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Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong)

Colddy

Colddy

Aspiring Trainer
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Pokemon: 18

  • 3-2-3 Haxorus
    3-3 Bronzong
    2 Aegislash-EX
    1 Keldeo-EX
    1 Cobalion [LTR]
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums: 32

  • 3 Professor Sycamore
    3 Shauna
    2 Skyla
    1 Lysandre's Trump Card
    2 Xerosoic
    2 Pokemon Fan Club

    3 Evosoda
    4 VS Seeker
    2 Ultra Ball
    1 Rare Candy
    3 Muscle Band
    1 Scramble Switch
    1 Startling Megaphone
    2 Floating Stone
    2 Battle Compressor
Energy: 10

  • 7 Metal Energy
    3 Rainbow Energy

Update:

  • -2 Dialga-EX
    +1 Fraxure
    +1 Keldeo-EX
    +1 Cobalion [LTR]

    -2 Lysandre
    -1 Lysandre's Trump Card

    +1 VS Seeker
    +1 Ultra Ball
    -1 Rare Candy (not sure about this)
    -1 Professor's Letter
    -1 Switch
    -1 Escape Rope
    +2 Floating Stone
    +2 Battle Compressor

    -3 Steel Shelter

    +3 Rainbow Energy

Old Version (I'll keep here for control)
Pokemon: 17

  • 3-1-3 Haxorus
    3-3 Bronzong
    2 Aegislash-EX
    2 Dialga-EX
Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums 36:

  • 3 Professor Sycamore
    3 Shauna
    2 Skyla
    2 Lysandre
    2 Lysandre's Trump Card
    2 Xerosoic
    2 Pokemon Fan Club

    3 Evosoda
    3 VS Seeker
    1 Ultra Ball
    1 Professor's Letter
    2 Rare Candy
    3 Muscle Band
    1 Scramble Switch
    1 Escape Rope
    1 Switch
    1 Startling Megaphone

    3 Steel Shelter
Energy: 7

  • 7 Metal Energy

Strategy:

Have seen a lot of variations for this Deck, I want to improve mine. The main attacker is Haxorus, 40x for each Metal Energy on it, so 4x40 = 160 + 20 from Muscle Band = the Magic Number 180!

Bronzong will speed Haxorus, Aegislash-EX is for hold against any Pokemon with Special Energy (pretty common at time) and Dialga-Ex will be a second line of attack.

I use Scramble Switch to switch energies from Aegislash-Ex or Dialga-Ex to Haxorus and vice-versa when need.

I also think to run some Rainbow Energies to use Haxorus's second attack in case of facing Plasmas, since I can KO with 2 energies.

What your thoughts about this deck idea? Any suggestion?
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

You already have Haxorus as a main Attacker and Aegislash for Defending, so Dialga is pretty pointless. a good option might be either Yanmega Phantom Forces or Leafeon Plasma Freeze. Both of them counter Seismitoad-EX pretty well, which would otherwise stall this deck a lot, since you couldn't play Rare Candy. Speaking of which, I think it would be a bit better to run a 3-2-3 Haxorus line with 1 or 2 Rare Candy. It is a bit slower, but much more consistent.
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

I put Dialga-Ex mainly for Chrono Wind, maybe Cobalion LTR would be a better option? And if I change Dialga-EX for Yanmega or Leafeon, I'll have more pokemon and I need to remove some Trainers.
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

Colddy said:
I put Dialga-Ex mainly for Chrono Wind, maybe Cobalion LTR would be a better option?
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Yes, Cobalion LTR is a MUCH better option. Does more damage, isn't an EX, and the effect applies to all Pokemon, not just EX's.

As for Trainer cards, let's see. I wouldn't recommend more than 2 VS Seeker. Dump the Evosodas, and put in 2 more Ultra Ball's.
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

If ur worried about seismitoad. I found the best option to be Cobalion Ex. It discards the DCE and does 30 damage, all for 1 energy. It can also deal with sigilyph and pyroar on its own using a muscle band and 3 energy. Add 1-0-1 line of haxorus to make it 4-1-4 with 4 rare candy. Stalling wont help if you cant get the right cards.

