Double Dragon Energy Discussion

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Ok so as of today, Pokebeach finally revealed Double Dragon energy. Here it is:

Double Dragon Energy - Special Energy
This card can only be attached to an [N] Pokemon. While attached to an [N] Pokemon, this card provides
every type of energy, but provides 2 energy at a time.

What do you guys think?
I feel like this allows dragon types to be more capable to attack with. Since Druddigon FLF, Hydreigon DRX, and Rayquaza EX in expanded are all established Dragons, what dragons do you think will gain more prominence with the new Special Energy coming out?
 
Double dragon energy

Anybody see a major use for this card? I think it might be worth using alongside Mega Latios but I'd really try to build a rayquaza deck around it with how the upcoming set is looking. I was thinking Rayquayquay-bats
 
These new dragons will be very stronger, and will change the format. 2 decks of rayquaza ex will be enter in TIER 1. I'm sure. Double dragon energy is amazing for dragons. Mega Latios e Mega rayquaza ex (dragon type) will make a one deck, with reshiram, hydreigon ex, blacksmith and others things. Other Rayquaza ex (colorless type) is amazing with altaria and sky stadium. He don't have weakness and can hit in T1 cause your A Evolution.
 
One dragon that I think will get more play is the most recent Flygon. With the three energy requiremet and the fighting and grass energy needs, two types that ae not normally played along each other. I think an aromatisse dragon varient could be intersting because aromatisse will be able to move the double energy as long as it is dragon to dragon.
 
Just reread the card...didn't notice that it was every energy i just assumed it was 2 dragon type energy...well that changes a lot of things.
Am I the only person thinking of PLS BKEX? That thing does 200 damage for 4 energy...or 2 special energy totaling 200 damage. Add muscle band and maybe laser bank and you ohko all except primal groudon ex and safeguarders.
 
Just looking through my collection online to see what could use it. Here's what stands out.

Dragonite EX: can attack with one grass *or* one electric, plus DDE
Dragalge: can use poison breath for a DDE plus any color
Flygon (Sandsweep): can attack with DDE and any color
Garchomp: can use Dragonblade off a DDE
Goodra (Slip Trip): can use dragon pulse with DDE plus a DCE
Haxorus: Can use strike of the champion off a DDE (instead of a fighting and a steel)
Hydreigon (Crazy Headbut): Can attack off a DDE and a DCE
Kingrda (Twister): Can Twister off a DDC (instead of 1 water and 1 lighting)
Noivern: Can boomburst off a DDE plus any one energy
Rayquaza: DDE plus one for its shred (means it can go into decks that run any colour)

I guess the ones that stand out are the ones where you need fewer attachments and the remaining attachments you do have to make can be colorless. Dragonite EX, Garchomp, Kingdra, Noivern and Rayquaza look the most interesting.
 
Talkingcat said:
Just looking through my collection online to see what could use it. Here's what stands out.

Dragonite EX: can attack with one grass *or* one electric, plus DDE
Dragalge: can use poison breath for a DDE plus any color
Flygon (Sandsweep): can attack with DDE and any color
Garchomp: can use Dragonblade off a DDE
Goodra (Slip Trip): can use dragon pulse with DDE plus a DCE
Haxorus: Can use strike of the champion off a DDE (instead of a fighting and a steel)
Hydreigon (Crazy Headbut): Can attack off a DDE and a DCE
Kingrda (Twister): Can Twister off a DDC (instead of 1 water and 1 lighting)
Noivern: Can boomburst off a DDE plus any one energy
Rayquaza: DDE plus one for its shred (means it can go into decks that run any colour)

I guess the ones that stand out are the ones where you need fewer attachments and the remaining attachments you do have to make can be colorless. Dragonite EX, Garchomp, Kingdra, Noivern and Rayquaza look the most interesting.
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I bolded these if they weren't relavant/attackers. Why would you tech to attack with Dragalge, goodra, Hydreigo?Haxorus isn't relevant, Rayquaza isn't used, as dragons are weak to fairy, not dragon, so maybe as a pyroar tech?? Not sure about Noivern, but it is a stage two, and I remember it not being great. Also, some of the attacks are really not even worth using, or even teching for.
 
socery said:
Not sure about Noivern, but it is a stage two, and I remember it not being great.
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Noivern is a stage 1 not a stage 2. It isn't bad in a fun deck. It's biggest problem is the unwieldy energy cost.

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Maximinn said:
socery said:
Not sure about Noivern, but it is a stage two, and I remember it not being great.
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Noivern is a stage 1 not a stage 2. It isn't bad in a fun deck. It's biggest problem is the unwieldy energy cost.

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Wow. Screwed that all up. Thanks.
 
Here are my opinions on a few fun combos for 2x Dragon Energy:

Flygon BCR - You use Flying Beatdown to discard the Energy and Paralyze, all while slamming bench damage with the ability. The following turn, you can use Dusknoir to move the damage anywhere. The discard won't even matter because of how 2x Dragon Energy provides 2, meaning you can keep the lock going as long as you have the Energy, which isn't hard because of Trump Card.

Latias-EX PLF - Just about any deck using this kind of Energy could run 1 Latias as a way of getting around a Safeguard, Mighty Shield, or Intimidating Mane. You can't even be harmed back from those things.

Garchomp PLF - Garchomp probably won't see play again because of Level Ball and Gabite's rotation, but this Energy does allow it to hit for 100 immediately. I know Luis mentioned something about it, so I'll keep it in mind.

