Gun Control - Your stance, views, and recent developments

[Chariblaze]

They tried this with alcohol and look what happened - they can't contain guns, people will get them one way or another, and we'll only spend more money that we shouldn't be spending on preventing having guns, which many people in America own. And making a law that bans guns is violating the 2nd Amendment, so, yeah.

It can’t violate an Amendment if it is an Amendment.

Do you think that people with the intent to kill other people would go into a building where most individuals carry a gun, or a building with signs posted advertising "Gun Free Zone"?

It depends on the individual. Those who want to inflict mass terror (terrorists) would obviously pick the latter, but those mentally ill couldn’t care less; they have no intent of inflicting terror and have other issues. And then hate crimes (like the Seik temple shooting in Wisconsin) are a totally different thing; they also won’t care if the individuals are armed.

 

[Equinox]

They tried this with alcohol and look what happened - they can't contain guns, people will get them one way or another, and we'll only spend more money that we shouldn't be spending on preventing having guns, which many people in America own. And making a law that bans guns is violating the 2nd Amendment, so, yeah.

It can’t violate an Amendment if it is an Amendment.

Gun control laws, not amendment, laws.

 

[Juliacoolo]

I can confidently say that 90% of my friends in elementary school would have tased me one time or another, given they had the opportunity. Imagine what an enemy kid would do with a gun. lolkidswithguns

 

[Teal]

Only those who need guns should have them (hunters etc.). I don't understand the US & their gun laws. I would not feel safe in such a place. Finland has pretty strict gun control and that's the way it should be everywhere, especially in a "civilized" place like the (whole) USA.
I don't even see any room for debate. That's definitely the way it should be.

 

[r3skyline]

Only those who need guns should have them (hunters etc.). I don't understand the US & their gun laws. I would not feel safe in such a place. Finland has pretty strict gun control and that's the way it should be everywhere, especially in a "civilized" place like the (whole) USA.
I don't even see any room for debate. That's definitely the way it should be.

Lived in the U.S.A for 26 years and have never not felt safe because of guns. Was an army brat, and am now in the army, and ya know what, my wifes feels UNSAFE without a gun. lol

 

[Equinox]

Only those who need guns should have them (hunters etc.). I don't understand the US & their gun laws. I would not feel safe in such a place. Finland has pretty strict gun control and that's the way it should be everywhere, especially in a "civilized" place like the (whole) USA.
I don't even see any room for debate. That's definitely the way it should be.

It's how you grew up, it's perspective.

 

[Teal]

and ya know what, my wifes feels UNSAFE without a gun. lol

I wonder why.

 

[r3skyline]

and ya know what, my wifes feels UNSAFE without a gun. lol

I wonder why.

Because she is from arizona and loves to fire weapons and feels safe and knows how to disassemble, clean and maintain weapons that range from AR15s to Ak47s.

Dont jump to something you know nothing of.

She feels unsafe because she is a woman and knows that men are stronger than her. What faster way to arm yourself than with a gun?

 

[Guts]

Gun control laws, not amendment, laws.

I believe he's referring to an amendment that would limit or contradict the second amendment, similar to the relationship between the 18th and 21st amendment.

 

[Haunted Water]

Second Amendment is part of the Bill of Rights. No amendment or law can violate it; it's set in stone.
This is one of the arguments that is almost moot. No matter what, anti-gun people will never get their way in America. It's not like they can rebel over it; knives don't help out when you're getting picked off from 80 yards out by the very thing you're rebelling against.

Not to mention Feinstien is a hypocritical moron. Note: Assault weapons are not handguns. You don't have good range or stopping power with them.

 

[bacon]

But evidently, if enforcing a law/amendment leads to a higher net death in the population, then it has surely failed as part of a system intended to maintain peace?

Presumably citizens are worried about opening the floodgates and allowing for the potential manipulation of other Amendments which, I gather, function fine the way they are. And I can sympathise with the innate desire to stick with traditionalist values. But the facts are clear, America has a problem with gun homicide and the cause of this is inherently linked to America's bloated weapons supply. Wars have been fought in the name of less deaths. It is grossly iressponsible to not act upon a faulty law just because the law says it can't be changee.

 

[GODZILLA]

There will always be illegal sales of firearms. I am not talking about a black market per say, rather legally registered firearms simply being sold or traded behind closed doors.

There certainly are far too many firearms in the United States.

Firearms unquestionably make it easier for an individual to kill multiple people in a short amount of time.

I believe in the right of individuals to bear arms for self defense (IMO, it is an extension of civil defense), but the fact is that America has a really bad problem with firearms violence that is well beyond the scope of the 2nd Amendment.

There is every reason to believe that there will be more mass shootings as the supply of guns in the country stays the same, or increases.

Perhaps society is what really needs to change, but that requires personal responsibility and not enough people are willing to take responsibility for their actions.

