Has the world gone mad?!

I think that the world is crazy people rebelling against everything,killing for fun,And also when will the media just shut their mouths so we can actually try to live a life having to be afraid of someone trying to kill you and stuff man they just don't know when enough evil thoughts and things that they show and give you is enough.WOW!Big run-on sentence!
 
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I do think at times the world has gone mad. Everything is on a downwards spiral.
And 2012 won't be the end, haven't you heard of the people who say that May, 2011 will be the start of the end of the world? XD

On a more serious note, there is a lot of crazy stuff happening in the world, but we hear about so much of it due to worldwide connections. Otherwise, we wouldn't here about any of it.
 
I've overheard about the May 21st, 2011 theory. The Book of Revelation doesn't say it though nor does it say specifically what date it will happen cause nobody knows except for God. I wouldn't worry about it and we will cross that bridge when we come to it, nobody knows for sure what will happen. You can't change the past but you can always change the future more in a positive aspect. Learn from history and improve for a better tomorrow.

About what Franklin Graham said about the Tuscon Memorial, it should've been done better to ask God for guidance and help for the victims of the shooting and I agree with him cause I have a deep respect for Christianity and Catholicism. They can redo the Memorial service to honor God in that sense, in that case I don't see anything wrong with that.

Of course we also have a President who doesn't have a deep faith in Christianity when he should. Every U.S. President has their flaws and Obama has alot of them though I give him credit for doing his best in his presidency with stuff going on in the world, it's not easy that's for sure. Even though I believe Christianity is important I also respect other world religions, realize they have flaws that can be improved on for peaceful methods, and hope for unity in a sense.

There might actually be something going on in terms of extraterresterialism and religion, aliens from outer space being the cause of natural disasters around the world or possibly an act of the divine? Who knows. We're always trying to find answers to questions and alot of times we come up short but that's just the way life is. The Lord and even life itself works in mysterious ways in which sometimes the human mind can't even comprehend.
 
Are you saying that are President isn't Christian enough?
You do realize that there is a separation of church and state in the United States, so this would be a good thing. The way you are talking is that Christianity is the best religion. You think that they have flaws, but Muslims think that we have flaws.
And yes there are prayers made for the Tucson shootings (my church had one), but Obama was upholding a very American ideal, the separation of church and state. If you look at his approval ratings for handling the situation, he got high marks.

This may come off as me being an atheist, but I am a proud Protestant. However, that doesn't mean that I believe that religion should be involved everywhere. Just my 2 sense.
 
Muddy88 said:
This may come off as me being an atheist, but I am a proud Protestant. However, that doesn't mean that I believe that religion should be involved everywhere. Just my 2 sense.
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Hey don't worry about it, no hard feelings. I respect your opinion and your beliefs. As for Graham's criticism's against Obama that is debatable I suppose, I do think Obama is doing his best toward his conversion to Christianity and it showed in a sense at the Tuscon Memorial. He's not perfect but heck nobody is except for possibly the supernatural.
 
And this is exactly the reason why the world has gone mad; religion. You all realize that war, on which you all are complaining, is caused 99% of the time because of religious conflicts? Furthermore it blinds the world with myths and fantasy (and yes this is a proper argument untill somebody's puts up some proper evidence). Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against religious people, you are allowed to think whatever you want, I don't care. But I do care about the fact that some religious people are trying to influence my life (in the sense of trying to get religious concepts in the law for example), so therefore I do not see much benefits from religion (exept from the fact that apparently some people can't behave well without the idea of a fictional person watching him/her) and the fact that religion acts like a vacuum cleaner which sucks all logic and reason out of people. I can only hope that there will be a day that all people can decide for themselves in a rational way what is fiction and what are facts, instead of being crammed with fantasy throughout their youth by their parents. You can have all the faith you want and pray to your god to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways. Think about it.
 
Card Slinger: What do you mean by Obama is doing his best toward his conversion? He is already a Christian and has always been one (the Muslim thing was just there because the Republicans needed something against him). He is a member of UCC, as am I.

