Fairy Discussion Thread

RE: New X / Y Fairy Deck?

One thing to keep in mind is that fairies don't have to center their deck around Xerneas EX. Like with Virizion, there are several colorlress attackers (Mewtwo being the big one) that can take advantage of the energy acceleration provided by Xerneas promo. I think the Xerneas promo sounds like a very solid card on it's own, it's like a Victini EX that gives up one prize. The deck can function the same way those other decks function, power up your attackers with Xerneas and go to town. Aromatisse and Slurpuff can be put in, but they certainly don't have to.
 
RE: New X / Y Fairy Deck?

pokedan24 said:
One thing to keep in mind is that fairies don't have to center their deck around Xerneas EX. Like with Virizion, there are several colorlress attackers (Mewtwo being the big one) that can take advantage of the energy acceleration provided by Xerneas promo. I think the Xerneas promo sounds like a very solid card on it's own, it's like a Victini EX that gives up one prize. The deck can function the same way those other decks function, power up your attackers with Xerneas and go to town. Aromatisse and Slurpuff can be put in, but they certainly don't have to.
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Its a good energy accelerator, I'll give you that for quicker energy, but I see people still using Virizion EX because emerald slash will hit for 50 damage and protect against status conditions. Setting up a Slurpuff might be a little tougher than just taking two turns with Virizion EX.
 
RE: New X / Y Fairy Deck?

That's not the point. Its not how quickly it takes to get the effect of status. The real thing is getting the energy movement and attackers rolling. It would be a deck without no status. That's what's great.
 
New X / Y Fairy Deck?

Dialga EX could be run as a counter to Rayquaza or Black Kyurem EX. I could see fairies having trouble with either of these Dragons since they OHKO everything while fairies 2HKO them back. Dialga can respond with a OHKO.

Now I realize that they would just OKHO it right back and get two prizes, but the only other cold counter to those Dragons is DV Kyurem with a Silver Bangle (and the silver bangle would be a dead card for any other situation). With Dialga, you could get away with a one of and like Hydreigon decks used to do with Cresselia against Mewtwo, they could put it down, move the energy and take the KO.

If BKEX or Rayquaza becomes a serious problem, Dialga EX is something to consider.
 
New X / Y Fairy Deck?

FearThePegasus said:
pokedan24 said:
That would need 2 rainbow energy though. Dialga's attack is colorless.
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Aromatisse can move around rainbow energy.
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But Xerneas can't search the deck for Rainbow energy. It is a colorless energy card until attached to a benched pokemon, so you'd have to do the additional 10 damage to one of your pokemon just to move a rainbow around. It's also a special energy card, which is easier to discard then basic energies.
 
RE: Dialga EX is Fairy Decks

FearThePegasus said:
Also prism could work.
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No it doesn't. It still can't be retrievable from Xerneas' first attack. While yes, it can be Virizion EX-usable, Keldeo EX is generally a better status condition remover.
 
RE: Dialga EX is Fairy Decks

Elbow said:
FearThePegasus said:
Also prism could work.
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No it doesn't. It still can't be retrievable from Xerneas' first attack. While yes, it can be Virizion EX-usable, Keldeo EX is generally a better status condition remover.
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You are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying it can be retrieved with Xerneas... I'm saying that it can be moved around by Aroma, so that it can power up Baby Rayquaza as opposed to Dialga EX. I'm not even talking about its interactions with Virizion EX. Not every energy needs to be retrievable by non-EX Xerneas. Sometimes you know... it's just in your hand and you put it down on the field manually.
 
RE: Dialga EX is Fairy Decks

FearThePegasus said:
Elbow said:
No it doesn't. It still can't be retrievable from Xerneas' first attack. While yes, it can be Virizion EX-usable, Keldeo EX is generally a better status condition remover.
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You are misunderstanding me. I'm not saying it can be retrieved with Xerneas... I'm saying that it can be moved around by Aroma, so that it can power up Baby Rayquaza as opposed to Dialga EX. I'm not even talking about its interactions with Virizion EX. Not every energy needs to be retrievable by non-EX Xerneas. Sometimes you know... it's just in your hand and you put it down on the field manually.
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That's true though. I just figured that if you have a lot of fairy energy off the field and you want to use geomancy you might only be getting 1 or no cards late game whereas without them you can generally get the necessary energy. They are also easier to discard with Cobalion EX, hammers, unattachable by frosslass, etc.
 
RE: Dialga EX is Fairy Decks

Elbow said:
That's true though. I just figured that if you have a lot of fairy energy off the field and you want to use geomancy you might only be getting 1 or no cards late game whereas without them you can generally get the necessary energy. They are also easier to discard with Cobalion EX, hammers, unattachable by frosslass, etc.
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One of the top decks right now almost uses special energy exclusively, what makes that deck different from this one?
 
Metal Pokemon To Counter Fairies.

