Dragon Discard Viable or No?

[undeadturkey]

I came up with an idea I'm sure other people have also though of and I just wanted to know how viable in a competitive format it would be. Its not a 100% complete idea as their is a lot that can still go in to push the concept farther, but I think it has a shot. I think it will be great with the new {DRG} pokemon! Sorry Its a video but it was easier to just blab on youtube

http://youtu.be/1RSUQ35PSvU


Thanks!

 

[27th_wonder]

doesn't the non-ex rayquaza discard 3 cards for a single {L} and 40 damage?

and self-deck destruction only really worked when the cards are built support the idea (yugioh's lightsworn/zombie cards or Mew Prime's lost zone synergy for example)

it's an interesting idea, but it just seems like a tech-heavy RayEels deck

 

[Rikko145]

The deck really just won't work. Celestial Roar has slim odds of getting you any energy at all, and will probably cut into your trainer line more than anything. It also gets OHKO'd by other dragons, which is terrible for an EX since you're giving up two prizes. I just don't see you getting the right cards at the right times with this milling idea, and I can see your opponent doing everything in their power to stall you out once your deck gets fairly thin. On that note, your deck is helping them do it. It's a nice idea, but it's just not functional, consistent, or fast enough to survive in the metagame.

 

[Spidy]

it seems like it has an awful lot going on. Rayquaza EX, Giritina EX, Garchomp, Zekrom, Eelektrik, ho-oh

Its almost like your trying to mash 2 or 3 decks together

ho-oh doesnt do well unless you can get a lot of different types of basic energy on it, sure its body help, but trying to run it with other attackers with strange energy requirements wont be very consistant.

and even with super rod, if your trying to constantly through every card you can into your discard, you will find yourself decking out several times

rayquaza, zekrom (not EX, regular zekrom is better than the EX) and eelektrik can make a fantastic deck on there own raikou even does great in it

As far as ho-oh, goes, i think it would be best with attackers that can use colorless energy, that way a low count of several different kinds of energy wont be detrimental to it. Although zekrom is an option though because it covers Ho-ohs water weakness, and outrage can be deadly if your opponent isnt careful. But as far as miling goes, i think it would be easier to search it out and discard it with juniper or ultra ball instead of miling until you just hit it. Same goes with energy, cilian would actually help a lot.

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doesn't the non-ex rayquaza discard 3 cards for a single {L} and 40 damage?

yes but we arnt getting it in august

 

[undeadturkey]

doesn't the non-ex rayquaza discard 3 cards for a single {L} and 40 damage?

and self-deck destruction only really worked when the cards are built support the idea (yugioh's lightsworn/zombie cards or Mew Prime's lost zone synergy for example)

it's an interesting idea, but it just seems like a tech-heavy RayEels deck

Yeah but like said again we don't get that yet, well the cards kind of support the idea but I do see what your saying. I did use lightsworn as inspiration for this deck.

The deck really just won't work. Celestial Roar has slim odds of getting you any energy at all, and will probably cut into your trainer line more than anything. It also gets OHKO'd by other dragons, which is terrible for an EX since you're giving up two prizes. I just don't see you getting the right cards at the right times with this milling idea, and I can see your opponent doing everything in their power to stall you out once your deck gets fairly thin. On that note, your deck is helping them do it. It's a nice idea, but it's just not functional, consistent, or fast enough to survive in the metagame.

I can see what your saying. If you run enough energy you will hit it with celeestia roar plus its ok to hit other pokemon too like ho oh and things you can get back with revive. Yeah the OHKO is the major downside I can see man handling this deck. I really don't think you will mill out anywhere near fast enough, the deck mills in the beginning to build up a tool box in the discard pile then you can just stop the mill and work with the contents of the discard pile then.

I think It has potential to be fairly consistent but the speed of which you can get the cards to the discard pile to utilize them might be the problem.

On I side note I have always been a fan of lightsworn and there for tried to make a similar deck in pokemon.

it seems like it has an awful lot going on. Rayquaza EX, Giritina EX, Garchomp, Zekrom, Eelektrik, ho-oh

Its almost like your trying to mash 2 or 3 decks together

ho-oh doesnt do well unless you can get a lot of different types of basic energy on it, sure its body help, but trying to run it with other attackers with strange energy requirements wont be very consistant.

and even with super rod, if your trying to constantly through every card you can into your discard, you will find yourself decking out several times

rayquaza, zekrom (not EX, regular zekrom is better than the EX) and eelektrik can make a fantastic deck on there own raikou even does great in it

As far as ho-oh, goes, i think it would be best with attackers that can use colorless energy, that way a low count of several different kinds of energy wont be detrimental to it. Although zekrom is an option though because it covers Ho-ohs water weakness, and outrage can be deadly if your opponent isnt careful. But as far as miling goes, i think it would be easier to search it out and discard it with juniper or ultra ball instead of miling until you just hit it. Same goes with energy, cilian would actually help a lot.

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yes but we arnt getting it in August

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First off I don't want all those in the deck those were mentioned in the vid, and stated that they were just other dragons with a similar effect, its zekrom, raquaza and electrik being the main cards with a ho-oh tech.