Pokequaza: I agree with what you are saying, however, there is nothing that can stop people from believing in something. The majority of religions were created to describe natural events that couldn't be explained, but through time, it has been something that has stuck with us. There are things in the world that make NO sense which is why people will keep believing in god(s). An example of this is the afterlife, mainly concerning things like spirits. Yes, some of the stories seem far-fetched, and yes they cannot be proven, but as long as these stories exist, there will be religion because it explains these happenings. Your second to last sentence I do agree with, but there is something called common sense. In fact, there is a Bible verse that states 'Do not put the power of God to the test.' This is a perfect example of why people don't walk out in front of trucks thinking that they will survive when one hits you. You pray for that feeling of the unknown like asking that your family doesn't get ill, or nothing goes wrong the next day. You simply don't know and you can never know until it happens, but crossing a street, you know what can happen if you aren't careful. Think about that mouthful.
 
Card Slinger: What do you mean by Obama is doing his best toward his conversion? He is already a Christian and has always been one (the Muslim thing was just there because the Republicans needed something against him). He is a member of UCC, as am I.
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So he already converted to Christianity, yeah I got confused earlier. I did hear rumors floating around about Obama forging his U.S. Birth Certificate and people accusing him of not being a natural born citizen of the U.S. to become President. Yeah the "natural born citizenship" rule to become U.S. President I hear is either in the
Bill of Rights or the Constitution.

Every President that has served the United States has been a natural born citizen under the U.S. Constitution to become President with the exception of Obama being an African native and George Washington being a British native. I mean how do you expect the first U.S. Constitutional President to be a natural born citizen when our heritage traces back to the UK over the span of 200 years?

Pokequaza said:
And this is exactly the reason why the world has gone mad; religion. You all realize that war, on which you all are complaining, is caused 99% of the time because of religious conflicts?
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Alot of cases religion is somewhat to blame for it but there's other reasons as well such as resources, land, politics, all play a huge role in it as well too. Religion is one of the reasons why there isn't enough people into the endeavors of science and archaeology, discovering what happened in the past to make sense of how it came to be today.

When it comes to science and technology I do believe there is a limit to how far humans should go toward and If you go too far with it you'd only speed up the demise of mankind. Sooner or later in the future the technology we use to help us in society might turn against us to wipe us out and of course cloning dinosaurs, and building scary life like androids, and robots is a terrible idea.

Furthermore it blinds the world with myths and fantasy (and yes this is a proper argument untill somebody's puts up some proper evidence). Don't get me wrong, I don't have anything against religious people, you are allowed to think whatever you want, I don't care. But I do care about the fact that some religious people are trying to influence my life (in the sense of trying to get religious concepts in the law for example).
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Well what If Christianity is the true one world religion? It could be the case who knows. What If there isn't a true one world religion or rather why can't all religions coexist without having to cause violence and negative conflicts? It's just one of those fundamental flaws in our society that we don't really have any control over If we do have control over it which we might.
 
Muddy68 said:
There are things in the world that make NO sense which is why people will keep believing in god(s).
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Can you give me an example of something that does make no sense? Because all I have encoutered so far has been explainable and logical. Also would something that seems impossible be a good reason to believe in gods? No. Since that doesn't make sense either. I would be a reason to research it, not a reason to sit back and say; 'Oh this must be the work of a unexplainable being', since that would raise the question; 'How can you explain this god?' It creates more questions than it answers.
 
Can you give me an example of something that does make no sense?
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The behaviour of some humans these days. At least that's the immediate thing I can think of.

ANyway I dont agree with muddy. People dont believe in gods because they need an answer to an unexplained mystery. They believe in gods because they need a focal point that serves as a representation of a higher power or authority, something to be revered as a symbol of sacredness.
 
I knew that my reason wasn't correct... Thanks for correcting me though.

Anyways, God cannot be explained because God is outside the realms of science. Science can only explain what it can observe.
 
A few fallacies and flaws in one phrase.

If God cannot be explained how do you know of its existence?

You cannot be 'outside' of the realms of science, science is not an area, science is knowledge gathered in a rational and logic way. If God is 'outside' science, God is 'outside' logic itself and could therefore not be grasped anyone in the first place.

Besides how do you know that science cannot explain a god (assuming it would be possible for one to exist)?

''Science can only explain what it can observe.'' And again, if you can't observe your god, how do you know it exists?
 
