Deck Discussion #11: Gechamp (DP-SV)

[CFOURCOLTSFAN]

I like this deck for the new metagame as a bunch of new SPs are coming out. The best thing is that it is deck that can run Claydol and Uxie X and be successful. Also I just built this deck and I really don't seem to get that many bad starts w/ it. I usually get Machamp and Gengar out by T2. I don't run Uxie X but I know you could. I think it can win some BR's but not the most.
Also I think the hardest Matchup is Mother Gengar, Followed by Flygon. Lastly IMO Metal Gengar is easy to beat w/ this deck. Just get Champ X and then capitilize on low HP w/ Hurrican Punch.

 

[gyrasion]

most stage 2 decks are inconsistant.
some worse than others.
but if you can make your gechamp consistant enough to tackle all sps head on then be ready to win some brs. same goes for flygon.

 

[Mr. Random]

Gechamp's inconsistent. You just can't get all the stuff you need in your first hand.

But with Relicanth, this might be in the top tiers again. I still prefer other Gengar varients, though.

 

[Raquaza96]

Actually Relicanth doesn't change the game as most people think. I played PokeChamp and I won with Legos and he was testing Gechamp. He didn't use the Rel at all cause i had no Energy Gains out and just 1 Unown G. He and I both had dead draw though. lol

 

[Darkartisan]

See, the thing is, I cant see how these have synergy, really. I guess Machamp is there to protect Gengar from harmful SPs, but I just cant fathom its-goodness. They have no synergy, and are just together as beat up cards. My opinion, anyway. Also, this is off topic, but remember the Speedrill deck discussion? DarthPika was saying Speedrill would get murdered by Gengar. I am 100% there were gengars at worlds, and speedrill pulled through anyways...lol, just proves he was wrong.

I don't mean to bash you, user, but you sire, win my idiot of the month award. Congrats!!! Are you that blind that you don't understand that not everyone will be matched up vs Gengar? Are you that blind to understand that the ridiculous quickness of both cards gives synergy? Don't you understand that it's an ANTI-META deck that was used to work around Sp decks?

 

[DarthPika]

Ya... don't bother listening to what he says. He has no clue what high end competitive play is like. He tried to use Vire as a basic in his hatter app deck. XD

 

[Darkartisan]

Lol! Yea, and to bash someone as high skill as you...what a horrible player

 

[Brawler]

Well, playing the deck without the Lv.X isn't always a good idea. For example, you can't one-hit SPs with Take Out when they use Unown G. So, for the ones with higher HP (Infernape G, Palkia G, etc.), just level up and use Hurrican Punch, which should do at least 120 with the Body (unless you are the most unlucky person in the world).

Who are you to question the kid who's dad invented the deck? That's right, no one.

Machamp Lv.X isn't needed; Machamp is just there for donking.

 

[PokeChamp]

Who are you to question the kid who's dad invented the deck? That's right, no one.

Machamp Lv.X isn't needed; Machamp is just there for donking.

Who am I to question his deck? I'm one of the only people left who play it, for crying out loud! Do you play it, Brawler? Because I know for a fact I play it, and I know that Machamp Lv.X helps the deck and makes become one of the best out there. Without it, Machamp doesn't have enough power to win. And no, Brawler, I honestly don't think you play GeChamp if you seriously think a 2-1-2 line of Machamp is seriously there "Just to donk".

 

[CFOURCOLTSFAN]

I play this deck to and for those who say it's impossible to get all you need in one hand you are all wrong!
Machamp X is great for consistency and stuff it is reccommended that if you play GeChamp you use the level x. Also relicanth is helpful but should IMO be played as a 1 card tech.

 

[dragon master112]

Ya... don't bother listening to what he says. He has no clue what high end competitive play is like. He tried to use Vire as a basic in his hatter app deck. XD

this comeing from a guy who says you dont need any clayydol ever

 

[DarthPika]

Are you for real? Any good player will tell you that you DO NOT NEED CLAYDOL in most SP decks. All it does is gunk everything up.

I won states 9-0 with out Claydol, and went 6-2 in swiss at nats with out Claydol. I do know what I'm talking about. Please stop being a scrub. There's too many of them in this world as it is.

 

[Mr. Random]

This is turning into a bash fest.

I play this deck to and for those who say it's impossible to get all you need in one hand you are all wrong!

What are the odds you're gonna get a 1-0-1 Gengar line, a 1-0-1 Champ line, two rare candies, and an energy? I personally don't think they're in your favor, but I will admit that I never played Gechamp, and thus, do not know the consistency of Gechamp decks. But still, it doesn't seem that likely at all.

Just my two cents.

 

[PokeChamp]

This is turning into a bash fest.


