Darkrai / Yveltal

[mdolan2]

Experience: Novice

Pokemon (10)

• 3 Yveltal EX
• 2 Darkrai EX
• 2 Sableye
• 1 Yveltal
• 1 Absol
• 1 Keldeo

Trainers (38)

• 4 Professor Juniper
• 3 N
• 2 Shauna
• 1 Colress
• 2 Bicycle
• 4 Ultra Ball
• 4 Dark Patch
• 2 Energy Switch
• 1 Scramble Switch
• 2 Red Card
• 1 Professor's Letter
• 1 Escape Rope
• 1 Pokemon Catcher
• 2 Tool Scrapper
• 3 Dark Claw
• 3 Hypnotoxic Laser
• 2 Virbank City Gym

Energy (12)

• 9 Darkness Energy
• 3 Colorless Energy

Strategy
Darkrai Deck focused around Yveltal. Its pretty simple. Get darkness in the discard to dark patch onto pokemon. the main question i have is whether or not i should keep the colorless energy in. They are so good for powering up yveltal but not so great for darkrai

Edited to coincide with the rules! ~Kecleon

 

[AlexanderTheAwesome]

RE: Darkrai/Yveltal Deck rate/fix please

-2 SAableye
+2 Yveltal
Yveltal is your ideal starter and can get the ball rolling ASAP

-2 Red Card
+2 Bicycle
-1 Pokemon Catcher
+1 Hypnotoxic Laser
With no Sableye you need less one ofs and more of the cards you play already

-1 Scramble Switch
+1 Dowsing Machine
Scramble Switch is way too situational

Hope I helped

 

[mdolan2]

RE: Darkrai/Yveltal Deck rate/fix please

-2 SAableye
+2 Yveltal
Yveltal is your ideal starter and can get the ball rolling ASAP

-2 Red Card
+2 Bicycle
-1 Pokemon Catcher
+1 Hypnotoxic Laser
With no Sableye you need less one ofs and more of the cards you play already

-1 Scramble Switch
+1 Dowsing Machine
Scramble Switch is way too situational

Hope I helped

i can see your point about yveltal > sableye. why no red card tho? even without being able to be recycled by sableye, its a good card. and while i agree with you on scramble switch vs dowsing machine, im buying these cards with american express gift cards and dont have enough left for a dowsing machine lol XD

 

[helti]

Haven't been here in a while, but I have built a few decks while not actually looking at threads.
I built this deck recently and from my experience I find that a 2-2 Yveltal Sableye line works really nice,
The deck works really well with computer search and 2 professor's letter as well, having sableye discard 2 energy and grab any card from your deck is excellent, personally, I find Sableye to be the ideal starter even in heavily Yveltal EX based decks, because you can do so much with your cards, you'll be able to power up really freakin fast. I also run 3 energy switch for that reason, tends to be too quick sometimes :O!
That is all.

 

[mdolan2]

Haven't been here in a while, but I have built a few decks while not actually looking at threads.
I built this deck recently and from my experience I find that a 2-2 Yveltal Sableye line works really nice,
The deck works really well with computer search and 2 professor's letter as well, having sableye discard 2 energy and grab any card from your deck is excellent, personally, I find Sableye to be the ideal starter even in heavily Yveltal EX based decks, because you can do so much with your cards, you'll be able to power up really freakin fast. I also run 3 energy switch for that reason, tends to be too quick sometimes :O!
That is all.

thank you for your input! i think i may go with the 3 yveltal insteal of 2-2 yveltal sableye tho becuase im not sure how much more ill get to play seriously this rotation and since sableye will get rotated out and i dont image a reprint happening soon, i want to get used to playing without it. sure i wont have dark patch either after the rotation, but one step at a time i thinks haha. and i do agree on computer search, im trying to get one now. i was considering a 2nd professors letter, but I wasnt sure what to take out for it...maybe one of the colorless energy? and right now i like energy switch at 2, but ill keep in mind that 3 may be a good idea if in further testing i dont see it as much as id like

 

[helti]

Haven't been here in a while, but I have built a few decks while not actually looking at threads.
I built this deck recently and from my experience I find that a 2-2 Yveltal Sableye line works really nice,
The deck works really well with computer search and 2 professor's letter as well, having sableye discard 2 energy and grab any card from your deck is excellent, personally, I find Sableye to be the ideal starter even in heavily Yveltal EX based decks, because you can do so much with your cards, you'll be able to power up really freakin fast. I also run 3 energy switch for that reason, tends to be too quick sometimes :O!
That is all.

