They say he possessed these, but when he was pulled over for speed (and when he told the officer he had a gun) he only had one. And he's not the only one to owe more than one gun.professorlight said:
George Zimmerman Arrested Once Again
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I must say, I kind of expected this to happen one way or another. It always seems whenever we see people in the media they immediately pop up again, but in the opposite light of what they were in last time, usually. Last time, he was made out to be a bad guy, and once again this article is making him out to be a bad guy. (At least the way I read it.) I say he should get his CONCEALED carrying permit revoked, but let him still have a carrying permit and confiscate the rifle and shotgun and leave the handguns.
gamefreak33797, I would agree partially with what you said about revoking the concealed carry permit. However, even without this, the handguns are much more dangerous for him to posses than the rifle and shotgun. The rifle and shotgun might be used for hunting (or the shotgun for self-defense in his home) and they are much harder to conceal. He could still take the handguns with him anywhere without anyone noticing pretty easily, and not have to say anything. Although I am not sure under what legal grounds they could take his firearms away from him.
Also, Professorlight, my father (and I, but not quite to the same extent) own guns on or near the same level as what Zimmerman owns. We have a ton of ammo in our basement and garage. My father owns a fully automatic rifle, and so does my grandfather (with the correct permits, of course). My father is a police officer, as I believe I mentioned previously, and my grandfather was too, along with being in the military during the Vietnam War. The amount and type of guns we own reflects on literally nothing but maybe what activities we are involved in, such as recreational shooting (at the range) or hunting, (or being on the SWAT team, haha) and it certainly isn't an indicator for what kind of people we are. Hopefully this makes my previous point more clear. It means nothing, even in regards to this article, what type or how many weapons he owns. Professorlight, I hope very much that the number of guns in my car after my 21st birthday is over zero, but before then it better not be unless I'm hunting, which I don't enjoy all that much.
My point stands, I'm frustrated that they mentioned he told the officer about his handgun. He is supposed to do that, that does not incriminate him. His previous behavior might, but this does not, and neither does his possession of a "god damn semiautomatic rifle." This makes me more inclined to like him than not, if that was all I knew about him.
But yes, he does seem like a crazy guy now, as has been pointed out several times. He very well might have told the cop about the handgun because he has some weird obsession with police, but that doesn't change the fact that it had no relevance (in the context of that article alone, with the other information we have it could definitely be seen as a behavioral pattern.)
Also, Professorlight, my father (and I, but not quite to the same extent) own guns on or near the same level as what Zimmerman owns. We have a ton of ammo in our basement and garage. My father owns a fully automatic rifle, and so does my grandfather (with the correct permits, of course). My father is a police officer, as I believe I mentioned previously, and my grandfather was too, along with being in the military during the Vietnam War. The amount and type of guns we own reflects on literally nothing but maybe what activities we are involved in, such as recreational shooting (at the range) or hunting, (or being on the SWAT team, haha) and it certainly isn't an indicator for what kind of people we are. Hopefully this makes my previous point more clear. It means nothing, even in regards to this article, what type or how many weapons he owns. Professorlight, I hope very much that the number of guns in my car after my 21st birthday is over zero, but before then it better not be unless I'm hunting, which I don't enjoy all that much.
My point stands, I'm frustrated that they mentioned he told the officer about his handgun. He is supposed to do that, that does not incriminate him. His previous behavior might, but this does not, and neither does his possession of a "god damn semiautomatic rifle." This makes me more inclined to like him than not, if that was all I knew about him.
But yes, he does seem like a crazy guy now, as has been pointed out several times. He very well might have told the cop about the handgun because he has some weird obsession with police, but that doesn't change the fact that it had no relevance (in the context of that article alone, with the other information we have it could definitely be seen as a behavioral pattern.)
I think this says a lot about him as a person, he has anger issues and that's what started this mess in the first place.
Re: RE: George Zimmerman Arrested Once Again
Valid point, yes. But Zimmerman would never carry a handgun without a ccp. It will feel bad to him.MtheW said:
I'm pretty sure that may be illegal, depending on the make and model, and where you live.
Haha, sorry Red Rain, maybe I wasn't clear. You can get permits to own fully automatic rifles if you are in law enforcement and go through the right training courses. I assure you, my dad's rifle is perfectly legal.
