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Dusk-phan (Donphan / Dusknoir)

I have all the cards for the original list coming in via trade. I will try it, but I think that short of an outstanding test, I am going to lean toward the Outrage option. I have a couple Reshiram now, and have a Zekrom on the way as well.

I will let you know from there.
 
OK. Thanks Guys!

I am going to go with the OUTRAGE Pokémon. I think that after play testing it, it is a better route. Wish me Luck!
 
I think your deck list is interesting, and while I may not agree with all of your choices, I do not understand playing Town Map, I feel you could do better by playing an additional Muscle Band , or possibly a Pokemon Fan club so you can gather more resources quicker.
 
Going to go play this deck in a Tourny today, I will let you all know how it goes.....*****Crosses Fingers*****
 
Ok, So that was disastrous!!

Here is what I played with:
Pokemon: 13
Donphan PLS x3
Phanfy PLS x3
Dusknoir BCR x2
Duskull FLF x2
Reshiram x1
Zekrom x1
Sigilyph x1

Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 35
Colress PLS x1
Computer Search BCR x1
Evosoda XY x1
Rare Candy PLB x2
Float Stone PLF x4
Muscle Band XY x2
N BW Promo 100 x4
Pokemon Catcher PLB x2
Professor Juniper PLB x4
Lysandre's Trump Card XYPF x1
Sacred Ash FLF x1
Korrina XYFF x3
Startling Megaphone FLF x2
Town Map BCR x1
Ultra Ball FLF x2
Fighting Stadium XYFF x2
Pokémon Fan Club x2

Energy: 12
Double Colorless Energy XY x2
Strong Energy XYFF x4
Fighting Energy x6

So where did I go wrong? I feel like a blind sweaty hog!
The deck was all EX except for 3 Pokémon.

Do I need to change anything?
 
I updated your original post with your current deck list, and organized it so that it was easier to read. I feel like that makes it easier for others to look at your list and give advice.

I noticed that you don't play any Robo Substitutes. It's generally a very good wall for Donphan against any match up because your opponent can't take any prizes off of it. Your Korrinas can actually act like Pokemon Fan Clubs with Robo Substitute in the deck allowing you to search for that and Phanpy, only with a lot more flexibility than Pokemon Fan Club because you can target Donphan instead of Phanpy and you can get other Item cards as well.

Additionally, I would recommend:

-2 Pokemon Catcher
-2 Fighting Energy

+2 Lysandre
+2 VS Seeker

Lysandre avoids the coin flip involved with Catcher with the draw back of being a Supporter, and VS Seeker adds flexibility of being able to get Lysandre into your hand without using up a Supporter or being able to get you any Supporter in your discard pile, allowing you to choose the best Supporter for the situation. I.e., Juniper when you don't have a hand, N when your opponent is down to one prize card, and Colress when you and your opponent have a good Bench size.
 
- So would you take out the Pokémon Fan Clubs all together then? Or leave one in, so I can get the Duskulls?
- Also, if I go with the Robo Substitute to act as my "wall", should I get rid of the Ragers?
- Is only 4 fighting energy enough?
- Should I take out one N, and replace it with a Colress?
- is 3-3 Donphan enough? Or should I go 4-4 (assuming I can get someone to trade it to me)?
 
That's a tough question for me to answer because my current version doesn't play Dusknoir line. I still like it I guess, but I decided to go with consistency over techs. If you take it out, and find that you have trouble getting Dusknoir out at all, (You don't have to get it out immediately or anything; it's not like your deck falls apart without it.) then you should probably play it. But without Dusknoir, Korrina and 2 Ultra Ball are plenty of search.

I think which walls you include in Donphan vary from player to player and from meta to meta. My deck includes maximum Robo Substitutes, one Outrager, and a few other tech attackers and walls like Sigilyph and Wobbuffet (though I've been meaning to try three Substitutes over four because I'm not entirely convinced that four is necessary but only further testing will tell). You don't have to play either or; you can play both.

