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Delphox / Reshiram / Emboar

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megamaster125

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Pokemon:

  • 4 Reshiram
    4 Fennekin (60 hp)
    2 Braixen
    4 Delphox (Mystical Fire/Blaze Ball)
    1 Tepig
    1 Emboar
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums:

  • 4 Blacksmith
    4 Professor Sycamore
    2 Skyla
    3 Shauna
    1 Town Map
    1 Super Rod
    1 Startling Megaphone
    2 Professor's Letter
    4 Rare Candy
    4 Fiery Torch
    2 Level Ball
    2 Ultra Ball
    1 Switch
    1 Escape Rope
Energy:

  • 12 Fire Energy

Strategy:

I like to start with Reshiram to Outrage/Blue Flare to put some early pressure on while I get a Delphox going. Emboar is supposed to be there to keep my hand from clogging with fire energy, but with the Fiery Torches I don't feel he's necessary at all. Actually, I'd like to add in another Professor's Letter or two because I find myself with not having enough energy in my hand more often than the reverse problem.

Once the Reshiram goes down, or I switch it out, Delphox comes in to start knocking things out with Blaze Ball. With the torches, Blacksmith, and Mystical Fire, this deck can get set up quickly and really put pressure on.

I'm not sure if I need professor Sycamores or not. In my testing so far, I've had multiple Sycamores in my hand mid/late game and have no desire to play them whatsoever, because I'd rather be playing Blacksmith or using Skyla to get the specific trainer I need. Are there any other pokemon that would be good attackers that aren't named Charizard-EX Y or Pyroar (not willing to invest in those 2 at this point).
 
RE: Delphox/Reshiram/Emboar

If you're playing a 1-0-1 line of Emboar, it's going to be prized. If you thought that you needed Emboar, I'd suggest at least a 2-2 line, but if you think you don't need it, I suggest taking it out entirely.

As far as your Trainers go, this is what I would suggest. Run at least 3 Ultra Ball, it helps with consistency so much. Also, you're going to REALLY want N's in this deck. When your opponent and yourself both have say, 2 prizes left, you can drop them down to 2, while you can draw up to 6. It makes you virtually immune to late-game N's. Also, and this is very dependent on your location, but I would suggest bumping it up to 2 Megaphones. Garbodor could potentially destroy this deck, especially since you're not running any Lysandre (which, come to think, you should think about putting 2 in, in place of the Emboar. Helps you get those KO's on Pokemon that are heavily damaged but content to sit on the bench and elude you).

Hope this helps!
 
^this is what happens when you rely to much on the closed minds of the meta. delphox makes you immune to late game N's, wasting a supporter turn instead of setting up a reshi is a waste of a supporter turn in this deck, 1 dowsing makes up for 1 extra anything in this deck and utilizes the blacksmith effect. 2 lysandre is very eh, catcher could be better, even 1 lysandre is good enough, dropping the setup rate for supporters is a price you pay for in this deck and just isn't worth it sometimes.

So basically he's reducing supporter count for draw to increase for playability and 4 delphox increase the draw rate a lower supporter count is good... kinda. The only thing lacking here is what frost mage here said a reliable emboar line, fact is with 4 reshiram no DCE incredible draw rate and the useage of 4 blacksmith at the count of 0 pal pad means you don't have an endless energy supply base, if you could you would rather draw and play blacksmith every turn for setup (dropping supporters with a heavy ultra ball line comes in handy) over using anyother supporters for the setup. So basically this, drop the 1-0-1 emboar line for 2 pal pad so you have an endless supply of draw and blacksmith or rely on emboar a heavy draw mechanic and a t/s/s/ support drive that doesn't work well with emboar. (I tested this and played it at various tournaments, I think with more delphox your going in the right deriction if that's what you rely on, also a dowsing could come in handy, 10 black smith or a spare megaphone).
 
I'm definetely going to drop the Emboar line. How about instead of 2 lysandre, I add 1 lysandre and 1 Jirachi EX? Also without the Emboar line, could I drop a Rare Candy for another Skyla, and then drop a couple Sycamore for some other non-supporters?
 
Actually, I find that Stage 2 decks actually are benefitted from playing 3 to 4 Skyla. Hunting out all those Rare Candy with Skyla is a must. Also, I feel that Pal Pad makes a great 1-of. I've been playing 1 or 2 in every deck I've built lately, and they've worked wonders for me, not only allowing me to get 2 more cards back into my deck to possibly buy myself a couple turns near the end, but also allowing me to use my 2 N, which my current competitive deck runs, both early and late game. I'm not sure what you'd take out though. I'm not saying it's a must to throw in Pal Pad, but 3 or 4 Skyla is definitely important.
 
