Does Tyram(Reshiram/Typhlosion) need Ninetales?
- Thread starter The Yoshi
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I have never been in the situation where I could
a) Roast Reveal every turn
AND
b) deck out before I won.
There's really no reason to keep drawing if you have double Typhlosion out. It means you can poke for 120 or 70+discard every turn. That will let you grab those 6 prizes easily.
a) Roast Reveal every turn
AND
b) deck out before I won.
There's really no reason to keep drawing if you have double Typhlosion out. It means you can poke for 120 or 70+discard every turn. That will let you grab those 6 prizes easily.
I wasn't saying that's the ONLY way to play the deck, of course. But all I'm saying is the idea (as stealthangel stated) is to simply get 2 typhlosion out. Cory Goff also made top 32 and he didn't play ninetales either. I'm just saying consistency is key in this format, and out of all the reshiphlosions that showed up, the fact that a majority of them in top cuts didn't play ninetales should lend credence to this idea.
Ty W said:
Thank you. Thank you. I dislike people only thinking about Catcher if they are testing a Emerging Powers format. If you are going to mention and test with Catcher why not play this things like Kyurem or Evolite or Rocky Helmet? Either play with all staples in Emerging Powers, or none at all. Anyways though, from what I have seen with testing Reshiphosion is that Ninetails is not needed. I will have to test some more though, maybe it is just the list that I am using. Vulpix are easy to reversal up and kill and it is better to focus on Typhosion. Oh and thanks again Ty.
That wasn't his point. His point was that you have to throw in the entire set if you mention catcher. If the format is different then the entire deck structure will be different. We can't just change formats mid thread and act like there's only one card in the next set.
I think that the deck could work with or without Ninetales in the current format, but Ninetales helps consitancy, and that is the deck's main flaw.
I think that the deck could work with or without Ninetales in the current format, but Ninetales helps consitancy, and that is the deck's main flaw.
Ty W said:
The thing is, draw supporters can help you out of a bad hand also, and they can do so single-handedly (and early/the start of the game) without the need to have a stage 1 set up or a fire energy in your hand. Ninetales technically doesn't get you out of a bad hand; it makes your current hand BETTER...but not always good enough. Without Ninetales, there are plenty more draw supporters you can also run along with sage's training to make the deck very consistent and able to get through the entire game successfully; to name a couple other energy-discarding ones: engineer's adjustments and juniper. As far as the Ninetals-typhlosion synergy...you only need to discard one, maaaaaybe 2 energy to get going....The high draw supporter count (10-11 seems to be the way to go) also gives the deck a much better chance than it has with ninetales after a turn 1 judge. It also gives way to run a thicker line of typhlosion (4-2-4) Which makes the deck more consistent, especially if you want to consider catcher. And if you don't want to consider it, then consider Reversal. Most of the top players will tell you that when playing TyRam, decks like stage 1 rush and yanmega/magnezone, if not ANY deck, should focus on taking out ninetales one way or another because of the deck's high dependency on the pokemon to remain consistent and draw into its resources. Even if they were to only take one vupix out early game that would really hinder the tyram player. I just feel like depending so much on a bench sitter to set up can become disastrous, especially when there's other options. Also, something people don't realize, but tyram also runs more energies BECAUSE of Ninetales. WIth the right supporter line you can get than one or two energy in the discard you need to get going AND set up just as quickly AND draw into more fires which will only serve to attach, which is really great, especially with zoroark running around. Without ninetales you can afford to run around 9-10 fire only since you don't rely on them to set up, which opens ur deck for other techs and consistency cards.
