Gunman, and six others killed at Sikh temple in Wisconsin

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http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/05/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

This is scary as all hell. The place where it happened is only two hours away from where I live. The article doesn't say whether or not this was a hate crime, but there are some strong hints supporting this.

I don't care who you are, if you're a racist or ultra-nationalist, I have no respect for you. My heart goes out to all of those affected by the attack.
 
Oh, that's never good. What's with all the murders out there?

I'm worried about my cousin who lives in that state. :(
 
I'm a Sikh and I was deeply distraught by this news. Too many attacks lately, some people are just sick.
 
This is in the same town where my dad works. Very disturbing news when i saw this. Prayers are out to all families and people involved.
 
I feel so sorry for the people attacked. Again, prayers out to them and their families.
 
BUT GUYS IT'S NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL

guys that's really not the issue

mass shootings are really not the result of a lack of gun control

really
 
mass shootings can be done with a pistol, it's just people like shotguns better, or assault rifles

anyway this is really a pretty big tragedy, not sure what to think because this is just the second one that occurred in such a short time, my heart goes out to those families whose relatives were hurt.
 
6-Dimension said:
BUT GUYS IT'S NOT ABOUT GUN CONTROL

guys that's really not the issue

mass shootings are really not the result of a lack of gun control

really
thiiiiiiis

apparently the FBI is treating this as a terrorist attack, which is both good and bad
 
How sad. The mass killings are becoming more numerous, my thoughts and prayers go out to those affected.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/06/us/wisconsin-temple-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

This article gives a bit more information. If you don't feel like reading it, here's a short synopsis.

The gunman's name was Wade Michael Page. He's a 40 year-old Army vet, who may or may not be a white supremacist. The people in the temple were getting ready for the Sunday service when the shooting happened. Page was described with having a 9/11 tattoo, which honestly just screams hate crime, but I know it's too soon to start throwing around accusations.
 
Yeah, this is terrorism. How cowardly do you have to be to storm a place where people are worshipping, really? This is so sad, and my prayers go out to all of those affected.
 
I know this isn't about gun control, but I just want to say: even if we banned guns, criminals would still get them, and by golly, I'd rather myself and other trustworthy people have guns along with the criminals than exclusively the criminals.
 
If he and the other guy a little while ago were both in some sort of evil mass murdering crime syndication together, i'm scared.

This is really sad, and the gunman was dead as well, so he got what could have gone for him.
 
I do believe the shooting was a religious hate crime, but the shooter must have mistaken the Sikh for the nearly identical Muslim. They look very similar, but by no means are the same. Besides that, just because you're Muslim doesn't make you a terrorist, as MANY people think. Back to the point, this shooting is nothing more than a hate crime. Innocent people died because that man more than likely thought they were Muslin.
 
"people will still use weapons" and "people will still get illegal guns" are terrible arguments because they can be applied to almost anything (illicit drugs, for example)

but what do i know
 
here's a post i made on another forum:

guns are not used for protection - a bulletproof vest is used for protection. if someone pulls a gun on you and you pull a gun on them, someone's more than likely going to get shot. a gun is always offensive - it has only one purpose, and that's to kill. if we're concerned about protection, how about making bulletproof vests easier to obtain? it's not like having a gun is magic "don't shoot me" object. if a person's going to shoot up a temple or a theater and you pull out a gun, they're not going to give a shit.

the hunting argument works for non-automatic rifles. it doesn't work for semi-automatic weapons or handguns, both of which can be obtained legally in the us and have little advantage while hunting.

the collecting argument is not really much of an argument. i don't see an issue with collecting older, barely usable guns; collecting modern guns that can be used in a crime of passion would kind of be like letting people collect biochemical weapons - you are collecting on object that's only purpose is to kill or seriously injure someone or something else.

now, i mentioned crimes of passion in the previous paragraph. most murders are crimes of passion. do you think that a person is going to be as likely to try to shoot somebody if it will be expensive and difficult to obtain a gun? if they already have a gun or guns are easier to obtain, then they'd probably go for it.

now, you could take this argument to a logical (but stupid) extreme, like "matches kill people too!" but matches are also used for cooking. i just used some matches for cooking the other day. what about knives? nope, also used for cooking. chainsaws? cutting down trees, cutting wood. guns? well, you could say "hunting", but that's still killing something. guns have zero non-violent uses. none.

also, i'm going to put this out here: most people don't want guns. if guns were illegal, i doubt most people would make an attempt to get any, in a similar way to drugs.
 
That's just sad, if racism is involved...that's even worse, like really? I mean there are opinions, but opinions like those you're better off keeping to yourself.
 
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