Gengar EX and M Gengar EX

I am currently testing a Mega Gengar deck that uses Celebi-EX (BCR). I still primarily use Dark Corridor to hit and run, hiding behind Robos or Sigilyphs, but the extra HP makes him a lot more survivable, and I also find myself using Phantom Gate to access powerful finishing moves when the opportunity presents itself.
 
Not sure what the Celebi does. The Magnezone is to speed up the deck. Without it, it can take a really long time to get set up. and without garbador, Virizion jacks you up while you're prepping. No magnezone can lead to 150 dmg, before you can even attack. a virbank-ed laser finishes you off before Gengar realizes which way is up. If you're going to run this deck, make sure it's quick. speed is your best friend. And you will always lose to Vir/Gen. His attack just doesn't cut it. Not when you're only doing 50- 100 dmg. Also, you'll need plasma energy or expect to lose to Lugia and/or Plasma.
 
Celebi's ability allows any evolution cards to use the attack of a any Pokemon underneath it. This means M-Gengar can use its Dark Corridor or Night Attack attack whenever it wants.
 
Not bad. :). I still prefer magnezone and/or garbador. I think Gengar EX only does 60 dmg? Nice avatar, btw. :)/ That used to be one of my favorites in the VG. ruby and saphire on, i believe. :)

I don't think i'd use Celebi, not with M Gengar EX being the only evolution in the deck. Unless you're running garbador, but you never want to attack with him.
 
oXHASEOXo said:
Not bad. :). I still prefer magnezone and/or garbador. I think Gengar EX only does 60 dmg? Nice avatar, btw. :)/ That used to be one of my favorites in the VG. ruby and saphire on, i believe. :)

I don't think i'd use Celebi, not with M Gengar EX being the only evolution in the deck. Unless you're running garbador, but you never want to attack with him.
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The point of the attack is to both poison your opponent and switch into a wall, such as a safeguard when vsing EX decks, or an ability blocker (Wobuffet PHF), Item locker (Trevenant XY) or even the prize denying robo subsitute.

And thnx ;)
 
bbninjas said:
oXHASEOXo said:
Not bad. :)
i still prefer magnezone and/or garbador. I think Gengar EX only does 60 dmg?
Nice avatar, btw. :)
that used to be one of my favorites in the VG. ruby and saphire on, i believe. :)

I don't think i'd use Celebi, not with M Gengar EX being the only evolution in the deck.
unless you're running garbador, but you never want to attack with him.
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The point of the attack is to both poison your opponent and switch into a wall, such as a safeguard when vsing EX decks, or an ability blocker (Wobuffet PHF), Item locker (Trevenant XY) or even the prize denying robo subsitute.

And thnx ;)
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I understand. It's just that, i never got to evolve all of my Gengar Exs. So rather than Celebi, i'd rather just run gengar ex without evolving. There's better techs than Celebi for him. Even Seismitoad would buy turn time and then rotate him out (near death) and max potion him to save the bench kill. I wouldn't worry about power up time. The Psychic stadium that came out recently allows to attack for 1 less energy. so in two turns you can hit with either Gengar.
 
I canceled this deck. 2 of them that i know of showed up at Colorado States and they got crushed. This deck wasn't even a threat, in fact compared to the other decks, it was laughable and considered a free win if you ended up facing it. Too slow and doesn't hit hard enough. I watched toad decks (the second weakest deck at the tourny) take it down over and over again. And Joe's Night March deck didn't lose a single prize to it, either game. It was best 2 out of 3 for the win
 
oXHASEOXo said:
I canceled this deck. 2 of them that i know of showed up at Colorado States and they got crushed. This deck wasn't even a threat, in fact compared to the other decks, it was laughable and considered a free win if you ended up facing it. Too slow and doesn't hit hard enough. I watched toad decks (the second weakest deck at the tourny) take it down over and over again. And Joe's Night March deck didn't lose a single prize to it, either game. It was best 2 out of 3 for the win
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Honestly, Gengar has never been a great deck. There are certainly decks faster. Also, Toad is most definitely NOT the second weakest deck. It is like the best, currently.
 
Gengar EX/Raichu/Trevenant was the top seed Day 1 of IL States (6-0-1).

And at what tourney are Toad decks the second weakest? Toad has dominated the scene since its been printed.

I'm not saying that Gengar is suddenly the best card in format, but it has more potential than people seem to realize.
 
