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Ending the Reign of Plasma (future deck) (Haxorus/Klinklang)

TJed73

TJed73

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In the last few weeks, I have been looking into potential card combinations for decks after the August release and I stumbled across one that will more than likely spell the end of Plasma Decks. If you have looked into the upcoming set at all, you may have noticed this Haxorus staring back at you.
69-haxorus.jpg

Its second move is the real kicker. So after a couple weeks of pondering how to run the deck, I have come to the following conclusion for my future deck.
Here's my proposed deck list.

4-3-4 PB Haxorus Family (Axew from Dragon Vault, Fraxure from NV)
2-1-2 Klinklang (BW1) Family (Klink and Klang from PS)
2 Landorus EX
2 Cobalion EX

4 Rare Candy
3 Silver Mirror
3 Silver Bangle
2 Pokemon Communication
2 Level Ball
2 Hypnotoxic Laser
1 Superior Energy Retrieval
1 Float Stone
1 Bicycle
1 Cyclone Scoop-Up (ACE SPEC)
2 N
2 Iris
2 Ghetsis
1 Colress
1 Cheren

9 Metal Energy
5 Fighting Energy
4 WLFM Blend

This list is preliminary and is in the experimental stages. Let me know what you think and if you have any suggestions. Thanks.
 
RE: Ending the Reign of Plasma (future deck)

Suddenly, you face a non-plasma deck. What do you do?
 
RE: Ending the Reign of Plasma (future deck)

Teal said:
Suddenly, you face a non-plasma deck. What do you do?
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Haxorus can still be used, along with the 4 EX cards. Klinklang allows me to move metal energy to Haxorus to use its first move, doing 40 times the number attached.
 
RE: Ending the Reign of Plasma (future deck)

I hope you realize that plasma decks can very easily OHKO Haxorus. You're trading prizes, then you realize you're having to set up a stage 2 requiring 2 types of energy with no acceleration every turn, while they're setting up a basic requiring 1 type of energy that does have acceleration every turn. Haxorus, like every stage 2 attacker, can't keep up with basics. While it might not seem like it, Haxorus's first attack is really bad in that you need 3 energy on it just to 2HKO an EX so its completely useless in anything other than Plasma matchups anyway.
 
RE: Ending the Reign of Plasma (future deck)

You may be trading prizes, but in since you give up a single prize as compared to 2 prizes (unless it's kyurem) in a guaranteed single move. Revive should definitely be added, but this deck seems to be at least tier 2.
 
RE: Ending the Reign of Plasma (future deck)

Dark Void said:
I hope you realize that plasma decks can very easily OHKO Haxorus. You're trading prizes, then you realize you're having to set up a stage 2 requiring 2 types of energy with no acceleration every turn, while they're setting up a basic requiring 1 type of energy that does have acceleration every turn. Haxorus, like every stage 2 attacker, can't keep up with basics. While it might not seem like it, Haxorus's first attack is really bad in that you need 3 energy on it just to 2HKO an EX so its completely useless in anything other than Plasma matchups anyway.
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I can only think of one Plasma Pokemon that can knock out Haxorus in one shot, and thats Lugia (and thats only with 2 Deoxys on the bench). And that also is why I included Silver Mirrors, as it prevents all effects from plasma pokemon on non-ex cards such as haxorus. In a perfect scenario, with a rare candy, I can have a Haxorus ready by my 2nd turn (with necessary energy attached). I included the ex cards I did for a reason as well. Landorus for the damage spread and Cobalion for the special energy discard, which is a killer to plasma. As a plus, both of those have one energy cost for their key moves. And if Im presented with a situation where I cant use the inst-kill move, thats why Klinklang is there, so I can move the metal energy to Haxorus so I can potentially have 4-5 energy on for Dragonaxe. That's 160-200 damage (190-230 if Silver Bangle attached). I put some thought into this. Really.
 
RE: Ending the Reign of Plasma (future deck)

Uh...the main attacker of Plasma decks, Kyurem, does just as much damage as Lugia for less energy and isn't an EX. Note the "in a perfect scenario". Also, because you're running 2 different stage 2 lines you have little room in your deck, and to compensate you seem to have cut supporters? That's a really bad move as consistency is probably the most important thing for any deck if you want to play competitively, and your meager supporter line just doesn't cut it. If I could get Haxorus rolling often around turn 3-4 with that small number of draw and search cards I'd chalk it up to a lot of luck. Frankly, if an opponent lets you set up Klinklang and Haxorus as well as get 5 metal energy on the field the field they deserve to lose because that takes a ton of setup and is so easy to screw over with a single Catcher.
 
RE: Ending the Reign of Plasma (future deck)

Going to have to agree with Dark Void here.

2 different stage 2's has always been pretty much impossible in the current format, not to mention that Plasma can be knocking out Axews on the first turn. Even if you manage to get a Haxorus up, they can just demolish it with Kyurem. On the topic of how this would beat other decks, Landorus and Cobalion simply don't cut it as attackers anymore. Blastoise and Darkrai could both easily run through this without much trouble. It's designed to be a counter to a single deck, and unfortunatly, it doesn't even do what it was designed to do. Stage 2 attackers are not current plausible given the current format.