What are the odds you're gonna get a 1-0-1 Gengar line, a 1-0-1 Champ line, two rare candies, and an energy? I personally don't think they're in your favor, but I will admit that I never played Gechamp, and thus, do not know the consistency of Gechamp decks. But still, it doesn't seem that likely at all.

Just my two cents.

That's actually an average set up of my GeChamp deck. By turn three I will have everything you listed. Of course, usually I just focus of Gengar, unless I'm playing against SPs.

 

[gyrasion]

Are you for real? Any good player will tell you that you DO NOT NEED CLAYDOL in most SP decks. All it does is gunk everything up.

I won states 9-0 with out Claydol, and went 6-2 in swiss at nats with out Claydol. I do know what I'm talking about. Please stop being a scrub. There's too many of them in this world as it is.

i will argue that it depends on what sp deck you decide to play.
i think this deck has new hope with sv.

 

[CFOURCOLTSFAN]

That's actually an average set up of my GeChamp deck. By turn three I will have everything you listed. Of course, usually I just focus of Gengar, unless I'm playing against SPs.

Same here, except I can get it by T2 but then my bench space is clogged. Oddly enough I usually focus on both but w/ Machamp I go for Hurricane Punch and Strong Willed if not against SP.
Also thank you Mr.Random for not being someone totally screaming and being mean to others.

 

[Mr. Random]

Anything to make this thread be a happier one.

 

[CFOURCOLTSFAN]

Mr.Random is my new BF.
Anyhow last note does anyone care if I post my GeChamp for some tweaking, I don't want to do too much w/ it cuz it's really working well right now?
Oh what the heck I'll post it.
Pokemon
3-2-3-1 Machamp LV.X(all SF)
3-2-3 Gengar(all SF)
2 Uxie(LA)
2-2 Claydol(SV, I mean GE,lol)
1 Relicanth(SV for real)

T/S/S
4 Rosey
4 Bebe's
4 Poke Drawer
2 Warp Point
2 NM
3 BTS
4 Rare Candy
1 Luxury Ball

Energy
5 Fightin
5 Psychic
2 Call

 

[dragon master112]

Are you for real? Any good player will tell you that you DO NOT NEED CLAYDOL in most SP decks. All it does is gunk everything up.

I won states 9-0 with out Claydol, and went 6-2 in swiss at nats with out Claydol. I do know what I'm talking about. Please stop being a scrub. There's too many of them in this world as it is.

mabey u went 6-2 because u didnt have claydol, lol , but nah im just messin around with u no hard feelings, i just pulled an uxie last night that i dont want, im prob make a trade thread within a week, ill let u have 1st dibs because ur sutch a good sport

 

[Celebi23]

As far as the list that was posted, I've never seen this deck work with 3-2-3 Gengar. I've always seen 4-2-4 or 4-3-4 Gengar and 2-1-2 or 2-1-2-1 Machamp. Also, Crobat G can only help. It puts a Gengar in the 2HKO range even with Nidoqueen and one drop also puts the pixies in OHKO range. I just sort of skimmed it, but if it works I guess it works.

As far as the deck, I went 9-0 at Regionals with it. Some people would say that proves its consistency. I'd say it's inconsistent. The format at that time was Dialga and Machamp. My area had no Gengar. I played 2 Machamp (Gengar owns it), 1 Leafeon (too slow of a deck to compete with GeChamp) and 1 Gardevoir/Gallade/Drifblim that I don't remember having Unown G. The rest were Dialga G's. That's 5 rounds of Dialga and I only got Deafened once in round 6, but he misplayed and broke the lock. I probably got a good start 3 of those 9 times. Yet my overall matchups were amazing at the time. I'll always say GeChamp will have more favorable matchups than anything else, but its over-all consistency and lack of a way to deal truly solid damage will stop this deck from achieving much past BRs/Cities in a format with 5-7 decks in the metagame. Relnicath can hurt, but a good player can get around that too. SP decks without Claydol won't need to lower cards in their hand so they only need 1 energy gain/unown g out at a time. 30 damage to anything is terrible. Gengar does that but has more HP, free retreat and Fainting Spell/Poltergiest. Other decks will just Unown G their Claydol and limit you to 30 damage. In Flygon's case Claydol and Weavile (but Flygon is usually capable of getting 2 Claydol out anyway). The only time I see this card helping is early game when your opponent plays 3 energy gain to get ready for an Uxie. Then you drop Relnicath and hit for 90.

Honestly, there are better combos (no, not Metagross). I'd rather be using Nidoqueen or just speed with Gengar. Or just regular Machamp or Machamp/Alakazam. I'll never be a fan of either of these cards because they are all about luck and there are so many better choices out there. I'd say it might take 1/8 or so BRs, but I'm not expecting anything major from it in the future.