well timed frozen city. As this can throw off damage calculations with Laserbank.

You also need an Ace Spec it looks like. Probably Dowsing Machine would be best. Allows you to get more uses out of Supporters and stadiums. Though with a stage 2 deck and access to sableye to get items back, Comp Search is also a really good choice as it can help you set up and get you any card you need every turn after you play it.

Speaking of supporters, you may consider Random Receiver. While it doesn't work as good since you have Skyla in there. It does give you an out if you choose not to use Dowsing Machine. It allows you to at least get a supporter. Even skyla can help so you can grab one for next turn.

Things i would suggest taking out, pick a few of these. Colress, bicycle, max potion, dark energy, maybe eviolite. You may not need 2 colress. Bicycle isnt the best for decks that run evolutions as those pokemon can get stuck in you hand and you dont want to discard them and cant bicycle. 3 Max potions can be enough since you can junk hunt for them, same as dark patches. 12 energy is alot for this deck that recycles energy so well. a 7/4 split might be enough. I think in a similar deck i built i had 4 blend/4 prism, 3 dark. As my deck was more grass than dark. So you might be safe with just 7 dark energy. Eviolite isnt completely needed. I understand that the extra 20 damage reduction can save darkrai from certain doom and then max potion the damage away. But with so many tool scrappers, having something for defense isnt as reliable as a silver bangle or dark claw that you can take advantage of when you need it, instead of hoping they dont draw the tool scrapper so you can barely survive an attack. Not too many things hit for 180 that aren't able to hit for 200. Just something to think about.

Real thnx for this great input! I love the idea of frozen city and i def. Add them.
Also i would consider dropping the eviolite for dark claw/silver bangle.
I do play computer search already i must have made a mistake adding this list. I will update it later this day.
Also i am considering to drop sigilyph for absol, any thouhts about that?

 

[BlazikenBro]

It's a pretty good deck, except Dark Patch and Level Ball will soon not be able to be used, due to Dark Explorers and Next Destinies expansion cards probably won't be available to use. Are there any other cards from Dragons Exalted or any from Plasma expansions you might consider using? If so, I'd recommend Roserade, Masquerain, Leafeon, Scrafty, Scramble Switch or Crobat.

Hope this helps.

 

[Mora]

It's a pretty good deck, except Dark Patch and Level Ball will soon not be able to be used, due to Dark Explorers and Next Destinies expansion cards probably won't be available to use. Are there any other cards from Dragons Exalted or any from Plasma expansions you might consider using? If so, I'd recommend Roserade, Masquerain, Leafeon, Scrafty, Scramble Switch or Crobat.

Hope this helps.

Next Destinies and Dark Explorers are fair game for the foreseeable future. If there is a rotation, it will most likely be after Worlds in eight months.

 

[DeckSpecialist]

updated list:

-1 max potion
-1 sigilyph
-1 dark energy
-2 eviolite

+1 computer search
+1 dark claw
+1 silver bangle
+1 Absol
+1 frozen city

i still need to take 1 more card out for another frozen city, any thouht on that?
Also i'm not sure if i have enough draw cards. 2 colress is needed right? and also bicyle helped me out big time.

 

[DeckSpecialist]

Any tips for my upcoming europeon championships?

 

[Dark Espeon]

Hi DeckSpecialist,

Consider to loose Shaymin Ex for another Frozen City and also take out one Deino for a third Sableye.

 

[DeckSpecialist]

Hi DeckSpecialist,

Consider to loose Shaymin Ex for another Frozen City and also take out one Deino for a third Sableye.

Shaymin is Boss in lategame and I already used it a lot really!!
Im considering taking out 1 deino for frozen city or sableye. Not sure which one

 

[TuxedoBlack]

As a Blastoise-BKEX and RayBoar decks player, you will need more than 2 Frozen City to "win" the Stadium war...

 

[DeckSpecialist]

As a Blastoise-BKEX and RayBoar decks player, you will need more than 2 Frozen City to "win" the Stadium war...