Oh yeah, I didn't see that, definitely run 4 Skyla in any Stage 2 deck.

[quote="Yo-yos]^this is what happens when you rely to much on the closed minds of the meta. delphox makes you immune to late game N's, wasting a supporter turn instead of setting up a reshi is a waste of a supporter turn in this deck, 1 dowsing makes up for 1 extra anything in this deck and utilizes the blacksmith effect. 2 lysandre is very eh, catcher could be better, even 1 lysandre is good enough, dropping the setup rate for supporters is a price you pay for in this deck and just isn't worth it sometimes.

So basically he's reducing supporter count for draw to increase for playability and 4 delphox increase the draw rate a lower supporter count is good... kinda. The only thing lacking here is what frost mage here said a reliable emboar line, fact is with 4 reshiram no DCE incredible draw rate and the useage of 4 blacksmith at the count of 0 pal pad means you don't have an endless energy supply base, if you could you would rather draw and play blacksmith every turn for setup (dropping supporters with a heavy ultra ball line comes in handy) over using anyother supporters for the setup. So basically this, drop the 1-0-1 emboar line for 2 pal pad so you have an endless supply of draw and blacksmith or rely on emboar a heavy draw mechanic and a t/s/s/ support drive that doesn't work well with emboar. (I tested this and played it at various tournaments, I think with more delphox your going in the right deriction if that's what you rely on, also a dowsing could come in handy, 10 black smith or a spare megaphone). [/quote]
What did I say that was close-minded?
 
1. "Also, you're going to REALLY want N's in this deck" The deck doesn't need to rely on N's in fact a majority of supporters will be useless once blacksmith is played, that is the engine, draw blacksmith, draw blacksmith, pal pad, RR, draw, blacksmith. It's about understanding the engine to say what makes the best calls for consistency. Yes N does well in a lot of decks for consistency, however this is not one of those decks that need N. Lysandre, 2 lysandre, again supporters will be useless past blacksmith setup's, playing 2 is inconsistent in a list that should consider 2 pal pad, 1 is really all that's needed if he could play 2 pal pad and essentially play 3 lysandre that means he has an extra slot to increase the decks overall speed and consistency. 2 megaphone is hardly needed, if his draw power is reduced he should learn to conserve supporters for draw power late game and setup delphox fast so he has early and late game draw power, relying on N's does not help constitute this plan.

2. This seems to be the same thing a lot of players say, though it may hold a grain of truth to it is usually over consistent and wastes deck space for something else that can be more efficient overall, and that's why it gets kind of irritating.


2 things you really need, is pal pads and skyla, lysandre is useless if you cannot setup (catcher would be better warranted the flip does not waste the blacksmith setup time, also since you have no lasers, bangles or muscle band you 2 shot any EX or mega that being said you really need more options to setup various attacks or you lose, relying on regular setup rate isn't that great, 2 flame torch can be 2 pal pad, flame torch however good it may seem to be, through testing has show to help the draw but not the setup in consistency value to regular attachement and black smith combos, where as a profs letter, 1 fire energy in hand, blacksmith and an ultra ball is turn 1-2 120. skyla and 4 rare candy increase the speed of delphox setup, truth.
 
@Yo-yos, I'm not going to say that you're completely incorrect when you say that not every deck needs to run a couple N. I find that Shauna gets the job done. In fact, it's slowly becoming my favorite supporter. However, N is still a viable supporter. @Frost Mage has a valid point in saying to run N's. If you're behind late game, N can be a crushing blow to your opponent's hand. If not, you can just discard them with Ultra Ball and then retrieve them with Pal Pad. In conclusion, the two of you have valid points. N can be very beneficial and can be a waste of space. It all depends on the state of the game you're playing.
 
Have you considered using a Reshiram EX with a protection cube for an easy 150? That could also work in a deck like this, especially late game.
 
Dia said:
Have you considered using a Reshiram EX with a protection cube for an easy 150? That could also work in a deck like this, especially late game.
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I have looked at this card prior, and deduced that he is rather outclassed by a Muscle Banded Charizard. But perhaps a Muscle Banded one, and running a Victini to satisfy flipping heads on his second attack? I feel like it is still a good option with the right support.

Another thing you could consider is taking out a line of Delphox to beef up that Emboar line a bit, or, since you aren't wanting to run it any longer, you could try Victini EX to speed up the Energy a bit, as well?

Another thing to consider is a line of Magnezone. You could essentially beef up the Skyla count, too, for you could Skyla for a Blacksmith, or just outright play two Blacksmith and drop Energy on the field in a ridiculous amount really easily.
 
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