You also probably also drop everything that isn't meant to help get haxorus out. It seems to be the most difficult thing to do is to get the haxorus into play. So max out everything used to get it out. Sorry its a little jumbled, but its just what came to mind and in that order.

4-1-4 Haxorus
4 rare candy
3/4 ultra ball
3/4 skyla or 3/4 pokemon fan club
3-3 Bronzong
3 Cobalion Ex
4 Juniper
2/3 N
1/2 Colress
2 VS seeker
1 Battle Compressor
10 Metal Energy

Lysandre's Trump Card is counter intuitive to this deck. if you want to recover some things use dowsing machine and sacred ash. The decks idea is to get the energy into the discard not shuffle them back in.

Xerosic is a bad supporter for this deck. Cobalion can get rid of the DCE for seismitoad and startling megaphone gets rid of Garbo's tool.

Steel shelter is a waste of space since your main attacker is a dragon type.

Dialga and aegislash dont help this deck much, and give up 2 prizes.

Evosoda only help bronzong get out. Rare candy help your main attacker and Ultraball grabs all of your pokemon. So drop all evosoda. Though i guess you could keep 1.

Idk, thats my 2 cents. I've tested this deck a bit online, and had some pretty decent success with it.
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

I'm considering the hints you guys are giving to me, however, I'd like to defend my point of view and why I chose some cards.

First, I thinking to have 3-2-3 or even 4-2-4 Haxorus and 4 Evosodas in place of Ultra Ball. Why? Well, With 2 evosodas I my hand I can have Haxorus in 1 turn, unless I'm totally wrong about Evosoda's use.

I do need cards (items) to discard Metal Energy to get benefits from Bronzong ability, Battle Compressor would be a choose, as I won't using Sycamore all the time.
Although there will be situations where Metal Energy will be more helpfull in my hand than in discard pile, so discarding all of them is not a option.

Aegislash-EX is the best defense I have to this deck and I also thinking to have 4 of them.

I will explain:

Bronzong's ability only attach energy to benched pokemon, so it's not a good deal to start with Axew/Haxorus as the active pokemon nor is with Bronzong, with the terrible 90 HP it can be KO with tickles.

Aegislash-EX can stall anyone with special energy, it's a pretty good ability nowadays and has 170 HP, pretty descente as I know anyone who can OHKO Aegis will have special energy attached to, so I'm aiming in always start with Aegis while I set Haxorus up on bench.

Talking about Seismitoad, I'm not totally afraid because:

1- It can hit a max of 80 in the scenario where 30 Damage + 20 Muscle Band + 30 Laserbank

2- If it has DCE, Aegislash-EX will stop it. Although Aegis won't stop the effect of item lock, it will delay opponent.

3- If Steel Shelter is in play will stop Laserbank combo as well.

4- Dialga-EX or Cobalion can deal with Seismi, as long I have 3 energies their attacks will force opponent to switch Seismitoad or lose a turn without attacking, so I have a chance to use Rare Candy or Evsoda in the way I stated in the begin.

5- Even if my opponent has a second Seismi in bench, supposing it has DCE, and predicting my opponent will switch first Seismitoad for a second one, I could use Xerosoic on the benched.

Now, about Garbotoxin, if I'm facing a not too often combo of Garbodor + Seismitoad-EX, Xerosoic will be the only option to get rid of this, right?

And for last stand, Lysandre's Trump Card is there to back to deck any card I don't like to have in discard, like Evosoda, Fraxure to use with Evosoda, Rare Candy, etc. I'm aware to only use Trump Card after Bronzong's duties are no more needed or in the middle to late game.

What I don't know is what kind of deck can counter this one, maybe Yveltal-EX, however I do know Seismitoad-EX is not.

And guys, if I killed grammar anywhere, excuse me, I'm not english speaker xD
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

Reason why evosoda does not compare to ultra ball. Yeah evosoda grabs an evolution for free. But heres the thing, You dont have an axew or bronzor in play. Well now you have 4 dead cards in your deck that will get you nothing. Those cards are Evosoda. However, with ultra ball you can get what ever pokemon you want. Not only that, it also allows you to discard metal energy from your hand so you can use Metal Links.