 

[Blui]

I live in Australia and we hardly ever have any gun problems, because we have made it extremely hard to get guns into our country. Out last mass gun shooting was years ago, yet the US have had plenty over the past year. And there are hundreds of thousands of deaths in the US just because of gun violence, not including other weapons. It's the same in other countries that have strict gun control laws. America needs to do what's right for its people, not for whatever is stopping proper gun control.

 

[Haunted Water]

We cannot get rid of guns. I don't know how foreigners seem to not get this. I know it may work for you, but gun ownership was made a public right not out of love for guns or need for personal self defense, but rather for self defense from the government. The founding fathers didn't ever want the nation to fall under a tyranny, so they said that because they didn't want civilians to be pushed around by a bad government.
If America takes my gun, I'll take theirs.

 

[Pokequaza]

We cannot get rid of guns. I don't know how foreigners seem to not get this. I know it may work for you, but gun ownership was made a public right not out of love for guns or need for personal self defense, but rather for self defense from the government. The founding fathers didn't ever want the nation to fall under a tyranny, so they said that because they didn't want civilians to be pushed around by a bad government.
If America takes my gun, I'll take theirs.

How do you know? Nobody has ever tried to bring the number of guns substantially down in the US. How much of a reason it was back in the nineteenth century, it is not anymore today. No matter what will happen to the government, people will not start roaming the streets with guns to start murder politicians (at least, I do not hope so).

 

[Haunted Water]

We cannot get rid of guns. I don't know how foreigners seem to not get this. I know it may work for you, but gun ownership was made a public right not out of love for guns or need for personal self defense, but rather for self defense from the government. The founding fathers didn't ever want the nation to fall under a tyranny, so they said that because they didn't want civilians to be pushed around by a bad government.
If America takes my gun, I'll take theirs.

How do you know? Nobody has ever tried to bring the number of guns substantially down in the US. How much of a reason it was back in the nineteenth century, it is not anymore today. No matter what will happen to the government, people will not start roaming the streets with guns to start murder politicians (at least, I do not hope so).

Because I'm an American who knows what is right and wrong. To say te government will never do that isn't right. You don't live in the United States, and I don't exactly know what country you live in, so neither of us will have extensive knowledge about the other's gun laws.
The only ban is they can do is ban cosmetic changes. Would I go out and start shooting up anyone who is corrupt? No, because here in SE Michigan, I'd need an army, or a lot of ammunition. America isn't exactly the great nation it used to be. It's not piss-poor, but it's going down the drain. Half the states want to secede from the nation, so that goes to show, the people are pissed. It's a way of giving power to the ones who give power to the government. If the government doesn't want to hear us, we can make our voice heard.
I know my rights as an American citizen.
And the founding fathers just fought a war against a tyrannical rule from their mother country of Britain. I think they wouldn't be ashamed if American citizens did what they did, as long as it is with just reason.

 

[Equinox]

We cannot get rid of guns. I don't know how foreigners seem to not get this. I know it may work for you, but gun ownership was made a public right not out of love for guns or need for personal self defense, but rather for self defense from the government. The founding fathers didn't ever want the nation to fall under a tyranny, so they said that because they didn't want civilians to be pushed around by a bad government.
If America takes my gun, I'll take theirs.

How do you know? Nobody has ever tried to bring the number of guns substantially down in the US. How much of a reason it was back in the nineteenth century, it is not anymore today. No matter what will happen to the government, people will not start roaming the streets with guns to start murder politicians (at least, I do not hope so).

...Have you heard about Syria? The only reason they can fight back is because of illegally obtained or guns they made themselves. Anyways, the only things we have been doing is speculating, while all this and such can work on paper, we will never know unless we try it.

 

[Cinesra]

We cannot get rid of guns. I don't know how foreigners seem to not get this. I know it may work for you, but gun ownership was made a public right not out of love for guns or need for personal self defense, but rather for self defense from the government. The founding fathers didn't ever want the nation to fall under a tyranny, so they said that because they didn't want civilians to be pushed around by a bad government.
If America takes my gun, I'll take theirs.

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/422999/january-17-2013/the-word---united-we-standoff

America isn't exactly the great nation it used to be.

I sure miss how great we were when blacks and women couldn't vote. Those were the days. The Gilded Age was good too, what with massive corruption and terrible working conditions and all.

 

[Haunted Water]

Because I love when people take shit I say totally out of context.
I didn't mean it that way, I meant how we were during the Cold War, as an a Global Superpower.
And you honestly think the UN will turn a blind eye if the government condones the use of aircraft on their own people? Much less do you honestly think most commanding officers will give the go ahead on killing fellow countrymen?
There is an element of politics in it. Options in case of a rebellion:
-Fight it on even terms
-Give in
-Total War, self-destructing the country.
The former two would be most acceptable to the global community compared to the third option.
And if a majority of the global community condemns an action, do you think they'd keep their mouths shut about it? No, probably not.

 

[Guts]

I didn't mean it that way, I meant how we were during the Cold War, as an a Global Superpower.

Oh, you mean a country of paranoid, commie-hating citizens with a government that had a twitchy finger on the trigger of a weapon that could start a war that would probably annihilate the entire planet? Yeah, those were the times.