Foxtrot said:
http://www.pokebeach.com/scans/base-set/100-lightning-energy.jpg
Sorry but besides the bends and such, its exactly the same. You just have a first edition lighting energy...yay.
You gave me THE SAME LINK I put into THE FIRST POST. Really, did you bother to read it? Or are we back to that English problem again? Oh, and there are no bends on the card either. Even if there were, it would be almost impossible to tell at that size. Maybe you're not familiar with the purpose of a protective sleeve (or case), but generally they're used to take the hit instead of the card, thus the scratched appearance. When not in use, they sometimes can fall in between a couch cushion and get a little bunch. You have vision problems...yay.
MetalFire said:
Base set doesn't have set symbol...
base set 2 does have symbol and it looks like number two with pokeball on it,
1st edition is like cards that were printed in early days of the sets.so what you have here is just a Base Set 1, First Edition, Lightning Energy.the only special about it is its first edition which has a higher value than normal base set energy
DawnOfXatu said:
He's right that it isn't from base set, just check the collection number. I'm pretty sure that this card is just an energy from a theme deck. Like back in UF they started to print energy cards without the set symbol. This is probably a similar situation.
AnthonyG said:
Yea, most energy that are printed are not printed with energy symbols unless they come from the pack itself (such as DP brings energy in thier packs).
You are correct in the fact that it is not form Base Set since Base Set had more cards than I think 102 (which I believe is the # on the bottom of the card).
Also have you checked out any of the Neo Sets? I know Neo. Gen cards came with Energy in them but not entirly sure how many cards were in that set.
Foxtrot said:
Are we all looking at the same link? Because the first one he links us to, the one that he claims is his card, DOES NOT HAVE A SET SYMBOL. Also, it is 100/102, which you expect me to believe is coinsidently the same number as the base lighting energy? Same artist, same copyright numbers (if it was from a later expansion, it would probably have 2000), lack of symbol...it's just a beat up first edition base set lighting energy.
DawnOfXatu said:
He's right, I didn't enlarge the picture when I looked at it, it looked to be out of 163, woops sorry, I guess I need to have my eyes checked. Right now it does look to be Base Set, what is your arguement that it isn't from BS?
AnthonyG said:
Oh lol. I must be blind as well xD
I thought I saw a higher number than 102 but Base Set does have 102 cards in them.
They are a direct match if you see here: http://www.pokebeach.com/tcg/base-set/scans
Its the same exact thing as your picture.
charizard87 said:
I agree it is a base set energy
For all of you who think that this card is from the Base Set, please read below before proceeding. For those of you who took my word that it isn't from the Base Set, thank you, just read the part after the line. I apologize for seeming flustered, but posts like those simply distract from getting to an actual answer, and honestly, I've spent so much time on this already, that I'm not too thrilled about the 30 minutes I'm going to spend typing up an explaination.
All right folks. Well, because nobody can take my word for it (even though I'm sure I know more about the WOTC cards than the rest of you apperantly do combined), allow me to give you a brief history lesson. I mean really, I've handled more than 100,000 of these older cards over the past year (quite literally, I have at least 50,000 in boxes right now), so if you think that I wouldn't have made 100% sure it wasn't from the Base Set before I moved on, you're mistaken.
The Base set was printed four times. They are often times referred to as "1st Issue, 2nd Issue, 3rd Issue, and 4th Issue", but have many other names as well.
Now, each issue has a different set of characteristics that allow you to tell it apart from the others.
1st Issue: The first edition symbol always appeared on every card that was a part of the 1st Issue of all WOTC sets. *ALL* 1st Ed Base Set cards (one exception, keep reading) have a characteristic that only appears on some cards from the Base Set, they are "shadowless". The term is meant literally, the cards were not shaded. Now, other than the Machamp (because of some rediculous promotion effort or something, WOTC decided the Machamps in every Issue would be 1st Edition), EVERY 1st Ed Base Set Card is shadowless. Period. The text on the bottom, which contains the copywrite date, reads "1995, 96, 98, 99 (...) 1999".
2nd Issue: This Issue contains the unlimited (non first edition) shadowless cards. Like the 1st Ed cards, their copywrite date reads, "1995, 96, 98, 99 (...) 1999". Fyi, the best way to tell if your card is shadowless is by reading this text. Non shadowless cards don't have 99 listed in the string of years.
3rd Issue: This issue was the first set in which WOTC decided to start shading the images and cards. It was by far the largest printing of the Base Set cards. If you own any Base Set cards, odds are, they're from this Issue. These cards are all unlimited, and have a copywrite date of, "1995, 96, 98 (...) 1999".
4th Issue: This was argueably the smallest Issue of the Base Set other than the 1st, and was the final printing of it. In it, a few errors were corrected, and it allowed people to pick up a few more Base cards for their decks. These cards are ALL, and let me repeat that, *ALL* unlimited. The copywrite date reads, "1995, 96, 98 (...) 1999-2000".
Now, those of you who refuse to listen claim that the card I scanned is nothing more than a 1st Ed Lightning Energy. First may I direct your attention to the overall appearance of the card, particularly the 1st Ed symbol. The 1st Ed symbol on my card clearly has a shadow (and no cards from the 1st Ed Base Set do). If that wasn't enough, if those of you who were estute to do so zoom in on the set number, please avert your gaze to the left, and read the copywrite date. The one I have reads, "1995, 96, 98 (...) 1999-2000". Oopsie. Now, if you could please drop the notion that it's from the Base Set, it would be much appreciated.
I had also considered the idea that they simply got lazy. However, unlike PUSA or Nintendo or whoever was responsible or UF and D&P and all the newer sets, Wizards of the Coast wasn't in the habit of being lazy (just of making grammatical or translation errors
). Even if that was the case, it still wouldn't explain the set number, 100/102. But nonetheless, the suggestion is appreciated.
My current leading theory is that the cards was printed as part of the 1st Ed Gym Heroes set. As has happened many times with WOTC (they're pretty good about only letting a few get through their fingers though), sometimes the cards aren't reviewed well enough. Take the non holo Jungle Electrode for example. A few 1st Ed copies of it actually have the same image as the Base Set Electrode. Oops.
My thought is that when they went to add energy cards (keep in mind this is the first reappearance of energy cards since Base 2, and since Base 1 for 1st Ed ones) my thought is that they took the old Base 1 card, and stuck the 1st Ed symbol on top. Whether the guy responsible got sick, was an airhead, or something else, I don't know, but obviously, nobody took the time to check out the bottom, which shares the exact same characteristics as... the last printing of Base 1. Ooo. They likely selected the Base 1 copy (the last one printed, of course, as it would be the same as the Base 2 copy except) because they wouldn't have to deal with removing the Base 2 logo from it. Farfetched, maybe. But it's the only thing I can think of to explain it, unless of course, someone has a reason I'm not aware of (or if someone has a card like it, in which case I would be curious to know which type of energy, etc).
Thanks.
