Good format/ Bad format

who agrees with meon that they should change the format back to what it use to be

  • agree

    Votes: 6 18.2%

  • disagree

    Votes: 27 81.8%
  • Total voters
    33
MetronOob

MetronOob

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Ok this format is starting to annoy me.

I mean for the past few sets Pokemon USA has made the format built more towards noobs so they can get more players, yes I understand that its for there company to expand more I understand, but they don’t realize that when they do that the more experienced players are quitting because its not taking any more skill to play its just " Hey I can read I win YAY!" when they should make it more like it use to when you had to learn how to play a deck and play against everyone and learn actually how to play the game with skill not the ability to read

So I’m wounding who agrees with me and think that Pokemon USA should start releasing set that’s geared more towards the experienced players?
 
I see your point but you still need a considerable amount of skill to win, I mean let's say both the n00b and experienced are playing LuxApe. Okay the decklists are close but the experienced will almost always have a better list and obviously more skill, therefore the experienced player wins. It's as simple as that, that's the hidden skill but nowadays n00bs have better chances of winning due to simpler cards and the fact that people are posting good decklists.
 
ya except the problem is that the noobs arnt playing luxape there playing the "easy" decks to play (machamp, ganger, beedrill{noob decks}) and thats how they are winning thats what i am talking about
 
"Easy" decks have been around since the beginning of the game. Personally I find that Haymaker is a million times easier to use than Machamp, Gengar, or Beedrill.

Besides, you still need still to play the three decks that you mentioned. The ability to read is a really weak argument, seriously. Just because you give a newer player a Machamp deck doesn't mean he's going to do great with it...you're really over exaggerating things. There's just a big difference in decks that focus on consistency and decks that focus on luck/flips. I really don't think that there's a huge difference in skill between either of them, it just focuses more on different styles of play.
 
Buddy buddy buddy...gengar is not a noob deck...I joined this game in january, and I am 100% positive a junior at age of 6 could have beat me. That simple. Just because you can/cant read does not determine your skill level. There are even some juniors who could beat a senior, that simple. Your argument is semi-discriminative, in that your using reading as a level to base skill on. A no. Also, that is kinda a n00b idea yourself, if you are claiming the format is bad due to cards being able to read easier, and interpret easier. A kid can read Gengar, but even tho he understands the words, he may not no how to play it.
 
Gengar and Machamp are extremely easy to play around. Machamp is flippy and Call Energy lets you avoid the donk. And Unown G your goodies and get trainers out of your hand and it's bye-bye Gengar. Beedrill isn't exactly what I'd call an easy deck. You every card you take can change the game; do you need another RR Beedrill or a GE one? I'll admit it's not outrageously hard to play, but that's the only good deck that doesn't take a lot of skill. If you don't like the format, just make an SP deck that beats all the easy decks and you should be happy. I honestly like this format. Playing decks doesn't exactly take as much skill as it could but it's hard to build them and there's so many deck options right now that it's hard just choosing a deck.
 
if the game is so easy for you maybe you should go win all the tournament and collect prizes and stop complaining
 
MetronOob said:
ya except the problem is that the noobs arnt playing luxape there playing the "easy" decks to play (machamp, ganger, beedrill{noob decks}) and thats how they are winning thats what I am talking about
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noob deck wins worlds! lol. If you think Steve's Bees list was a "noob deck" I'd really like to see some of the decks that you come up with. :/ Champ and Gengar can almost solely win on luck alone (donk, fainting spell flips), which is impossible for Beedrill to do.
 
the reasion i say beedrill is a noob deck because its so easy to play just like the machamp and gengar with mechamp u pretty much have to know how to read to win with it and sometimes you dont even need to know how to read

gengar is just "i can flip a coin yay i win"

and beedrill all the cards come to you so just get all 4 beedrills up and do 120 every turn and when they ko one night maintance it back the flutter wings oh look again 120 every turn

so ya these are noob decks because they are some of the easyest decks to play in the format

ande yes a noob deck did win worlds im not proud of it but it did happen
 
Dude, this format takes skill, Beedrill is not a noob deck, the winning one played Luxray GL, a noob sure would put that in.

Gengar is fairly easy to play but it has its tough decisions.

Also, just because someone plays Beedrill, Machamp, or Gengar does not mean their a noob, they were played at Worlds.
 
MetronOob said:
the reasion I say beedrill is a noob deck because its so easy to play just like the machamp and gengar with mechamp u pretty much have to know how to read to win with it and sometimes you don't even need to know how to read

gengar is just "I can flip a coin yay I win"

and beedrill all the cards come to you so just get all 4 beedrills up and do 120 every turn and when they ko one night maintance it back the flutter wings oh look again 120 every turn

so ya these are noob decks because they are some of the easyest decks to play in the format

ande yes a noob deck did win worlds im not proud of it but it did happen
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Speedrill is DEFINATELY NOT a n00b deck. Sure, a n00b might be able to play it once, but being consistant is what is important. Getting four bees might not be extremely difficult, but when one goes down, you NEED it back next turn. N00bs can't pull off that feat.
 