Garchomp and Giratana were only suggestions to work with if the Idea needed to go in another direction

There is no strange energy as everyone in the deck uses fire or lighting so its a 2 element deck!

As stated above you will only mill for a little while to get the recourses in the discard to utilize then you will stop so super rod will prevent you from decking out.

You are correct searching out would be easier but i wanted to make a more unique deck.

Thank you all for the responses I greatly appreciate your feed back and opinions!!!

 

[Cinema]

Why would you purposely build a deck around a negative effect? The "pluses" you described aren't really pluses at all. Cards like Energy Retrieval, Super Rod, and Ho-Oh EX are just fixing the damage you've done to your own deck. They're not helping you get ahead. Also, how are you getting back the trainers you milled? Sorry, but I don't see a deck based around milling yourself working. The one card you mentioned that's good is Eelektrik. Try a more conservative version of a deck based around him. Forget about Rayquaza EX, and focus on solely Electric type attackers, such as Thundurus EP, Zekrom BW, Zekrom EX, Raikou EX, Mewtwo EX, and Tornadus EX. You won't be decking yourself out, and they're just better attackers than Rayquaza EX and Rayquaza regular. Also, Garchomp has two totally different energy costs, so that's a completely different deck, and Giratina EX is basically just a bad card with bad energy requirements.

Rayquaza EX isn't a very good dragon counter, since the most commonly played dragon will be Garchomp, which will one-shot Rayquaza EX for two prizes, while you one-shot them for one prize, except you're wasting way more energies doing so, and you're STILL in a losing prize exchange.
Just as a side note, the regular Rayquaza is almost certainly not coming out in our next set, some thread on PokeGym explains more in depth.

 

[Spidy]

First off I don't want all those in the deck those were mentioned in the vid, and stated that they were just other dragons with a similar effect, its zekrom, raquaza and electrik being the main cards with a ho-oh tech.

Garchomp and Giratana were only suggestions to work with if the Idea needed to go in another direction

There is no strange energy as everyone in the deck uses fire or lighting so its a 2 element deck!

As stated above you will only mill for a little while to get the recourses in the discard to utilize then you will stop so super rod will prevent you from decking out.

You are correct searching out would be easier but i wanted to make a more unique deck.

Thank you all for the responses I greatly appreciate your feed back and opinions!!!

ok, i guess i misunderstood what you were saying in the video
anyway ho-oh wont be that great of a tech, mainly because with only 2 energy types, his damages maxes out at 60, not enough in this format, especially for an EX

but you can defiantly run with rayquaza, Zekrom and eels, as i said, its a great deck
i think it can easily be top tier

 

[undeadturkey]

Why would you purposely build a deck around a negative effect? The "pluses" you described aren't really pluses at all. Cards like Energy Retrieval, Super Rod, and Ho-Oh EX are just fixing the damage you've done to your own deck. They're not helping you get ahead. Also, how are you getting back the trainers you milled? Sorry, but I don't see a deck based around milling yourself working. The one card you mentioned that's good is Eelektrik. Try a more conservative version of a deck based around him. Forget about Rayquaza EX, and focus on solely Electric type attackers, such as Thundurus EP, Zekrom BW, Zekrom EX, Raikou EX, Mewtwo EX, and Tornadus EX. You won't be decking yourself out, and they're just better attackers than Rayquaza EX and Rayquaza regular. Also, Garchomp has two totally different energy costs, so that's a completely different deck, and Giratina EX is basically just a bad card with bad energy requirements.

Rayquaza EX isn't a very good dragon counter, since the most commonly played dragon will be Garchomp, which will one-shot Rayquaza EX for two prizes, while you one-shot them for one prize, except you're wasting way more energies doing so, and you're STILL in a losing prize exchange.
Just as a side note, the regular Rayquaza is almost certainly not coming out in our next set, some thread on PokeGym explains more in depth.

Well its not a huge negative if you don't mill that much, you just mill until you have a discard pile to work with. Yes they are technically because a plus card to your hand or field is a plus. Im not worried about decking out. you won't get the trainers back now that junk arm is kaput but hey its happens. I ran that elekrik deck up until now lol. SO I m looking to make a new deck cuz I got a little tired of playing the same thing.

Raquaza may not be amazing but he can still OHKO anyone if he has enough energy.

As stated before Garchomp and Giratana were mentioned as other options if the deck needed to go in another direction they are not being put in this deck. Cuz as you stated its way to many different energies.

Yeah he is not coming out in the next set, but oh well thats cool I'd like to see other dragons anyway!

Thanks for the feed back.

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ok, i guess i misunderstood what you were saying in the video
anyway ho-oh wont be that great of a tech, mainly because with only 2 energy types, his damages maxes out at 60, not enough in this format, especially for an EX

but you can defiantly run with rayquaza, Zekrom and eels, as i said, its a great deck
i think it can easily be top tier

I see your point, Perhaps I will drop him, though I wanted to find away to make him work, sort of like wulf from yugioh but perhaps it just cannot be done right now.

Thanks, maybe I will stick with that if this idea falls flat on its face since i only need the Raquaza EX and I can test it from there.

Thanks for the response!