Muddy68 said:
Anyways, God cannot be explained because God is outside the realms of science. Science can only explain what it can observe.
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I'm pretty sure nobody here claimed that God can be explained using science in the first place.


Pokequaza said:
if you can't observe your god, how do you know it exists?
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Depends on how you define "observe"

It can be something like "I've never seen Antarctica with my own eyes, but I can find 'info' on the internet, with photos that may or may not be antarctica, etc. and that information tells me there is really such a place called Antarctica so I believe it exists." That's actually how things work in the real world. People believe things based on things they learn. If they are taught in a very convincing manner that something is 'science', they believe so.
 
No, no, you make one big mistake. We have to differentiate between three things; things we know, things that appear plausible and things we believe.

The things we know are that what we can prove to ourselves, and no, there is not much that we know, at least individualy. Example, do I know Australia exists? No, I've never been to Australia. However, the existence of Australia appears plausible, since I've seen photos and footage of Australia, I've seen it on a map, I've spoken to people who went to Australia etc. Even though I still don't know whether it exists or not, I assume it's plausible seen the evidence.

Things we believe, well for some there are things in this category, but for me it's empty. Believing things without any evidence, I don't see how someone even could.

So therefore, it take it plausible that Antartica exists, and until I have been there I won't know for sure.
 
Pokequaza said:
We have to differentiate between three things; things we know, things that appear plausible and things we believe.
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Well yeah you should've said that from the start, and yes you are right, there is a distinction between the 3 things, but ultimately what shapes our beliefs is still the influence around us (we choose our own beliefs based on what we see and hear around us). Furthermore, nobody sees the world from a completely rational standpoint. To do so would be to discard higher-level emotions, ethics, morals, anything that does not comply with hard logic.

It's not surprising to see a person believe in something even without evidence. That is how faith works. That is how higher-level emotions like love and hate work. And that's just how it is. People don't draw a straight line between what they know and what they believe (for instance in a conversation about Australia, do you first say that the conversation concerns a subject whose plausibility is not completely guaranteed and thus, of questionable verifiability? ). Whether or not they should do so, is a matter of personal opinion.

In school a long time ago, I was taught about the objective/subjective distinction in this manner:

Fact: "I'll believe it when I see it"
Faith: "If I believe it, I will see it"

...and that all people lie somewhere in between. To be at either extremes would be absurd, because if you were pure fact, you would question everything that wasn't already explicit/obvious and probably become an annoyance to your teacher in class, and if you were pure faith, your parents will rue the day they told you about the tooth fairy because you still believe in her when you're 20

I need to stop coming back to this thread now. It's past midnight here and there's a 4koma I need to finish.
 
How do you know that nobody can see the world from a complete rational point of view? You cannot be sure until you have met that person, can you? Even though I make my mistakes now and then I do know a person which is able to do so. It's not a way I think the whole day long, but when I need to be 'emotionless', I sure can be.

Emotions are not the same as faith, don't confuse those two with eachother. Especially since most of the emotions can be explained very well in a physical way; hormones, adrenalin etc.

XieRH said:
Fact: "I'll believe it when I see it"
Faith: "If I believe it, I will see it"
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No. If you've seen something with your own eyes then there's no reason to believe it anymore. The evidence is right in front of you, then you know it. You can only believe in that where is no evidence for. In short terms, you can only believe that what is not observed yet, though there is no reason at all to do so. Now the phrase; 'I'll believe it when I see it' is an often used phrase and yes it is not correct litterally, but see it more as a proverb, it can't rain cats and dogs either, can it?

The second one isn't correct either, it should be something along the lines of 'I believe it and I hope I will see it', as 'hope' implies faith, whereas 'will' implies a fact. But then again, you can't be sure about the future either so therefore 'will' isn't litterally correct either. I can explain a lot more, but just make sure you know the basic meanings of the words first.
 
Despite seeing sense with PokeQuaza's statement, I'll take this from that handy old books of quotes called the Bilbe:

"Happy are those who have not seen and yet believe."

This is not a statement saying I am towards either side of te argument. I am completely neutral.
 
Pokequaza brings a good point, most of the worlds conflicts go into religon. Even look at us! I don't care about what' going on in the world as long as I don't get into it.
 
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