Decks that Don't Rely on Shaymin-EX

RedGyarados

RedGyarados

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Hello guys!
I want my girlfriend to play pokemon but we can't afford two more copies of Shaymin EX. Are there any decks that doesn't rely to Shaymin EX? I don't need substitute for Shaymin, 'cause I already know what to replace him. Turbo decks is not an option for sure. Let me know if you have any.

Thanks!
 
I personally think that every deck doesn't need Shaymin-EX, especially if the decks are for fun. In highly competitive tournaments, Shaymin-EX are generally needed so the deck keeps at the same speed level as the other decks, however in lesser tournaments, increase in Acro Bike/Skates/Trainer's Mail and/or Octillery can be substituted. Anyways, P-Groudon-EX and Donphan are the main two decks that I can think of off the top of my head that generally doesn't use Shaymin-EX.
 
By the way this is standard format. Thanks for the tips :)
I know a lot of top tier decks rely on shaymin. And even use 4 of them.
 
The use it, yes, but only to keep up with the speed and perhaps add a bit of consistency. :p

Also, four is very rare, and generally not found outside Vespiquen and Night March.
 
Thanks for the feedbacks! Really appreciate it. Btw I'm thinking of Magnezone/Raikou right now
 
Fighting decks have a very good supporting cast for supplemental, card drawing support consisting of Korrina and Scorched Earth. So, decks like Lucario-Bats and Machamp-Ariados (both of which are quite good too) can run quite well without Shaymin EX.

Also, the new BT Octillery can also provide supplemental card-draw support and Octillery can be incorporated into most decks.
 
aromatisse/mega mewtwo Y. It won a cities this past weekend, the deck didn't run a single shaymin (fairy doesn't need shaymin for setup really), if you'd like a list I can pm it to you.
 
I think Shaymin is not worth the money. Sure, it is a good card, but it takes a bench space and if brought up, your opponent could get free 2 prizes.
That aside, your best bet is a 1-1 or 2-2 Octillery line. Since it is standard, I don't really know what to reccomend. Maybe a vespiquen or night march(my league is expanded, so we use a lot of expanded stuff).
 
It is fair to think that, but keep in mind that virtually EVERY deck that wins Citys (and Nationals and Worlds) run copies of Shaymin-EX, so I reckon it must be a pretty good card. :p
 
Numelz Numelz said:
Oh, and primal groudon is probably the LEAST shaymin reliant.
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...and Grass ruins it. Even with Hard Charm/Focus Sash, Primal Groudon has gone down the drain. That's the thing. Even if you have super casual players (which does NOT mean Shayminless decks, they will most likely run Night March or Vespiquen, both of which ruin this deck. And this is coming from a guy who's favourite deck this year was Primal Groudon/Wobbuffet... until I kept running into NM, Manectric and Grass decks.

RedGyarados said:
Thanks for the feedbacks! Really appreciate it. Btw I'm thinking of Magnezone/Raikou right now
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Um... it's a slow Stage 2 deck which means Shaymin is necessary. Octillery, Delphox, whatever draw Pokemon aren't substitutes for Shaymin because they serve different purposes. Shaymin is like Tropical Beach; you draw cards on your first or second turn and still use a Supporter. Other draw is to ensure you have a steady supply of cards coming into your hand after you've literally Set Up. Also, with a deck like Raikou/Magnezone, you have to have a secondary draw Pokemon because you have to refill your hand to use Fisherman. Drawing till you have 5 is so useful since you can't play 2 Supporters in a turn and you just might draw into a way to use Fisherman if you use Abyssal Hand.

TCGDeoxys said:
I think Shaymin is not worth the money. Sure, it is a good card, but it takes a bench space and if brought up, your opponent could get free 2 prizes.
That aside, your best bet is a 1-1 or 2-2 Octillery line. Since it is standard, I don't really know what to reccomend. Maybe a vespiquen or night march(my league is expanded, so we use a lot of expanded stuff).
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Sorry, I've said this over and over again but I have to say it. Nothing can substitute Shay, nothing. Mark. My. Words. Octillery is useless early game because by the time you get it running, your opponent would have already donked you. If you want to use Oct T1, you need 3 cards:
Remoraid, Octillery and Wally. What would the chances of getting those 3 on your opening hand be? Not to mention you can't use a Supporter after that. And 5 is so weak early game.