And I see what your saying about him feeling bad about carrying a pistol without a ccp, but honestly I think he would only feel bad about not telling the cops. He would still carry it unless it was taken from him, as other people have pointed out he is fanatic more about being like a cop than following the law.
Edit: Also, any civilian can own a fully automatic rifle. It just has to meet the specifications and you have to pay an extra tax on it, among other things.
Edit 2: Did a little research, the fully automatic thing depends on state. For example, in New York you cannot own them, but in Nebraska or Washington you can.
And I see what your saying about him feeling bad about carrying a pistol without a ccp, but honestly I think he would only feel bad about not telling the cops. He would still carry it unless it was taken from him, as other people have pointed out he is fanatic more about being like a cop than following the law.
Edit: Also, any civilian can own a fully automatic rifle. It just has to meet the specifications and you have to pay an extra tax on it, among other things.
Edit 2: Did a little research, the fully automatic thing depends on state. For example, in New York you cannot own them, but in Nebraska or Washington you can.
Please keep this discussion to the Zimmerman incident. If you want to discuss laws concerning guns, head to the old gun control thread or make a new one.
We were discussing gun laws in regards to the article for the most part, besides the automatic thing in regards to my father's ownership of one. This is quite on topic.
To keep this post on topic, I want to point out Red Rain that by your logic on the ccp thing making him feel bad, all illegal things would make him feel bad. And obviously he has no qualms about doing illegal things (pointed a gun at his girlfriend, allegedly), it's just that he wants to be more like a cop, so I'm sure he would carry a handgun regardless. Unless that is not what you meant (I'm pretty sure it isn't).
To keep this post on topic, I want to point out Red Rain that by your logic on the ccp thing making him feel bad, all illegal things would make him feel bad. And obviously he has no qualms about doing illegal things (pointed a gun at his girlfriend, allegedly), it's just that he wants to be more like a cop, so I'm sure he would carry a handgun regardless. Unless that is not what you meant (I'm pretty sure it isn't).
MtheW said:
At the level of what zimmerman would think, illegality is not what should be observed, but morality.
He pointed a shotgun at his girlfriend, did he not know it is illegal? or did he think he was justified?
He got arrested for speeding (and he happened to have a gun with him because you can't catch this guy unarmed even in the damn toilet, apparently), did he not know it is illegal? or did he think he was justified?
He killed this martin kid in broad daylight, did he not know it is illegal? or did he think he was justified?
As I said, he appears to look up to the police, but what exactly does the concept of police mean to him? for you and me, police might mean "defenders of the law", "allowed to use guns", "allowed to stop the bad guys", all things that, after some twisting, can be applied to zimmerman as is; but for him, it might mean something more, something that meshes with his actions.
Is this guy just an overzealous fanboy? a perilous psychopath? a racist killer? a regular gun enthusiast with bad luck? who can tell?
Okay, please keep to saying things that have been proven. He was acquitted of the "crime" of shooting Trayvon. It wasn't illegal, he was standing his ground as far as the jury was concerned. He was justified. It does look like he might have done it for other reasons now, but as far as we know it was self defense.
Other than that, I really agree with what you are saying, in that he follows a moral code, not the law. Although I was more replying to Red Rain there. This would explain a lot of his actions, especially if he thought he was justified in everything he did.
Edit: Also, I really appreciate the use of enthusiast here, I see the word fanatic used altogether too often in regards to people who own guns.
Other than that, I really agree with what you are saying, in that he follows a moral code, not the law. Although I was more replying to Red Rain there. This would explain a lot of his actions, especially if he thought he was justified in everything he did.
Edit: Also, I really appreciate the use of enthusiast here, I see the word fanatic used altogether too often in regards to people who own guns.
MtheW said:
He was acquitted.
true.
it wasn't illegal.
it wasn't condemmned. if it weren't illegal, no trial would have been held. in this case, there was reasonable doubt until the end of the trial.
He was standing his ground as far as the jury was concerned
According to the veredict, yes, but several juries expressed that they acted strictly by the law, not by what they thought was correct.
He was justified.
According to the law, yes, he was.
I never said anything that wasn't proven, I said:
"He killed this martin kid in broad daylight, did he not know it is illegal? or did he think he was justified?"
Martin is dead, right?
Zimmerman killed him, right? as justified as he was proven to be, that's fact, and, as such, proven.