thank you for your input! i think i may go with the 3 yveltal insteal of 2-2 yveltal sableye tho becuase im not sure how much more ill get to play seriously this rotation and since sableye will get rotated out and i dont image a reprint happening soon, i want to get used to playing without it. sure i wont have dark patch either after the rotation, but one step at a time i thinks haha. and i do agree on computer search, im trying to get one now. i was considering a 2nd professors letter, but I wasnt sure what to take out for it...maybe one of the colorless energy? and right now i like energy switch at 2, but ill keep in mind that 3 may be a good idea if in further testing i dont see it as much as id like

Might be just that I'm a fast learner, but I don't think it'll be hard to adapt, oh well, your decision. I run 3 DCE. Alot of people use 2 instead of 3 E switches, I like it at 3.



By the way, any info on the new rotation? I'm blank on getting information, all I really know is Bulbapedia has some info on the current legal sets.. (they haven't updated it to include X&Y yet, sigh.
I also read something here

Spoiler: On August 28th, only cards from the following sets will be allowed for Modified Format:

This was written July the 16, 2013 [/b]
Black & White—Next Destinies
Black & White—Dark Explorers Black & White—Dark Explorers
Black & White—Dragons Exalted Black & White—Dragons Exalted
Black & White—Boundaries Crossed Black & White—Boundaries Crossed
Black & White—Plasma Storm Black & White—Plasma Storm
Black & White—Plasma Freeze Black & White—Plasma Freeze
Black & White—Plasma Blast Black & White—Plasma Blast
Black & White—Dragon Vault Black & White—Dragon Vault
Black Star Promo cards Black Star Promo Cards BW33 and higher.
Black Star Promo cards McDonald’s Collection


Keep in mind that this is when playing in Modified Format. If you’re just playing against your friends for fun, then there is nothing stopping you from playing any card as long as they agree to it. The Pokemon Trading Card Game Online also has an Unlimited Format option for those who want to build upon their old decks with the newer cards.

The announcement also came with news about the future of the Trading Card Game. A second tournament format was announced for the 2015 season that would allow all formats from the Base set of Black and White-on. With the 2014 season just starting on July 9th, it will be awhile before this we will see this format in action, but with a card pool that will be most likely close to twice as large as it’s modified counterpart, it will be very interesting seeing what type of decks that come out of it. It also good news for competitive players, as their cards will now be more of a long-term investment.

 

[mdolan2]

no info but id have to assume at least the last 2-3 sets will get rotated out

 

[Dark Espeon]

Hi mdolan2,

Nice deck. I run a deck almost idential to this one and it does rather well. Consider to alter the trainers a little to make the deck even faster. Below is what I would run with this deck

TRAINER (38):

• 4 Professor Juniper
• 3 N
• 3 Shauna
• 2 Colress
• 2 Bicycle
• 4 Ultra Ball
• 4 Dark Patch
• 2 Energy Switch (you can also run Random Receiver here if you want even more draw power)
• 1 Scramble Switch (would rather have PC search or Dowsing Maschine in this deck)
• 1 Professor's Letter
• 1 Escape Rope
• 1 Tool Scrapper
• 3 Dark Claw
• 4 Hypnotoxic Laser
• 3 Virbank City Gym (you can also run 2 Virbank and either one Shadow Circle, or one Frozen City)

Also not entire sure on Sableye. Would consider to cut them for one more Absol and one more Yveltal. The ideal starter in this deck is Yveltal Ex and Absol is a nice additional low cost attacker that hits hard when the opponent filled the bench. Yveltal is a nice recover Pokémon but it can be a bordon to move him out of the active position without a benched Darkrai Ex.

This would boil down to the following Pokémon line:

POKEMON (10):

• 3 Yveltal Ex
• 2 Darkrai Ex
• 2 Yveltal
• 2 Absol
• 1 Keldeo Ex

The deck would be easy to modify to incorporate Garbodor in case you want to hit Plasma and other decks reliant on Pokémon Abilities. Please let me know what you think about these modifications.