4 Fighting and 4 Strong should be fine. Donphan only needs one attachment to attack. If you're worried about Enhanced Hammer, you can be more careful with your attachments, or in your case just get them back with Lysandre's Trump Card.

I would find something else to take out for a second Colress because I'm a fan of 4 N.

I play either a 4-3 or a 4-4 Donphan line. I can't decide which I like better.
 
I feel 4-4 Donphan is necessary because without Donphan the deck falls apart. 4-3 could work also but then I think Sacred Ash would be helpful. I think 4-4 Donphan is the better option because you can't play Sacred Ash when facing Seismitoad, and that's properly going to be what's killing the Donphans so easily with Lysandres.
 
Well do you think that 4 Float Stones are too much? If I take 1 out I can put another Corless in.

Now that you mention it. I did not get a Dusknoir out at all last game (my fault, discarded my candy). So, I could go with the Robo's instead.
 
terryanddeidra said:
Well do you think that 4 Float Stones are too much? If I take 1 out I can put another Corless in.

Now that you mention it. I did not get a Dusknoir out at all last game (my fault, discarded my candy). So, I could go with the Robo's instead.
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That would be a good idea. Without Dusknoir, you have more room for Robos and consistency.
 
If I take out the Dusknoir line and one Float Stone, that gives me 5 cards to play with, what should I add then?
 
So I don't know why I did not think about this before. But what if I take out the Dusknoir line, and put in Pyroar FLF? That way no matter what the EX is, it can not attack him....
 
So after "careful consideration", or at least what I think is careful, I have decided to try this list instead.

Pokemon: 14

  • 4 Donphan PLS
    4 Phanpy PLS
    2 Pyroar FLF
    2 Litleo PHF (for switch ability)
    1 Zekrom LTR
    1 Sigilyph LTR

Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 36

  • 4 Juniper
    4 N
    3 Korrina
    1 Pokemon Fan Club
    2 Colress
    1 Lysandre's Trump Card
    3 Float Stone
    2 Fighting Stadium
    3 Muscle Band
    2 Lysandre
    2 Startling Megaphone
    2 Ultra Ball
    1 Computer Search
    2 Evosoda
    1 Sacred Ash
    1 Town Map
    2 VS Seeker
Energy: 10

  • 1 Double Colorless Energy
    1 Rainbow Energy
    4 Strong Energy
    4 Fighting Energy

So I know that safeguard pokemon are good walls against EX pokemon. But what about other basics? So I think that Pyroar is a good addition. Additionally with Dusknoir out of the list (he was very upset he did not make the cut) I do not need rare candy. I was able to put in Robo Substatues as well as up Muscle Bands, Colress and the like.

I still have Zekrom for the outrage, and I added a Rainbow energy for Pyroar and Sigilyph.

What I would like to know (your opinion) do you think it would be better to take out the Sigilyph (and the rainbow energy) and but in Snorlax (plasma Storm)?
 
Just a few minor tweaks.

-1 Rainbow Energy
+1 Double Colorless Energy

Using Pyroar and Sigilyph's attacks feels too situational. The second DCE is useful more often because you can use it to power up Outrage or Wreck. It's not a bad play to attach it to Donphan. Wreck is a decent attack; it should not be overlooked.

-1 Evosoda
+1 Switch

I found that between 3 Korrina and 2 Ultra Ball, I had pletny of search options. Evosoda might be nice since you do play two different Stage 1's, but I feel like this deck does need at least one Switch in case your walls fail sleep checks or for what ever reason, you have an effect that prevents you from retreating. It's just something nice to have somewhere in your deck so that you can get it with Korrina.

Snorlax could be a good option, but I personally have never played with it. I could see it being decent against Aromatisse variants to keep them from retreating.
 
So the City Championship....
I beat one Yveltal EX deck my first game.

Almost came down to a tie, but was able to pull off the last prize on the last turn.

Thought it was going to be a good day.
:( Then the rest of the games happened.

So I made all the changes. It was not good :(

Yveltal EX ate my shorts 2 games, and M Manectric EX destroyed me the other.

I could not do anything, all the three other games I had all my prizes left and he was picking up his cards....

Blah!
 
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