stumpy271 said:
Speedrill is DEFINATELY NOT a n00b deck. Sure, a n00b might be able to play it once, but being consistant is what is important. Getting four bees might not be extremely difficult, but when one goes down, you NEED it back next turn. N00bs can't pull off that feat.
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actually, I disagree with that statement...it really isn't that hard to use a NM, then use Great Ball and/or Flutter Wings (maybe RC if BTS isn't in play) to get the Beedrill back in play next turn...alot of the decks in today's format are fairly simple to run...but while I agree minimally with the OP about the format needing to be changed, I have a completely different reason

my reason for the format needing to be changed is due to the cheapness factor in the format, not the lack of skill...you're always gonna have a lack of skill in a game that has netdecks and net-deckers...and while luck plays a part in any card game (TCG or otherwise), it is skill that will show the difference between two people playing the exact same deck against each other...in a game like pokemon, skill is more shown in the strategy used during games, then it is in deck building...deck building skills do play their part, but with so much net-decking around, that shows there is a big lack of deck building skill amongst alot of players

now, my opinion on Speedrill/Beedrill being a n00b deck...yes, I do agree it is a bit of a n00b deck...very easy to build, very easy to run, doesn't require alot of money cards to make the deck happen...but honestly, I will take that n00b deck any day before taking one of those super-cheap SP decks (I don't do cheap decks) or one of those lucksack decks (Gechamp)...Beedrill is a testament to the format of yesterday...no cheapness factor, just evolutionary beatdown...consistency for Beedrill shouldn't really be that hard to come across, even for a n00b, and the deck build within itself provides consistency...the deck is so simple to run, if a n00b can run it once, they can run it time and time again...anybody that can't run a deck as simple as Speedrill/Beedrill, shouldn't be playing any TCG at all

so what the champ put in Luxray GL...that doesn't mean that his deck is any more better than any other Speedrill/Beedrill deck with a different tech instead of Luxray GL, it's still a Speedrill/Beedrill deck...now his skill in actually playing his Speedrill/Beedrill deck, and executing strategy during the tournament is what lead him to becoming the world champion...that's what's simple
 
So you're saying a Beedrill list running Crobat G, 4 Poketurns, Luxray GL and Chatot would be as easy to play as one using "other techs"? I'll overlook the number of things wrong with that statement and get to my main point...

now his skill in actually playing his Speedrill/Beedrill deck, and executing strategy during the tournament is what lead him to becoming the world champion...that's what's simple
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The part of qnet's post I agree with, which illustrates why the OP is wrong. He won worlds due to PLAYING SKILL. How can you do that with deck which requires only "the ability to read" to use?

also does anyone else see the irony in someone named metronoob complaining about decks being noob
 
Not really one to talk, but I see your point. I can even see it in the decks and formats I played:
1) Nidoqueen d (pretty hard) in a format with LOTS of different decks
2) Infercatty (hardest I think) in a format with only 2 decks (Magmortar, Plox)
3) Banette (easier for its swarm ability) in the same format as 2.
4) Bellossom (basically just Banette on steroids) in a slightly better format than 2.
5) Beedrill (somewhere between Banette and Bellossom, but not that hard) in a pretty rogue format.
6) Legoes (easy to play with, hard to win with) in a format dominated by SP, Machamp and Gengar.

So yeah, it has its ups and downs. I can't really argue that this format is better/worse than the last. I do know that this year's Nationals was more interesting; last year consisted almost entirely of Plox and Magmortar, if I recall correctly.
 
This kind of goes with what most people are saying, but the difference between a noob bedrill deck played by a noob and a champion beddrill deck played by a champion is enormous. I would not, in 1000 years thought to have played Lux GL and bederill together. Normally I would say getting "side tracked" in a beedrill deck is an uber no-no, but this guy obviously knew what he was doing.

A spectacular deck played by a crummy player will have crummy results.

As a side note, I was astounded how many techs the winners seemed to be playing.
 
I agree the players are outstanding players and I have to say congrats to all of them

I wouldn’t have thought to have combined them either the beedrill deck I am talking about is the basic beedrill deck the one most people play the noob version the one he played was not a normal beedrill deck,
and the other decks I am talking about are the ones most people are playing not the ones the well experienced are building (which destroys most other versions almost every time).

But once again I have to say congrats to all three winners you are undoubtedly well experienced and skilled players.
 
gengar the baller said:
Do you honestly think a noob would be able to play something like Gengar or Beedrill if they have never played before.
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do you honestly think they are that difficult to play???

pokemon in general is not a difficult game to play or understand how to play, the combos (more often than not) are fairly easy to recognize and simple to pull off...especially with decks like Beedrill

the game is not nearly as complex to play and pull off combos as it is with other TCG's I've played...and for risk of sounding like the OP with this statement, all you really need to do is be able to read and comprehend the combo you're about to pull off...yes, a complete noob can do that, especially if they get an explanation about the cards in the deck they are about to play

while the game is a simple game, I like pokemon...mainly for it's strategic element during gameplay, which (as I've stated before) is where the skill of the game comes into play
 
Okay so here's one since I'm playing GeChamp because I think it can do well in the next format, I guess I'm a n00b now right?
Okay I see the point that's it's easy to play or whatnot but the game still requires skill and trying to make a deck for the format. Most of my friends/people I know think that GeChamp isn't great now and is dead, I'm just trying to predict the Metagame. Also Beedrill while easy to play I don't think a n00b could build a consistent list, same w/ Gengar. Also I do find it ironic someone called Metrono0b is complaining.
 
qnetykz said:
do you honestly think they are that difficult to play???

pokemon in general is not a difficult game to play or understand how to play, the combos (more often than not) are fairly easy to recognize and simple to pull off...especially with decks like Beedrill

the game is not nearly as complex to play and pull off combos as it is with other TCG's I've played...and for risk of sounding like the OP with this statement, all you really need to do is be able to read and comprehend the combo you're about to pull off...yes, a complete noob can do that, especially if they get an explanation about the cards in the deck they are about to play

while the game is a simple game, I like pokemon...mainly for it's strategic element during gameplay, which (as I've stated before) is where the skill of the game comes into play
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No, I'm not saying their very hard to play, I'm saying do you really believe someone who has never played or just started aka a noob could really understand how to do well and win with a Gengar or Beedrill. They can read the cards but they wouldn't know how to play around certain things. They may not even put Unown G on their Pokemon.
 
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