I understand. But it may have just had a lucky draw of opponents. And Toad WAS the second weakest deck at the tourny. Not a single toad deck made it to Top 16. In fact they were all sitting at the last 2 tables with me, all in dead last place. Just in front of a pikachu deck and the gengar decks.
and i've yet to see a toad take first, so i'm not sure how it's dominating. Below is the list of my toad deck, which did the best out of all the toad decks at the tourny. with 1 win, 3 draws, 3 losses. Toad takes too much time, you never get through game 3. Toad decks are there to create draws and disrupt the flow of the tourny, not to win...
Top 8 and results posted here. http://www.pokebeach.com/forums/thread-tier-1-yveltal-ex-variants?page=10

Gengar does have potential. However it needs support from another set before it's a heavy contender. Night March, is becoming a common deck and it walks on Gengar. So does Lando-Bats. And Primal Kyogre. And M Gardevoir (fairy). Unless it comes up with something to balance it, even if it makes top cut it won't make it past either of the above decks without serious luck.
 
You have a couple of odd ball plays in there (why Robo Subs? You could easily make room for Garbodor), but it's a mostly solid looking deck. Maybe Toad doesn't fit your play style. I know it doesn't fit mine.

I wish I had a reference point to show you that Toad, in it's many variations, is at the top of the leaderboard at nearly every tournament. Google was no help at all an I don't have a Facebook, which seems to be where a lot of results are posted.
 
totodile_it_down said:
You have a couple of odd ball plays in there (why Robo Subs? You could easily make room for Garbodor), but it's a mostly solid looking deck. Maybe Toad doesn't fit your play style. I know it doesn't fit mine.

I wish I had a reference point to show you that Toad, in it's many variations, is at the top of the leaderboard at nearly every tournament. Google was no help at all an I don't have a Facebook, which seems to be where a lot of results are posted.
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The Robo Substitutes are way better than switches. The idea is: after a KO, you promote a robo substitute. If they KO it, they activate your teammates (supporter) which is huge for hunting any cards you need including DCE. If they leave it alone, then you can discard it and promote. It's way better than switch because in a mirror match (or just against a Toad tech) you can use it to switch out. Whereas, if you run switch their toad shuts you down and puts you in a tight place. Robo is in play and therefore his ability to discard can still be activated.
That's because there's normally one that Luck draws opponents and makes it to top cut, however they never end up winning. The closest to winning was Top 8 in the Winter Regionals. And he got stomped out by... Lando-Bats, I believe. Either that or it was a Vir/Gen deck he lost to. Which i ran into 2 Vir/Gen decks at States and I drew both of them. His Victini idea was alright but in a mirror match my Yveltal would trump as my toad would hit his fire for weakness. and Yveltal would dominate Toad. Magnetric is alright, but he takes too long to power up. And with Lysandre, i just pulled him forward for the KO. Leaving only his toads (which would take 6 turns, to KO any of my pokemon). The magnetric combo was considered the top one at states and i stomped it out. Twice. We rebattled after the tourny :)
 
Wookiee Scholar said:
@totodile, which Raichu did you play? And was it the item lock Trevanent?
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I wish it were my deck. It was google Cawthon who created/piloted the deck, who is a very experienced player. While I'm sure luck in matchups played a role, it's impossible to completely write off his success so easily. He's a very good player with a well thought out list.

It was Raichu XY (Circle Circuit attack, obviously a counter for Yveltal because Gengar is weak to Dark) and Trevenant XY (Forest's Curse ability). I believe there may have been a short line of Dragalge as well. I didn't play against him and it's discouraged to crowd around the tables so I wasn't able to get a super close look at the deck.
 
Remember to stay on topic everyone. If you'd like to talk about Seismitoad's success, do it in the Seismitoad thread in Metagame Deck Discussion, or PM/Profile Comment.

You people talking about Gengar are fine though. :)
 
totodile_it_down said:
Wookiee Scholar said:
@totodile, which Raichu did you play? And was it the item lock Trevanent?
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I wish it were my deck. It was google Cawthon who created/piloted the deck, who is a very experienced player. While I'm sure luck in matchups played a role, it's impossible to completely write off his success so easily. He's a very good player with a well thought out list.

It was Raichu XY (Circle Circuit attack, obviously a counter for Yveltal because Gengar is weak to Dark) and Trevenant XY (Forest's Curse ability). I believe there may have been a short line of Dragalge as well. I didn't play against him and it's discouraged to crowd around the tables so I wasn't able to get a super close look at the deck.
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I understand. I just think Gengar is a little too slow for Yveltal. And without items, getting to M Gengar can be a pain, leading to skipped turns.
it's the same at ours, we are not allowed to spectate.
and i know gengar runs dimesion valley, but if a virbank laser hits the field for 60 damage per turn, you'll have Knock outs coming gengar's way from even small hitters (such as toad's 30-50)
 
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