As a note, my arguement is based on the current format. A weird rotation could potentially make anything good.
 
RE: Ending the Reign of Plasma (future deck)

I did a test with Durant.Only problem i had was Kyurem/Deoxys-EX and Weavile/Exeggcute decks.

4x Durant NV
3-2-3 Haxorus (NV Axew,DV Fraxure)
2 Landorus-EX
2 Cobalion-EX

This deck runs your opponent dry.
 
RE: Ending the Reign of Plasma (future deck)

Congrats a Stage 2 that OHKO's all Plasmas. Remember the last Stage 2 Plasmaklang. And he wasn't even your main attacker. Plasmaklang is viable because it is support. On top of that you need 2 energy to attack w/ no acceleration. Trust me its not going to work.

PS BW Klinklang will probably be rotated so...
 
My thought on this deck was and remains: A newer version of Fluffy chomp. Unfortunately, I don't think that this deck is really going to be useful outside of league play and light low level tourny rogue decks. Too many big hitters for a Stage 2 to compete.
 
I think Haxorus will work!,just not now,but later on when more Team Plasma sets come out.(After Plasma Blast.)
 
What about if you add 2-3 (or maybe 4) of these
Silver Mirror – Trainer
Item

Pokemon Tool: Attach a Pokemon Tool to 1 of your Pokemon that doesn’t already have a Pokemon Tool attached to it.

If the Pokemon this Tool is attached to is not a Pokemon-EX, it is unaffected by damage and effects from Team Plasma Pokemon.

You may play as many Item cards as you like during your turn (before your attack).

http://pokebeach.com/scans/japanese/bw9/69.jpg
 
DeckMaster said:
What about if you add 2-3 (or maybe 4) of these
Silver Mirror – Trainer
Item

Pokemon Tool: Attach a Pokemon Tool to 1 of your Pokemon that doesn’t already have a Pokemon Tool attached to it.

If the Pokemon this Tool is attached to is not a Pokemon-EX, it is unaffected by damage and effects from Team Plasma Pokemon.

You may play as many Item cards as you like during your turn (before your attack).

http://pokebeach.com/scans/japanese/bw9/69.jpg
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i have 3 of them listed on the deck list...its a dangerous item...would force plasma decks to run tool scrappers
 
So I think this deck/(Tool) is going to stop Plasma Box
(That is what i think it may be the total opposite we will have to wait and find out)
 
DeckMaster said:
So I think this deck/(Tool) is going to stop Plasma Box
(That is what i think it may be the total opposite we will have to wait and find out)
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This deck in general to be honest I dont think will do much. Especially since genesect can attack w/virizion. Then what?? Again your stage 2 is a main attacker. I mean a STAGE 2!!

If you dont feel like finding the deck in the article here is the list. However its a very good article and a great eye opener so I would read the whole thing
Pokemon:

4x Suicune(Blastoise + Kyurem EX Combo Deck)
3x Terrakion(NVI)
=7


Trainer:

4x Professor Juniper
4x N
4x Skyla
2x Bianca
4x Pokemon Catcher
4x Switch
4x Silver Mirror
4x Eviolite
2x Ultra Ball
2x Energy Search
1x Revive
1x Tool Scrapper
1x Dowsing Machine
2x Tropical Beach
=39
Energy:

5x Water Energy
5x Fighting Energy
4x Double Colorless Energy
=14
and translations:
Suicune – Water – HP100
Basic Pokemon

Ability: Safeguard
Prevent all effects of attacks, including damage, done to this Pokemon by Pokemon-EX.

[W][C][C] Aurora Beam: 70 damage.

Weakness: Grass (x2)
Resistance: none
Retreat: 2


Silver Mirror – Trainer
Item

Pokemon Tool: Attach a Pokemon Tool to 1 of your Pokemon that doesn’t already have a Pokemon Tool attached to it.

If the Pokemon this Tool is attached to is not a Pokemon-EX, it is unaffected by damage and effects from Team Plasma Pokemon.

You may play as many Item cards as you like during your turn (before your attack).

Edited because linking to a different forum for that kind of thing is a no-no. Try not to do it, please. :) ~Kecleon
 
Finally someone who hates Team Plasma as much as I do anyway here is my suggestion

-1 Haxorus run a 4-2-3 at least
-1 Fraxure
-1 Metal}
-1 Fighting} You`ll see why
-1 Blend}
+2 Darkrai EX}
+3 Prism Energy] See why with Klicklang out Free retreat
Could you switch your 2 Fraxures for the Dragon Vault ones with the ability it may help but if not keep the ones from NV and try to run 2 Axew from Plasma Blast to get Iris out.
That`s all i can think of right now. Hope this helped you oh and check my tread if anybody would, help on it would be appreciated.
 
I was just thinking about Mew-EX? Keep Hax' on bench and use Mew-EX?
Just a quick thought i had.
 
Gusto83 said:
I was just thinking about Mew-EX? Keep Hax' on bench and use Mew-EX?
Just a quick thought i had.
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Mew Ex does not seem like that good of a card here, It has less hp than Haxorus, and gives 2 prizes..
 
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