 

[mdolan2]

Hi mdolan2,

Nice deck. I run a deck almost idential to this one and it does rather well. Consider to alter the trainers a little to make the deck even faster. Below is what I would run with this deck

TRAINER (38):

• 4 Professor Juniper
• 3 N
• 3 Shauna
• 2 Colress
• 2 Bicycle
• 4 Ultra Ball
• 4 Dark Patch
• 2 Energy Switch (you can also run Random Receiver here if you want even more draw power)
• 1 Scramble Switch (would rather have PC search or Dowsing Maschine in this deck)
• 1 Professor's Letter
• 1 Escape Rope
• 1 Tool Scrapper
• 3 Dark Claw
• 4 Hypnotoxic Laser
• 3 Virbank City Gym (you can also run 2 Virbank and either one Shadow Circle, or one Frozen City)

Also not entire sure on Sableye. Would consider to cut them for one more Absol and one more Yveltal. The ideal starter in this deck is Yveltal Ex and Absol is a nice additional low cost attacker that hits hard when the opponent filled the bench. Yveltal is a nice recover Pokémon but it can be a bordon to move him out of the active position without a benched Darkrai Ex.

This would boil down to the following Pokémon line:

POKEMON (10):

• 3 Yveltal Ex
• 2 Darkrai Ex
• 2 Yveltal
• 2 Absol
• 1 Keldeo Ex

The deck would be easy to modify to incorporate Garbodor in case you want to hit Plasma and other decks reliant on Pokémon Abilities. Please let me know what you think about these modifications.

i agree with a few things. 1)i do agreee that scramble switch needs to be taken out. im gunna put in computer search. 2) im taking sableye out and 3) that i need more regular yveltal. Personally tho i dont like the 3rd virbank city gym and 2nd absol...im gunna put in a 3rd yveltal instead of a second absol i think because i really want to start with him to get energy acceleration going and im thinking of putting a jirachi ex in here to get the supporter i want more consistantly, i like the card a lot now.

 

[Dark Espeon]

i agree with a few things. 1)i do agreee that scramble switch needs to be taken out. im gunna put in computer search.

Sounds good to me. Should make the deck a little faster.

2) im taking sableye out and 3) that i need more regular yveltal. Personally tho i dont like the 3rd virbank city gym and 2nd absol...im gunna put in a 3rd yveltal instead of a second absol i think because i really want to start with him to get energy acceleration going and im thinking of putting a jirachi ex in here to get the supporter i want more consistantly, i like the card a lot now.

Wanted to start with Yveltal too but not sure on it. He needs the Darkness in the discard turn one and since you want Yveltal Ex out fast you need to bench Darkrai fast to move him out of the active position turn two. It seems easier to start with Yveltal Ex instead and use the non-Ex version later on to recover energies. Did not test too much with Absol but he needs little resources and combined with Yveltal Ex it work well as a second main low-cost attacker. The two seem to complement each other.

How about 1-2 Random Reciever instead of Jirachi? it does not net the supporter you want at the moment but he does not consume bench space. You already might have Keldeo and Darkrai on the bench as bench sitters to assist Yveltal. What do you think about this idea?

I do like to have three stadiums to counter other stadiums. You can always run two Virbank and another tech stadium. Shadow Circle helps versus Plasma since it cancels the Thundurus weakness and Frozen City would help versus Blastoise and Emboar decks. In fact the third stadium is a meta-game choice but having a third stadium allows you to ensure that the one you want out will be out faster and stick longer - especially if other decks run no more than two stadium cards.

 

[mdolan2]

i agree with a few things. 1)i do agreee that scramble switch needs to be taken out. im gunna put in computer search.

Sounds good to me. Should make the deck a little faster.

2) im taking sableye out and 3) that i need more regular yveltal. Personally tho i dont like the 3rd virbank city gym and 2nd absol...im gunna put in a 3rd yveltal instead of a second absol i think because i really want to start with him to get energy acceleration going and im thinking of putting a jirachi ex in here to get the supporter i want more consistantly, i like the card a lot now.

Wanted to start with Yveltal too but not sure on it. He needs the Darkness in the discard turn one and since you want Yveltal Ex out fast you need to bench Darkrai fast to move him out of the active position turn two. It seems easier to start with Yveltal Ex instead and use the non-Ex version later on to recover energies. Did not test too much with Absol but he needs little resources and combined with Yveltal Ex it work well as a second main low-cost attacker. The two seem to complement each other.

How about 1-2 Random Reciever instead of Jirachi? it does not net the supporter you want at the moment but he does not consume bench space. You already might have Keldeo and Darkrai on the bench as bench sitters to assist Yveltal. What do you think about this idea?