Im not saying dont use evosoda at all. But not 4 of. 1-2 is perfectly understandable. However if you put in evosoda instead of ultraball. You are looking at tons of matches where you just cant get your basics out. Every deck in the meta needs at least 3 ultra ball (Excluding fighting since Korrina does that and more). You need to be able to get
those pokemon on to your bench or you are just going to bench out.

You can say, "I will just draw into them." Maybe you will. But not consistently and not always what you need.

Also Bronzong's duties are never done. You always need to be attaching energy, especially when your pokemon take 4-5 energy to OHKO the big EXs each turn that can and will OHKO your Haxorus.

As for metal energy in your hand or discard. Metal energy is great to always have in the discard. If you want it to sit in your hand. Why even bother playing a deck with Bronzong? The whole point of it is to be able to pull it from your deck or drop it from your hand into the discard. That way it can be accelerated out. From your hand you can attach 1 energy. From your discard you can attach 3.
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

Well, about having Evosoda in hand and no basics in bench, I think Pokemon Fan Club can have the job done.

If I have 3 Bronzongs in bench, all energies in discard and a Garbodor/Wobbuffet in the other side, would be a dead end.
And is more likely I won't have energies in hand to discard with Ultra Ball than Axew or Bronzor in bench to use Evosoda.

I don't say I'll be droping all Ultra Balls, better to have more search/draw power, but I'm trying to defend Evsoda usage in this deck xD

As you stated, my Haxorus will be OHKO, the energies go to discard, I can attached 3 back with Bronzongs in bench, I can attach 1 from hand per turn, main attacker needs at least 4 to OHKO something, you see?

Look I'm just pointing some situations I always face, this is the very first "kind of meta" deck I try, I'm not too experienced in meta game.
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

Ivy_Profen's reasoning is solid; you should definitely consider swapping your Ultra Ball and Evosoda counts. Ultra Ball is just way more versatile than Evosoda. It's easily the single greatest Pokemon search card we have in format right now. That's why it's a staple in almost every deck. And discarding Metal Energy with Ultra Ball is a really easy decision to make. If you don't have Metal Energy, then that's not really an issue. You don't have to pay the discard with Energy. It certainly helps, but it's not the end of the world.

Also it's important to note that you cannot go from Axew to Haxorus in one turn. Evosoda doesn't let you "double evolve". It's only a search card for Evolutions basically.
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

prior to Phantom Forces release, I ran a Steel deck with Coby EX and KlingKlang.
some items to consider (and from my experience playing in Regionals).

Fire Pokemon. Reshiram and Victini/Victory Piece. that x2 damage takes its toll.
it was the fire types that I mainly lost against.
I usually don't overly focus on Seis since I can work around Item Lock (and damage is minimal).
x3 Steel Shelter might be a bit heavy... not everyone runs a Laser/Virb deck.
Work in a N. maybe a Colress.
your energy count seems awfully light... how does it playtest?

be careful about building your deck to what is theoretically possible. you won't always have x3 Bronzong up.
don't forget that some "important" cards might wind up in your prizes (ie x2 Bronzong).
its great that you have all the cards in the deck. the tricky part is getting them when you need them.

I like Coby EX because Right Edge can dump a Sp Energy. and Steel Bullet can go thru Sig, Suicune, Pyroar.
so against decks running Sp. Energy. I am dumping their energy just as fast.... sometimes I use Right Edge instead of Steel Bullet just to dump the energy... but I'm playing for the long game. (all my matches in Regionals went 50 minutes).

Bronzong reminds me of RayEels. it works, but it gets tricky since the opponent targets them (Bronzong).

I like Fan Club since it isn't affected by Trainer lock.
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

I've done a similar, if different Haxorus/Bronzong deck that I've been having great luck with online. I'll post it below with the ideas and reasons for my choices. It isn't the easiest deck to pilot, but after making many mistakes learning the deck, I've been able to take out all the popular decks plus some odd others I've encountered online. (barring the occasional junk draw).

