@josie0001 The thing that concerns me about blocking the "effects of your opponent's attacks" is, in that instance, the person in control of Magearna is attacking...not me. Since I'm not attacking, how can it be negating the effects of my attack?
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@CombatPastor I completely agree with your logic, and it honestly made more sense to me that way at first too than the way the situation actually works. The logic seems to be that any effect that you, as a player, attempt to do to your opponent that results in them taking damage counters is considered an effect of an attack.
Another example that makes a bit more sense: the Water Shuriken ability of XY Greninja can place 3 damage counters from the bench; it'a not an attack, since it's not coming from your active Pokemon in the attack phase, but it is blocked because it's an effect of an attack (ie damage counters) done by you as a player. Same goes for Bats and Forrestress. You, a player, are attempting to place counters, which isn't an attack but an effect of an attack. Confusing? Oh yeah. I'm talking like I have my brain completely wrapped around it, which I don't lol.
Another example that makes a bit more sense: the Water Shuriken ability of XY Greninja can place 3 damage counters from the bench; it'a not an attack, since it's not coming from your active Pokemon in the attack phase, but it is blocked because it's an effect of an attack (ie damage counters) done by you as a player. Same goes for Bats and Forrestress. You, a player, are attempting to place counters, which isn't an attack but an effect of an attack. Confusing? Oh yeah. I'm talking like I have my brain completely wrapped around it, which I don't lol.
Are you sure?
Bursting Balloon's effect is triggered by, in this case, the Magaerna EX's deck player attacking my Bursting Balloon attached Pokémon. Bursting Balloon's effect states: "... When the Pokemon this card is attached to is damaged by an opponent’s Pokemon’s attack, put 6 damage counters on the attacking Pokemon." So, in this case, my turn had already ended; there are no effects of my Pokémon in play; and Magearna EX's Ability had no effects to prevent during my turn...
Just doesn't seem right to me, but I could be mistaken.
I think you should run DCE.
For what purpose?
Every deck should probably run it. :/
Not necessarily. Consider Volcanion; all "good" variant decks (IMO) just run Fire Basic energy. Another example is a Greninja deck too.
Am I sure? When it comes to Magearna, I'm never sure lol. I THINK I'm right, because the logic makes sense to me and because when PTCGO is consistent on something it's generally correct, and Magearna always blocks balloons on PTCGO, so I tend to think it's correct. That said, if there's anyone out there more qualified to speak about this, please do so!
(Addendum: we really need a Magearna EX thread with a definitive list of cards that it blocks.)
@CombatPastor I completely agree with your logic, and it honestly made more sense to me that way at first too than the way the situation actually works. The logic seems to be that any effect that you, as a player, attempt to do to your opponent that results in them taking damage counters is considered an effect of an attack.
Another example that makes a bit more sense: the Water Shuriken ability of XY Greninja can place 3 damage counters from the bench; it'a not an attack, since it's not coming from your active Pokemon in the attack phase, but it is blocked because it's an effect of an attack (ie damage counters) done by you as a player. Same goes for Bats and Forrestress. You, a player, are attempting to place counters, which isn't an attack but an effect of an attack. Confusing? Oh yeah. I'm talking like I have my brain completely wrapped around it, which I don't lol.
the xy greninja does not get stopped. it is an ability, not an attack. and secondly. bursting balloon is not an attack. therefore it should not be blocked. because if it was an attack. then if both players have bursting balloons attatched they would both trigger. they do not. therefore it is not classified as an attack. therefore shuld not be blocked by magearna.
Before I first responded, I also checked with 2 different professors too. As I had thought, Magearna EX's Ability would not prevent the Bursting Balloon's effect.
Also, given the complexities of programming (my experience) each and every Pokémon card, I know it's far from easy; so, it wouldn't surprise me that glitch may have slipped through the cracks...
Hey @TuxedoBlack that's enough proof for me - I very much appreciate your thoroughness! The logic makes sense either way, which is just confusing. I reiterate, we need a thread to address Magearna. I'll poke around; there may be a resource available somewhere on the site already, and if not, I'll start one.
All that said, I'm still pretty sure it blocks abilites of both Greninja XY and BREAK, as they are effects of a player's attacks. If it doesn't, someone correct me, but if that's the case, then I have no clue what the heck Magearna does lol.
Also, my apologies to @Sonkyhaner - I feel like we've hijacked his thread with this discussion haha.
The logic makes sense either way, which is just confusing. I reiterate, we need a thread to address Magearna. I'll poke around; there may be a resource available somewhere on the site already, and if not, I'll start one.All that said, I'm still pretty sure it blocks abilites of both Greninja XY and BREAK, as they are effects of a player's attacks. If it doesn't, someone correct me, but if that's the case, then I have no clue what the heck Magearna does lol.
Also, my apologies to @Sonkyhaner - I feel like we've hijacked his thread with this discussion haha.
Ey no problem man
Yw. I may be running Balloons in a deck at an upcoming Regional tournament; so, I definitely had a vested interest in the discussion and did not want to miss any opportunity to drop those damage counters. Lol.Hey @TuxedoBlack that's enough proof for me - I very much appreciate your thoroughness!
Why not just start the discussion in the TCG News and Discussion Forum?