I do like to have three stadiums to counter other stadiums. You can always run two Virbank and another tech stadium. Shadow Circle helps versus Plasma since it cancels the Thundurus weakness and Frozen City would help versus Blastoise and Emboar decks. In fact the third stadium is a meta-game choice but having a third stadium allows you to ensure that the one you want out will be out faster and stick longer - especially if other decks run no more than two stadium cards.

i see what youre saying about the 3 stadium thing, may have to try that. and what i like about jirachi is the fact that i get to choose what i get and i can search for it through ultra ball so if there arent any pokemon i really need but i have an ultra ball in hand i can get a supporter. ill have to try both it and random reciever i guess

 

[drocker23]

Here is the decklist I am testing for States

Pokemon: 11

• 3 Yveltal EX
• 2 Darkrai EX
• 2 Bouffalant
• 1 Sableye
• 1 Sawk
• 1 Spiritomb
• 1 Keldeo EX

Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 37

• 4 Professor Juniper
• 4 N
• 2 Shauna
• 4 Dark Patch
• 4 Hypnotoxic Laser
• 3 Ultra Ball
• 3 Muscle Band
• 3 Energy Switch
• 3 Bicycle
• 2 Random Receiver
• 2 Pokemon Catcher
• 2 Virbank City Gym
• 1 Dowsing Machine

Energy: 12

• 4 Double Colorless Energy
• 8 Dark Energy

Edited to coincide with the rules! ~Kecleon

 

[socery]

I would like to point out one thing that Yveltal is going to HATE: Blastoise decks. These destroyed mewtwo, and they will destroy Yveltal. Sure, hit me with evil ball for OHKO. Black Ballista, Black ballista. You might run out of energy, and with no sableye say goodbye to set up. You better play garb or I will destroy you, and I'll hit with 3 scrappers and a dowsing. So at LEAST tech garb.

 

[helti]

I would like to point out one thing that Yveltal is going to HATE: Blastoise decks. These destroyed mewtwo, and they will destroy Yveltal. Sure, hit me with evil ball for OHKO. Black Ballista, Black ballista. You might run out of energy, and with no sableye say goodbye to set up. You better play garb or I will destroy you, and I'll hit with 3 scrappers and a dowsing.

And yet Darkrai wins more often than anything else.
You could apply this to three decks though, Ho-oh Virizion genesect, Rayboar and blastoise with bkyurem, however, I doubt that Darkrai/yveltal will have a hard time accelerating and snowballing out of control just like these other decks, as A turn 2 Night spear or Evil ball is A LOT more likely, and also a lot more likely to T2, Maybe T1 Hit or even (starting second) KO.

 

[socery]

Virgen is a TERRIBLE matchup, and rayboar is 50-50. I also think that so many people will tech so heavily against Yveltal that nobody will play it.

 

[zavtac]

^socery So, stop hating. This is a thread for giving advice for decks, not pointing out 'oh, that's an autoloss' or 'this deck will be teched for don't play it'. Every deck can be teched for and every deck has an autoloss (well, near on anyway) There is no need to play Garbodor at all in this deck, as it makes it a complete other deck.

All I suggest is considering a 1 off spirotomb. It is a great for you since your aim is not to junk hunt for dowsing, as you play scramble. Also, it actually improves matchups against quote a few archetypes, including VirGen, Darkrai and in some situations, rain dance and plasma. The deck is looking good!

 

[socery]

I am just suggesting something to look out for. I have no trouble with how the deck is built, and it actually looks good. I am giving my version of advice. And please don't reference me if you have nothing to say but "I don't like the stuff you posted and the way it was posted".

 

[Dark Espeon]

Hi socery,

Sure Blastoise is an issue but it is not an auto-loose at all. You can either tech Garbodor into the list if you expect a lot of Blastoise and Rayboar decks or run Bouffalant in the standard built with more Muscle and Silver bangle you can built a rather aggressive list that has a good match up against both decks. The only problem is that non-Ex decks are also decent now and Buffalant is a dead card in these matches.

 

[socery]

Hi socery,

Sure Blastoise is an issue but it is not an auto-loose at all. You can either tech Garbodor into the list if you expect a lot of Blastoise and Rayboar decks or run Bouffalant in the standard built with more Muscle and Silver bangle you can built a rather aggressive list that has a good match up against both decks. The only problem is that non-Ex decks are also decent now and Buffalant is a dead card in these matches.

I did not say anything about auto loss, I simply said a bad matchup. But you did kinda almost exactly copy what I said about garb: play, or at least tech it. Also, 3 energy keldeo knocks out bouffalant.

P.S. What is a auto-loose matchup?

 

[OblivionDvdr]

You really don't need 1 Absol in here IMO, much less 2. Also, you want a Sableye, 100%, I'd say run 2. I think it's been said before but a 2-2 Yveltal Sableye works wonders.