I dont need to win a stadium war, a well timed lay down is good enough IMO

 

[TuxedoBlack]

As a Blastoise-BKEX and RayBoar decks player, you will need more than 2 Frozen City to "win" the Stadium war...

I dont need to win a stadium war, a well timed lay down is good enough IMO

Maybe... I tend to respond after my opponent plays the FC Stadium, thus rendering the FC ineffective for my Deluge/Fandango action. However, on some occasions I actually do want the FC Stadium in play in order to put the damage on a Reshiram (which I used to KO an opponent's Virizion EX he played in his deck at a Regional tournament).

 

[Chanderperior]

Ok, not sure if you got this, but ditch Shaymin-EX for a Gyarados from Legendary Treasures. Gyarados can do a maximum of 200 damage, as opposed to 180 from Shaymin-EX. Not to mention that Shaymin-EX is FAR MORE fragile than Gyarados is. Granted, Eelektross from Plasma Blast invalidates the purpose of Water-types, but Gyarados has 130 hp. Add a Giant Cape, and Gyarados can be taken out by Eelektross with the relatively huge cost of 7 Energy. Remember, Eelektross needs two energy to EXECUTE the attack. I consider the loss of 5 energy an additional cost. Shaymin-EX, on the other hand, can be taken out by any Fire-Type that can do 60 damage, a relatively common number nowadays. Let's not forget your opponent gets 1 additional Prize Card than Gyarados would offer. Life Dew is always a viable Ace Spec in any decks that use cards like Shaymin, but Gyarados with Giant Cape is a far better card.

Gyarados Pros:
Tanky 150 HP with Giant Cape
MAX 200 Damage for 2 Energy
Weakness that can be abused by few cards.
Gyarados Cons:
Weakness to Eelektross

Shaymin-EX Pros:
MAX 180 Damage for 2 Energy
130 HP with Giant Cape
Resistance
Shaymin-EX Cons:
Offers 2 Prizes
Easily abusable weakness
Fragile

As you can see, Gyarados is the far better choice here.

 

[Kecleon-X]

^ Whereas I do enjoy the prospect of Gyarados, there are several things to be taken into account. Firstly, Elektross isn't played. Secondly, Gyarados is a Stage 2, whereas Shaymin is a basic and as such, it can be put down on a whim and snap out for 180, whereas Gyarados needs to sit on the bench with a 30hp basic for a turn. Plus, Gyarados requires a water energy, which would require him to add a different type of energy into his deck and as such reduce consistency. On the flip side, Shaymin can operate for a grass energy, something that is already included on the Blend energy he includes in his deck already to attack with Hydreigon as well as Shaymin. Yes, Shaymin has undoubtedly low HP for an EX Pokemon, but being able to come out of quite literally nowhere (and by nowhere I mean the hand or deck) and snap for 180, it's worth the risk.

Gyarados isn't something that should be run in this kind of deck; but I do not doubt that it deserves its own, as I have already put together a personal decklist I would love to share with you if you continue to insist on Gyarados being run in a deck.

 

[DeckSpecialist]

^ Whereas I do enjoy the prospect of Gyarados, there are several things to be taken into account. Firstly, Elektross isn't played. Secondly, Gyarados is a Stage 2, whereas Shaymin is a basic and as such, it can be put down on a whim and snap out for 180, whereas Gyarados needs to sit on the bench with a 30hp basic for a turn. Plus, Gyarados requires a water energy, which would require him to add a different type of energy into his deck and as such reduce consistency. On the flip side, Shaymin can operate for a grass energy, something that is already included on the Blend energy he includes in his deck already to attack with Hydreigon as well as Shaymin. Yes, Shaymin has undoubtedly low HP for an EX Pokemon, but being able to come out of quite literally nowhere (and by nowhere I mean the hand or deck) and snap for 180, it's worth the risk.