Being unable to afford some Shay is understandable but acting like you can get by with another card isn't owning up to reality. Vespiquen and NM also need 2-3 copies of Shaymin. Without it, they suck. Mark. My. Words.
 
asdjklghty said:
...and Grass ruins it. Even with Hard Charm/Focus Sash, Primal Groudon has gone down the drain. That's the thing. Even if you have super casual players (which does NOT mean Shayminless decks, they will most likely run Night March or Vespiquen, both of which ruin this deck. And this is coming from a guy who's favourite deck this year was Primal Groudon/Wobbuffet... until I kept running into NM, Manectric and Grass decks.


Um... it's a slow Stage 2 deck which means Shaymin is necessary. Octillery, Delphox, whatever draw Pokemon aren't substitutes for Shaymin because they serve different purposes. Shaymin is like Tropical Beach; you draw cards on your first or second turn and still use a Supporter. Other draw is to ensure you have a steady supply of cards coming into your hand after you've literally Set Up. Also, with a deck like Raikou/Magnezone, you have to have a secondary draw Pokemon because you have to refill your hand to use Fisherman. Drawing till you have 5 is so useful since you can't play 2 Supporters in a turn and you just might draw into a way to use Fisherman if you use Abyssal Hand.


Sorry, I've said this over and over again but I have to say it. Nothing can substitute Shay, nothing. Mark. My. Words. Octillery is useless early game because by the time you get it running, your opponent would have already donked you. If you want to use Oct T1, you need 3 cards:
Remoraid, Octillery and Wally. What would the chances of getting those 3 on your opening hand be? Not to mention you can't use a Supporter after that. And 5 is so weak early game.

Being unable to afford some Shay is understandable but acting like you can get by with another card isn't owning up to reality. Vespiquen and NM also need 2-3 copies of Shaymin. Without it, they suck. Mark. My. Words.
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Just no. I have seen plenty Vespiquen and NM decks go fine without it. Octillery is a fine substitute UNTIL you get shaymin, that is what I am saying. You have never tested a vespiquen deck without shaymin. Again, it is a good card, but decks can go fine without it. Also, Shaymin is NOT a tropical beach. Tropical Beach is EVERY TURN. Shaymin is one. That proves Octillery a decent substitute.
 
Like @bbninjas said keep in mind that every deck that has won cities runs Shaymin-EX. I understand that it is expensive but it is definitely worth it if you want to play competitively. At least that's what the best players in the game seem to think. I think that says enough... Octillery is much worse than Shaymin-EX in almost all decks.

Magnezone is a great choice! It is very fun and only needs one Shaymin.
 
TCGDeoxys said:
Just no. I have seen plenty Vespiquen and NM decks go fine without it. Octillery is a fine substitute UNTIL you get shaymin, that is what I am saying. You have never tested a vespiquen deck without shaymin. Again, it is a good card, but decks can go fine without it. Also, Shaymin is NOT a tropical beach. Tropical Beach is EVERY TURN. Shaymin is one. That proves Octillery a decent substitute.
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Perhaps you're the one who hasn't played Vespi without Shaymin. Even theorymon-ing it can't go without Shaymin. I tried making the Bee deck before I got Shaymin. I had a 4 Sycamore, 1 Shauna, 4 Ultra Ball, 4 Battle Compressor, 4 Acro Bike and 4 Unown line. Cound't get anything going. And no, Roller Skates sucks and is a waste of cardboard because it's heads or nothing (even Pooka once joked "Just draw 3 cards when you play that card against me" :D). Super Scoop is forgivable because it isn't a draw card.

See where I'm going with this?

EDIT: Lol you're wrong about Octillery being closer to Tropical Beach, not even close man. Like I said, you can't get it out T1 without using Wally and that combo is impossible to get out consistently because you're not playing Trev/Wally. Octillery just clogs up your deck if you're trying to substitute Shaymin. 1-1 is a no no, so inconsistent and prone to discarding before evolving.
 
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