If Xerneas EX proves to be popular, I could see metal pokemon being splashed into decks (with rainbow energy). I think the best counter for Xerneas is Energy Crush Cobalion that can OHKO a fully powered Xerneas for two energy (or you can just Iron Breaker with muscle band). But I also see a few other quirky metal pokemon that while not good are not as bad as they were before.

Scizor (BC): Slashing Strike does 100 damage and is reasonably costed at MCC. It also has steel slash that does 40 (CC) and prevents it from being hurt by EX's for a turn. That actually could be useful now with catcher nerfed.

Durant (PLS): Metal Jail does 30 plus retreat lock for (MC). The retreat lock alone could pose problems for fairies if they're relying on fairy garden, but it's the plasma typing that makes metal jail able to reach magic numbers at such a low cost. 3 Deoxys and a silver bangle one shots Xerneas while 2 Deoxys with Muscle Band (or 4 Deoxys) lets it take care of things like Kyurem and regular Xerneas. It also has call for backup which makes it not completely dead weight against non fairies.

Lucario (PLS): I actually think this is a strong enough card on it's own and am surprised it hasn't seen more play. For FCC, you do 60 plus 30 more for each prize an opponent has taken. When you're opponent is down to their last prize, you can do 210 damage which is amazing for that cost. But it also has an ability that lets you treat it as a metal pokemon if you have a metal energy attached to it (blend or rainbow works too). So not only do you hit Darkrai for weakness, but you also hit fairies and plasma Kyurems. You can do this after only one prize has been taken (or none if you have Silver Bangle/Muscle Band).

Again, the most practical counter is probably Cobalion (I don't think much of Skarmory EX), but I like to think these other neglected metal pokemon could find a niche now that they can hit a potentially popular deck for weakness.
 
RE: Fairy Discussion Thread?

Excellent discussion so far. Does anybody else think that Wigglytuff (XY 89) is going to see a lot of play? It's basically a Fairy-type Stage One version of Noble Victories Cobalion. Speaking of which, Wigglytuff vs. Cobalion. The only way you can really win is get the attacking advantage.

Xerneas EX is pretty good. 4 for 140 is decent and can be repeated with Rush In, retreat. Regular Xerneas is excellent with Aromatisse, especially if there is a way to get those Energies out of the discard pile quickly. Slurpuff is basically Virizion EX, but with evolution, lower health and no Two-Prize drawback. Yeah, all those Steel types are great counters and could see a little more usage.
 
RE: Fairy Discussion Thread?

BlazikenBro said:
Excellent discussion so far. Does anybody else think that Wigglytuff (XY 89) is going to see a lot of play? It's basically a Fairy-type Stage One version of Noble Victories Cobalion. Speaking of which, Wigglytuff vs. Cobalion. The only way you can really win is get the attacking advantage.

Xerneas EX is pretty good. 4 for 140 is decent and can be repeated with Rush In, retreat. Regular Xerneas is excellent with Aromatisse, especially if there is a way to get those Energies out of the discard pile quickly. Slurpuff is basically Virizion EX, but with evolution, lower health and no Two-Prize drawback. Yeah, all those Steel types are great counters and could see a little more usage.
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I don't actually find straight fairy's to be that good. Xerneas EX isn't that good and is completely outclassed by other attackers. The deck can't easily OHKO. The "tanky" variation just gets completely wrecked by OHKO decks. The only solid way to play this deck would be the "techy" version and even then it has some pretty big flaws. I think I'm going to hold off on this deck until a solid fairy attacker is released.
 
Camoclone said:
BlazikenBro said:
Excellent discussion so far. Does anybody else think that Wigglytuff (XY 89) is going to see a lot of play? It's basically a Fairy-type Stage One version of Noble Victories Cobalion. Speaking of which, Wigglytuff vs. Cobalion. The only way you can really win is get the attacking advantage.

Xerneas EX is pretty good. 4 for 140 is decent and can be repeated with Rush In, retreat. Regular Xerneas is excellent with Aromatisse, especially if there is a way to get those Energies out of the discard pile quickly. Slurpuff is basically Virizion EX, but with evolution, lower health and no Two-Prize drawback. Yeah, all those Steel types are great counters and could see a little more usage.
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I don't actually find straight fairy's to be that good. Xerneas EX isn't that good and is completely outclassed by other attackers. The deck can't easily OHKO. The "tanky" variation just gets completely wrecked by OHKO decks. The only solid way to play this deck would be the "techy" version and even then it has some pretty big flaws. I think I'm going to hold off on this deck until a solid fairy attacker is released.
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I agree, unfortunatly, Xerneas and Xerneas EX just don't quite cut it as attackers. It can work because it can be built very consistently, but consistency doesn't mean anything if you can't put up damage. In my personal opinion, the best way to run fairies is to go straight fairies but with Mewtwo EX. He's just a solid attacker with that kind of energy manipulation and support.
 
Camoclone said:
grantm1999 said:
Mewtwo EX is apparently good and popular in straight Fairies now.
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The deck still loses to Rayboar and Blastoise.
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I happen to have a better matchup to Blastoise then Rayboar. Only if they go all out with BKEX then I lose.
 
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