Gyarados isn't something that should be run in this kind of deck; but I do not doubt that it deserves its own, as I have already put together a personal decklist I would love to share with you if you continue to insist on Gyarados being run in a deck.

Totally agree

 

[Chanderperior]

Okay. Not that I disagree, but first of all, the fact that Eelektross isn't played strengthens Gyarados's play. 2nd of all, TYPO! Gyarados is a Stage 1. Thirdly, yes, Blend Energy is very powerful in this deck, but I still believe that Shaymin-EX's dependence upon Blend Energy means that a card that prevents the play of special Energy or severely limits it can cripple Shaymin-EX. Fourth of all, Shaymin-EX's defenses, to be straight with you, suck. 110 HP is pretty low, even among recent NON-EX big basics. Fifth of all, did you think such power would come without drawbacks? Having to wait a turn, if you don't run a Rare Candy, isn't that big of a deal. Come on, it's GYARADOS. Sixth of all, beloved Shaymin's weakness is flawed. I believe that Shaymin-EX is quite literally holepunched with flaws.

Yes, please share that deck list with me ^-^

 

[Kecleon-X]

Firstly, I'm working up that PM now. I call it: "A Deadman's Wonderland" and the title isn't far off from the theme of the deck. You'll find out soon enough! I quite like it, however I have yet to build it.

Secondly, you would be surprised in the fact that Shaymin's reliance on Blend isn't a hindrance. No one plays Frosslass, as it, too, is a Stage 1 and the fact that there are quite a few lists that barely run any Special Energy (Like this one), it wouldn't be all together wise to base a deck around it as it could easily worked around. Also, with Enhanced Hammer, and as I have stated previously, you can come out of nowhere with Shaymin, which includes a drop of a Blend from your hand along with the Shaymin. They won't be able to Enhanced Hammer that away until you've already taken two prizes off that EX you just OHKO'd, and as Shaymin is used exclusively as a game finisher/counter/bridge to prizes and not a main attacker, they won't usually be able to return the KO.

Also, you can't move Water Energy with Hydreigon, nor can you use it very well with Darkrai or Sableye, much unlike the Blend, which you can use as a versatile energy that you can move to your Darkrai and attack with him even if Shaymin isn't on the field at the time. You can simply move the Blend to Shaymin whenever you need to, or your Hydreigon and use his attack (It's actually quite good) if you need to take out something without the use of Shaymin.

I would also like to point out that having to rely on a basic with 30 HP for a turn to get out your main finisher is far worse than having to rely on a Basic to pick up easy prizes on a whim. Rare Candy also doesn't work for Pokemon you've already put down that turn, and it also doesn't work for Stage ones due to an errata, so finding the Candy would be useless.

And Gyarados also isn't much better than Shaymin on the HP, and as such, the Giant Cape notion you have previously stated also works for Shaymin as well, though I would not recommend running it due to both Scrapper and needing deck space to rely on consistency.

I realize that the Fire weakness that Shaymin boasts is not a great one with Reshiram in the format as a staple in RayBoar decks, but Reshiram would be able to OHKO him anyway with Blue Flare, so it wouldn't really matter anyway. (I would also like to point out that Gyarados has three retreat in response to Shaymin's one, but that's beside the point because of Darkrai. Though, when facing Garbodor, however...)

Also, Gyarados isn't without his weakness, either. Despite you stating that Elektross requiring seven energy to OHKO him, he is actually weak to Electric, so therefore he would only need four. But since Elektross isn't played, there is something that is: Zekrom. Zekrom is quickly becoming a staple in RayBoar decks as it can OHKO Empoleon (RayBoar's pretty much worst matchup in the Meta), and as such, pulverize Gyarados.

Finally, your math is wrong. Gyarados deals 20 times the number of Prize cards your opponent has taken. With five prize cards taken by your opponent, he'd be dealing 100. Shaymin would be dealing 180.

I do hope you understand what I mean at this point. Now, onto that PM!