Pokemon (18)
4-4 Bronzong
3-3-3 Haxorus
1 Aegislash-Ex
notes on pokemon: I run heavy on the Bronzongs as I want them out and running ASAP. I originally ran a 3-1-3 Haxorus line with rare candies instead of evo sodas, and am still testing the real difference. Fraxure's paralyze occasionally does wonders for buying the necessary build up turns. I have been wanting to add a second Aegislash or a cobalion to the deck... however the deck is real tight as is at 18 pokemon cards. Dialga is not needed with Haxorus. Haxorus's attack math is much better than Dialga's (hitting 180 with 4 energy and a band, and even pumpable without) and the discards are not needed so less bench switching needed. Not to mention it gives up one less prize card, and doesn't have a fire weakness.

Energy (10)
9 Metal Energy
1 Fighting Energy
notes on energy: This is fairly straight forward. Includes nothing an enhanced hammer will hit, making that card dead in other decks as well as countering any opposing Aegislash. The single fighting is included just for the rare occasion I might run into a use for Haxorus's second ability or a rare chance with it's lower evolutions (hasn't happened so far). Feel free to change it out to a metal, I might end up not running it anyhow as the correct amount of metal one hits any pokemon regardless (I've taken out 220hp mega's for lol's with him in one sweeep).

Trainers (31) (this is where I'll probably get the most flack for running :p )

Supporters (11)
4 Professor Sycamore
2 N
1 Fanclub
1 Colress
1 Lysandre
1 Lysandre Trump Card
1 Skyla
notes on supporters: I know this looks scary with a lot of one of's and only 2 N's. I'll explain in the items how this works.

Items (20)
4 Battle Compressor
4 Vs Seekers
1 Dowsing Machine
1 Startling Megaphone
3 Muscle Band
2 Float Stone
4 Evo Soda
2 Steel Shelter (or 1 Steel Shelter / 1 Training Stadium: this is still in testing)
notes on supporters: I know what your going to say... too many battle compressors too many vs seekers... well all I gotta say is it works wonders. All my early Battle compressors (usually the 1st two) I use to put 2 metal energies and whatever supporter I need at the time (or lysandre if I don't need another one immediately), making every vs seeker whatever supporter I need... repeatedly. With Battle Compressor I'm also thinning out cards in my deck... fast... so I get the cards I want, when I want them. Also with early battle compressor action, I get to see my deck, and determine what has been prized and adjust my strategy for it. I usually more than go through my deck in a game. Lysandre's Trump Card makes this possible. if I get near the end of the deck.. as long as I have Lysandre's Trump Card or a Vs seeker out of my discard... I'll never run through it. With vs seekers this can go on indefinately, ruining any mill dialga strategy. The Evo Soda (Haxorus 3-3-3) vs Rare Candy (Haxorus 3-1-3) debate is still being tested. So far I like the Evo Soda... with Bronzong and Haxorus both benefiting from them it makes it more versatile, and it prevents the common rare candy as a dead card. It is slower to build, but it doesn't waste any cards, and having one card to have in hand, is much easier to have than two (the necessity of having rare candy and haxorus in the same hand). Many times I've had just one piece of that combo, and not the other... now it's not as problematic.

Overall I really enjoy this deck. If you have any comments or questions on it feel free to ask. If you'd like to help me test it online, PM me for my username online.

Pokemon Native,
RunsWithScizors
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong and Friends)

RunsWithScizors said:
I've done a similar, if different Haxorus/Bronzong deck that I've been having great luck with online. I'll post it below with the ideas and reasons for my choices. It isn't the easiest deck to pilot, but after making many mistakes learning the deck, I've been able to take out all the popular decks plus some odd others I've encountered online. (barring the occasional junk draw).

Pokemon (18)
4-4 Bronzong
3-3-3 Haxorus
1 Aegislash-Ex
notes on pokemon: I run heavy on the Bronzongs as I want them out and running ASAP. I originally ran a 3-1-3 Haxorus line with rare candies instead of evo sodas, and am still testing the real difference. Fraxure's paralyze occasionally does wonders for buying the necessary build up turns. I have been wanting to add a second Aegislash or a cobalion to the deck... however the deck is real tight as is at 18 pokemon cards. Dialga is not needed with Haxorus. Haxorus's attack math is much better than Dialga's (hitting 180 with 4 energy and a band, and even pumpable without) and the discards are not needed so less bench switching needed. Not to mention it gives up one less prize card, and doesn't have a fire weakness.

