First Edition Shadowless

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nvrBungeeJumped

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Okay so basic information we all know, but just to clarify...

In the base set:

1st ED: has first edition stamp on the left | no shadow around the border of the photo | no set symbol
Shadowless: does not have 1st ED stamp | no shadow around the border of the photo | no set symbol
Unlimited: does not have 1st ED stamp | has a shadow around the border of the photo | no set symbol

Is this only for the English Base Set?
Looking at 1st edition French, they seem to have a shadow.

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Can anyone see the shadow on the French one or is it just me? What makes me wonder is the PSA Graded Dracaufeu/Charizard... so it must be legit. Anyone know if it's just an English 1st ED thing?

Thank you who take a look and provide their opinion/knowledge on this.
 
RE: first edition shadow

I think only the English got the shadowless print run
 
RE: first edition shadow

The-Kaiser said:
I think only the English got the shadowless print run
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Is there any literature anywhere on this? I'de love to know.
I've also been trying to find a first edition Japanese base set card to look at, but for some reason an image of one is tough to locate. Did they ever 1st ED stamp the Japanese ones?

The Dracaufeu's wings also look green; which I've herd is a trait of the 1st Ed and Shadowless sets, correct or no?
 
RE: first edition shadow

nvrBungeeJumped said:
The-Kaiser said:
I think only the English got the shadowless print run
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Did they ever 1st ED stamp the Japanese ones?
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No. Japanese 1st Edition did not start till Vs.
 
RE: first edition shadow

I may try get a first edition French base set booster pack to check.

I keep finding myself at page 20+ of my search results with no answers.


....or if I was smart, someone probably does an opening on YouTube >_<

I'll checked that in the morning.
 
RE: first edition shadow

Only the English cards are Shadowless.
All the other European and Asian languages all have shadow on the 1st edition cards.
 
RE: first edition shadow

http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-foreign-cards-database-in-the-works-updated

This should help you.
Like others have said, the European languages printed in 1st edition, but they were shadowed. There is no true 1st edition Base for Japanese either.
 
RE: first edition shadow

There's no 'true' Japanese 1st editions, but people call the Base Set cards with no rarity symbol the first print run.
 
RE: first edition shadow

@evilpacman
Were these any variations in the Japanese base set, or was there only one edition of Japanese Base set? Also I see you state, "All Unlimited, First Edition and Reverse Holo cards correspond with English sets." In French there only was a first edition shadowed and unlimited printing (but the 102 Pokémon line up is still the same), correct?

I checked YouTube and all the French first edition bar pack openings look like they have a shadow.

Does anyone know why this is? Maybe the French first edition base cards were released at the some tumors as the English Unlimited cards?

theducktamer said:
There's no 'true' Japanese 1st editions, but people call the Base Set cards with no rarity symbol the first print run.
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okay so in Japanese these was one run of the base set with no rarity symbol and another run with the rarity symbol?
 
RE: first edition shadow

Only English cards were printed Shadowless. After a short time, WOTC decided that the cards looked better with a shadow, so they switched over. Around the same time, they started printing foreign language cards. That's why all foreign language Base Set cards (1st edition and unlimited) have shadows. Every single one of them have shadows.

Now Japanese are little different. These cards were NOT printed by WOTC so they went through a different design process. The first print run of Japanese cards did NOT have a rarity symbol. After Pokemon started gaining popularity, the rarity symbols were added. Finding Japanese Base Set cards with no rarity symbol is VERY HARD. There are VERY low numbers of these cards.

There are NO reverse holo Base Set cards.

These are the English types:
1st Edition SHADOWLESS
SHADOWLESS Unlimited
SHADOWED Unlimited
SHADOWED "4th Print" Unlimited (Printed with "1999-2000" copyright, only released in UK)

Foreign Language Types:
SHADOWED 1st Edition
SHADOWED Unlimited

The cards above were printed by WOTC and have the same 102 cards in the same order in the set. The only thing different is card appearance and language.

Japanese Base Set:
Cards without Rarity Symbol
Cards with Rarity Symbol
 
RE: first edition shadow

Pretty much what theducktamer said. I believe it is stated at the beginning of the guide that Shadowless only exists in French. The "All Unlimited, First Edition and Reverse Holo cards correspond with English sets." part really just means that if you have a set in English, it will be exactly the same in that other language. Languages that dont correspond with English would be Korean and Japanese.

The only difference from what theducktamer said is this:
The Base set for Japanese includes the cards with rarity symbols and the cards without them. Some people think of the ones without the rarity symbols as being first edition, but that isnt the case. I dont believe it has anything to do with them being printed first and, in fact, I believe they were printed along side the main set. The only difference is that the ones without the symbol were found in random starter decks.

I may be wrong about this, but my understanding is that they were all printed around the same time.
 
RE: first edition shadow

Japanese cards without rarity marks are promos or released in decks.
 
RE: first edition shadow

evilpacman said:
Shadowless only exists in French.
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@evilpacman do you mean English?

Also @theducktamer thank you for clarifying.


side note: just wondering is it possible to get a complete no rarity Japanese base set or were only certain cards in special sets printed with no rarity and not the entire set?
 
RE: first edition shadow

^^ A complete set (except for Chansey) sold on Yahoo Japan late last year.
It's the only one I've seen, but there may be others.

omahanime said:
Japanese cards withoth rarity marks are promos or released in decks.
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Including the Base Set ones? I've seen many of the Japanese Base Set theme decks opened and they all had rarity symbols.
 
RE: first edition shadow

I have the French and Spanish 1st Edition Base Sets complete, all are legit and they are all shadowed :) so they are real and didn't come shadowless :)

Also, I have a complete Japanese Base Set with no rarity symbol, so you can get them, just not often, here is a link to what I posted on here of one of the Japanese Base Sets I have; http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-the-collector-s-showcase-post-pictures-of-any-type-of-pokémon-collection?page=33
 
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