Gardevoir (ND # 57) {11/19/12}

[Vulpix Yolk]

Card of the Day: Gardevoir​

 

[RegiReal]

A decent card, provides some psychic acceleration. although i would think that hydreigon with blends and prism would work better for psychics like cresselia, but gardevoir works well with mewtwo because it only requires 1 energy to attack and 2 two use psydrive, with cresselia and hydreigon however you can attack with cresselia because you can attack then retreat heal, and move the energies to a new attacker, however i guess garevoire could help with cresselia but hydreigon max potion has better synergy.

 

[PMJ]

Gardevoir is one of the hottest Pokemon ever conceived, but she has no place in this format. She is the engine for every deck built around her, and that makes her prime Catcher bait. As a Stage 2, it is hard to keep her (or multiple copies of her) on the field at the same time; decks revolving around her will crumble when she is inevitably picked off time and time again (a fairly easy feat with only 110 HP). Her presence on the field also doubles your Energy whether you want it to or not, which just means Mewtwo-EX (one of the BCIF) rips through you that much more quickly. It's this that keeps any deck utilizing Gardevoir from becoming competitively viable.

 

[RegiReal]

Gardevoir is one of the hottest Pokemon ever conceived, but she has no place in this format. She is the engine for every deck built around her, and that makes her prime Catcher bait. As a Stage 2, it is hard to keep her (or multiple copies of her) on the field at the same time; decks revolving around her will crumble when she is inevitably picked off time and time again (a fairly easy feat with only 110 HP). Her presence on the field also doubles your Energy whether you want it to or not, which just means Mewtwo-EX (one of the BCIF) rips through you that much more quickly. It's this that keeps any deck utilizing Gardevoir from becoming competitively viable.

Well ya the frailness of her is definently a draw back, all in all she is underwhelming. but playable to a very tiny extent.

 

[PMJ]

Not in any tournament you hope to win. Mewtwo-EX is literally Gardevoir's worst nightmare; it's so common and so easy to use that Gardevoir just cannot function well in this format. And since Gardevoir and Mewtwo-EX are in the same set...

 

[PumpedAaron]

Not in any tournament you hope to win. Mewtwo-EX is literally Gardevoir's worst nightmare; it's so common and so easy to use that Gardevoir just cannot function well in this format. And since Gardevoir and Mewtwo-EX are in the same set...

Heyy.... what if you pair Gardevoir ND and Gothitelle (Magic Room) EPO together? Now they can't use Catcher!

 

[Dork Void]

Not in any tournament you hope to win. Mewtwo-EX is literally Gardevoir's worst nightmare; it's so common and so easy to use that Gardevoir just cannot function well in this format. And since Gardevoir and Mewtwo-EX are in the same set...

Heyy.... what if you pair Gardevoir ND and Gothitelle (Magic Room) EPO together? Now they can't use Catcher!

Please tell me you're joking. PLEASE.

 

[PumpedAaron]

Heyy.... what if you pair Gardevoir ND and Gothitelle (Magic Room) EPO together? Now they can't use Catcher!

Please tell me you're joking. PLEASE.

Geez! I thought it was worth considering at least. I know its an almost staple rule NOT to have 2 different Stage 2's, on account of consistency, but I thought locking your opponent's Item cards out could possibly redeem that weakness.

2 Stage 2's worked well for David Cohen in 2011, for instance. Hell, he even had a Pokemon LEGEND!

But anyway, more on topic. I think its at least worth testing. not everybody runs 4 Mewtwo EX or anything, and he's cheap enough to tech in that same Deck, too. When you lock Items, you can't get Catchered out, your opponent can't Switch or deny prizes with Super Scoop Up, can't use Balls, can't Computer Search. Can't heal with Max Potion.

Seriously. Item lock takes a LOT away from your opponent, and that should definitely give time for Ralts to evolve and stay safe on the Bench. And then you just decimate with Mad Kinesis. Catcher KO any Mewtwo EX before it becomes a threat.