Energy (10)
9 Metal Energy
1 Fighting Energy
notes on energy: This is fairly straight forward. Includes nothing an enhanced hammer will hit, making that card dead in other decks as well as countering any opposing Aegislash. The single fighting is included just for the rare occasion I might run into a use for Haxorus's second ability or a rare chance with it's lower evolutions (hasn't happened so far). Feel free to change it out to a metal, I might end up not running it anyhow as the correct amount of metal one hits any pokemon regardless (I've taken out 220hp mega's for lol's with him in one sweeep).

Trainers (31) (this is where I'll probably get the most flack for running :p )

Supporters (11)
4 Professor Sycamore
2 N
1 Fanclub
1 Colress
1 Lysandre
1 Lysandre Trump Card
1 Skyla
notes on supporters: I know this looks scary with a lot of one of's and only 2 N's. I'll explain in the items how this works.

Items (20)
4 Battle Compressor
4 Vs Seekers
1 Dowsing Machine
1 Startling Megaphone
3 Muscle Band
2 Float Stone
4 Evo Soda
2 Steel Shelter (or 1 Steel Shelter / 1 Training Stadium: this is still in testing)
notes on supporters: I know what your going to say... too many battle compressors too many vs seekers... well all I gotta say is it works wonders. All my early Battle compressors (usually the 1st two) I use to put 2 metal energies and whatever supporter I need at the time (or lysandre if I don't need another one immediately), making every vs seeker whatever supporter I need... repeatedly. With Battle Compressor I'm also thinning out cards in my deck... fast... so I get the cards I want, when I want them. Also with early battle compressor action, I get to see my deck, and determine what has been prized and adjust my strategy for it. I usually more than go through my deck in a game. Lysandre's Trump Card makes this possible. if I get near the end of the deck.. as long as I have Lysandre's Trump Card or a Vs seeker out of my discard... I'll never run through it. With vs seekers this can go on indefinately, ruining any mill dialga strategy. The Evo Soda (Haxorus 3-3-3) vs Rare Candy (Haxorus 3-1-3) debate is still being tested. So far I like the Evo Soda... with Bronzong and Haxorus both benefiting from them it makes it more versatile, and it prevents the common rare candy as a dead card. It is slower to build, but it doesn't waste any cards, and having one card to have in hand, is much easier to have than two (the necessity of having rare candy and haxorus in the same hand). Many times I've had just one piece of that combo, and not the other... now it's not as problematic.

Overall I really enjoy this deck. If you have any comments or questions on it feel free to ask. If you'd like to help me test it online, PM me for my username online.

Pokemon Native,
RunsWithScizors
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Ow I love this version, I like the Battle Compressor + VS Seeker combo, seems consistent to me. I'll update my deck after yours.

I'm just a bit reluctant to use 4 cards, I came from YGO (max 3 cards per deck), I need to change my mind quickly.
 
RE: Hard Metal Axe (Haxorus / Bronzong / Dialga EX)

Honestly I don't think it is as consistent as the standard metal deck with dialga-ex/cobalion-ex... and is a lot harder to play... but it is fun and a lot cheaper considering the costs of just those cards. I'm still playing Haxorus/Bronzong and when it works its amazing... I'm thinking of tweaking little things with it... will update later with the tweaks.
 
I've updated the card list. I've seen a post in GadgetJax's Haxorus deck thread about the potential of Keldeo-EX, so I will definitely use it. I put Rainbow Energies to benefit both Keldeo-EX and Haxorus's second attack (if facing some Plasma deck).

Now it has 2 Fraxure and dropped 1 Rare Candy for that, but I'm not sure if it is a good idea.

Also I put 1 more Ultra Ball, Hooray! Maybe I change to 3 Ultra Balls and 2 or 1 Evosoda. Maybe I'll hold on like this. Maybe I back to 3 Evosodas and 1 Ultra Ball (even now I have one more pokemon to use it)... I've not yet played with this new deck configuration, let's see how it takes.
 
I think that Haxorus is best run as a support poke to Dialga and Aegislash, as a kind of Pyroar counter as well as a big attacker. Maybe a 2-1-2 line, with 3 Dialga and 2 Aegislash and some Bronzong would work better?
 
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