Goodra FLF - Sort of gimmicky, but the way the current text looks, discarding a 2x Dragon Energy attached to a Goodra heals 120 because you discarded a total of 2 Energy. That could be fun.

Noivern FUF - Probably one of the more hyped cards from Furious Fists. It never saw big play because of the reliance on luck it had in combination with the awful attack cost, but 2x Dragon Energy could help it enough. Even then, Meowstic could even be used in place of Dusknoir.

Kingdra PRC - Yeah it's gonna be great
 
Here's a silly one.

White Kyurem BrC; fills the space for Damage Rush, and only needs another DCE for Cold Fire.

....not that White Kyurem BrC is good by any means, but a lot of you took the bigger applications for this already.
 
Here's another one:

Flygon FuF: Sand sweep can be the attack version of Rough Seas, only this version heals all pokemon, rather than just Water-types and Electric-types...

^ Off-topic comment:

And the topic card likely won't be legal in time for the BCR-LTR cards to see a lot of action w/ Roaring Skies cards like this one outside of June and/or July Nationals, and/or the pre-September portion of the next season of the Play! Pokemon series... Unless TPCi wants to ban this set from Nationals and Worlds, expect those that can't get the cards in time to change their decks drastically to combat the dragons to be obliterated by the Roaring Skies cards that are associated with the dragons(especially since Nationals is a closed event to all but those that have a certain amount of Play! Points(that amount is 10 this year)).

^ Closed events at season end make the issue "Should Roaring Skies be legal in Standard at any point in 2014-15 because it will otherwise become tourney-legal too late to see open action for that season?" a hot topic, especially since Dragon Vault was banned from the Autumn Regionals back in '12, but that's a similar issue that came one day before an OPEN tourney, but when it comes to the closed tourneys that come near the end of the Play! Pokemon season, should the public have to get a decent chance to get into the dragon action before you can officially say it is tourney-legal? Near the end of the season, I think it might be a card that should not be legal in Nationals, but legal next season, but my thoughts on that might not be realistic and true...

^ On-topic comment:

I believe that the Dragon Energy card can make the second attack of cards like Druddigon FLF usable w/ one additional DCE. But when faced against cards like Enhanced Hammer, I believe DDE is a card that should not be relied on too much or combined w/ other Special energy card types...
 
Latios EX from Plasma Storm is another good one. A single DD energy does 40 with retreat lock. An additional attachment does 150 (170 with Muscle Band and even more with Altaria BC).

There's also the Dragonite from the same set. Horrible 5 energy cost requiring 2 different types, but it does 150 and takes an additional prize thanks to the ancient trait. He's also got 160HP which is good even for a stage 2.

M Charizard EX (the dragon one) is another one. Combined with blacksmith, it shouldn't be too hard to get this powered up and ready to attack by turn 3.

It's also worth pointing out that as long as they stay attached to Dragon Pokemon, they remain 2 of every type. With enough of those, Aromatisse can move them around.
 
pokedan24 said:
It's also worth pointing out that as long as they stay attached to Dragon Pokemon, they remain 2 of every type. With enough of those, Aromatisse can move them around.
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This sounds really cool. For the little while that they are legal together, you could make an interesting Aromatisse+Dragons deck (and I guess it's possible to see in Expanded Format as well).

Latias-EX sticks out to me as something that'd be good in this deck. It'd beat Safeguarders as well as Aegislash-EX, two big issues to this type of thing. I guess the new Hydreigon-EX could replace it post rotation, but it lacks the wicked cool ability Latias has. Beyond that though, the options are kinda limited. The good Mega Rayquaza is [C] type so it can't use the energy. The other one is 5 energy for 300 and I'm not too sure how viable that one could be even with Double Dragon Energy.
 
Professor Palutena said:
pokedan24 said:
It's also worth pointing out that as long as they stay attached to Dragon Pokemon, they remain 2 of every type. With enough of those, Aromatisse can move them around.
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This sounds really cool. For the little while that they are legal together, you could make an interesting Aromatisse+Dragons deck (and I guess it's possible to see in Expanded Format as well).

Latias-EX sticks out to me as something that'd be good in this deck. It'd beat Safeguarders as well as Aegislash-EX, two big issues to this type of thing. I guess the new Hydreigon-EX could replace it post rotation, but it lacks the wicked cool ability Latias has. Beyond that though, the options are kinda limited. The good Mega Rayquaza is [C] type so it can't use the energy. The other one is 5 energy for 300 and I'm not too sure how viable that one could be even with Double Dragon Energy.
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An easy way to use the Dragon Rayquaza would go like this, and takes two turns to set up whether pre-Mega Evolution or post-Mega Evolution:

1. Blacksmith on any Benched fire-type to add 2 Fire energy, then attach a lightning energy to M-Rayquaza, end your turn...

2. ...On your next turn, use PRC Eelektross's energy connect to move the fire energy(attached to the benched fire that endured the Blacksmith the turn before) to M-Rayquaza, then attach a DDE to it, then it's ready to attack: for the KO, as no pokemon can survive a 300 damage attack without a Focus Sash attached, but since only Fighting-types can use it in the TCG...
 
Another option (for mirror matches specifically), Kecleon PLF. If you can find a way to get one more energy into play (Reshiram of this upcoming set), you can copy a lot of attacks. Hydreigon EX might also be good to switch out after using Reshiram's ability.
 
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