Is killing a person illegal? yes.
Is killing a person in self defense illegal? no, as long as it's absolutely certain that the other person posed a threat and no one suspects foul play on your part, which was the case up until the end of the trial.
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No problem, I don't usually use "fanatic" for anything anyway.
And to clear a bit the thing on the guns: I understand you like guns, your father and grandfather have a plausible reason to own guns, and they like them; my dad does too, and that's okay, but take into account that a gun, any gun, gives you the power to take lives with incredible precision and efficiency. I honestly find baffling someone being able to have so many weapons without being military, police, or anything, not to mention dangerous, but the most dangerous thing is being able to carry one concealed. because element of surprise + gun = death efficiency x2. If I (and you, I pressume) saw some guy walking up to me with a bigass shotgun, I'll get the hell away. but if a guy 2 meters from me pulls a pistol and starts shooting, it would be much harder to get away from.
Let me put it this way. I have a compound bow. I love my bow, it was my dad's, I have it adjusted so even someone as weak as me can pull it easily and do some cool lara croft shit. if I were to grab my bow and my arrows and get on the street with them. how long would I last without attracting the attention of the police? say I shoot. how many people could I possibly kill before my targets get away? not many, probably not even one, even in a closed space.
Now say I have a loaded semiautomatic concealed in my jacket. same questions. would police stop me? how many dead? at least 6, possibly more.
There, let's end this tangent now.
Sorry, one last thing. You insinuated that him shooting Trayvon was illegal, and it was decided that it wasn't. That was all I was saying. Honestly, I don't think that there is really reason to have this thread open anymore if there haven't been any new developments since he was pulled over and or since he pointed the shotgun at his girlfriend, because this conversation is going in circles.
He seems crazy and has a potential to be homicidal. Does that sum up everyone's opinions okay?
Edit: Didn't really mean this thread should be closed, just that this conversation is dead, and we shouldn't continue it without new information.
He seems crazy and has a potential to be homicidal. Does that sum up everyone's opinions okay?
Edit: Didn't really mean this thread should be closed, just that this conversation is dead, and we shouldn't continue it without new information.
George Zimmerman's girlfriend recants allegations he threatened her with gun
The woman who told Florida authorities in November that George Zimmerman threatened her with a gun during a heated argument recanted the allegations in documents released Monday — saying that she does not want him charged, according to a signed affidavit.
Samantha Scheibe, who refers to Zimmerman as her "boyfriend," said in a sworn statement obtained by NBC News that she felt intimidated when she was questioned by police about the Nov. 18 incident. The affidavit was attached to a motion by Zimmerman's attorney seeking to modify the conditions of her client's bond in his domestic violence case.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/09/21836926-george-zimmermans-girlfriend-recants-allegations-he-threatened-her-with-gun?lite
The woman who told Florida authorities in November that George Zimmerman threatened her with a gun during a heated argument recanted the allegations in documents released Monday — saying that she does not want him charged, according to a signed affidavit.
Samantha Scheibe, who refers to Zimmerman as her "boyfriend," said in a sworn statement obtained by NBC News that she felt intimidated when she was questioned by police about the Nov. 18 incident. The affidavit was attached to a motion by Zimmerman's attorney seeking to modify the conditions of her client's bond in his domestic violence case.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/12/09/21836926-george-zimmermans-girlfriend-recants-allegations-he-threatened-her-with-gun?lite
Hey new stuff to talk about, kind of. I think that this doesn't really say much though, except that maybe George isn't quite as crazy (still think he's crazy, but maybe not "point a shotgun at my girlfriend" crazy) as we thought he was. This also makes it seem as though there is more going on, why would his girlfriend have ever claimed that he did that? This is weird.
Indeed it is odd, but I guess we can lay that instance to rest, after all, she swore that he never did it. (Not sarcastic)
I guess I should go back on my word about insulting, I guess I was riled up about the whole gun pointing in the face thing. But still, he does seem a bit crazy and over the edge, so I guess we should just watch and wait for anything else he might do that is dangerous and/or crazy.
I guess I should go back on my word about insulting, I guess I was riled up about the whole gun pointing in the face thing. But still, he does seem a bit crazy and over the edge, so I guess we should just watch and wait for anything else he might do that is dangerous and/or crazy.