 

[MountainDrew]

Heyy.... what if you pair Gardevoir ND and Gothitelle (Magic Room) EPO together? Now they can't use Catcher!

Please tell me you're joking. PLEASE.

Geez! I thought it was worth considering at least. I know its an almost staple rule NOT to have 2 different Stage 2's, on account of consistency, but I thought locking your opponent's Item cards out could possibly redeem that weakness.

2 Stage 2's worked well for David Cohen in 2011, for instance. Hell, he even had a Pokemon LEGEND!

But anyway, more on topic. I think its at least worth testing. not everybody runs 4 Mewtwo EX or anything, and he's cheap enough to tech in that same Deck, too. When you lock Items, you can't get Catchered out, your opponent can't Switch or deny prizes with Super Scoop Up, can't use Balls, can't Computer Search. Can't heal with Max Potion.

Seriously. Item lock takes a LOT away from your opponent, and that should definitely give time for Ralts to evolve and stay safe on the Bench. And then you just decimate with Mad Kinesis. Catcher KO any Mewtwo EX before it becomes a threat.

Lol that was google cawthon who ran that deck, David ran magneboar

 

[Infinity]

David ran RDL.

 

[Blah]

Every deck runs Mewtwo nowadays. I really can't think of any serious ones besides Rayeels that doesn't run at least one or two copies of it (except MAYBE Darkrai/Hydreigon, and you really should be running it in that also).

The format was also VERY different back then. Getting up a Stage 2 wasn't nearly as difficult, and Vileplume didn't have to be active for it to work.

 

[Dork Void]

Heyy.... what if you pair Gardevoir ND and Gothitelle (Magic Room) EPO together? Now they can't use Catcher!

Please tell me you're joking. PLEASE.

Geez! I thought it was worth considering at least. I know its an almost staple rule NOT to have 2 different Stage 2's, on account of consistency, but I thought locking your opponent's Item cards out could possibly redeem that weakness.

2 Stage 2's worked well for David Cohen in 2011, for instance. Hell, he even had a Pokemon LEGEND!

But anyway, more on topic. I think its at least worth testing. not everybody runs 4 Mewtwo EX or anything, and he's cheap enough to tech in that same Deck, too. When you lock Items, you can't get Catchered out, your opponent can't Switch or deny prizes with Super Scoop Up, can't use Balls, can't Computer Search. Can't heal with Max Potion.

Seriously. Item lock takes a LOT away from your opponent, and that should definitely give time for Ralts to evolve and stay safe on the Bench. And then you just decimate with Mad Kinesis. Catcher KO any Mewtwo EX before it becomes a threat.

So...you weren't joking? I shouldn't have gotten my hopes up.

I'm really not sure how adding a stage 2 with a below average attack who is OHKOed by mewtwo helps a deck that is already slow and mewtwo-weak. They don't need to catcher when they can just OHKO everything on your field without you KOing consistently back because you have no actual acceleration and even with Gardy out your attacker requires 2 or more energy (plus its a stage 2 so good luck swarming them).

The decks worked back then because there were no EXes that simply one shot everything on the field. Magneboar was plausable only because it couldn't be OHKOed by the popular basic attacker at the time, Reshiram, and it could OHKO back, so, with luck and a very fine tuned list it could win. The opposite is true of Gardevoir/Gothitelle: as opposed to making up for less swarmability with winning the prize trade, you lose the prize trade AND the consistency. Item locking your opponent for a turn here or there does not help your consistency, and, because you require a stage 2 up for it to work, its not going to hinder their consistency enough either.

And nobody runs 4 Mewtwo in anything. Nobody ever has. It really doesn't matter; one is enough to wreck this deck with just a DCE. Also, any other basic attacker wins the prize trade with you too, just most of them don't OHKO (you're still trading stage 2s for basics though).