Help with Mess of a Machamp Deck (Landorus EX / Machamp / Hawlucha)

[Megatron0]

So I think I will be looking at something like this *EDITED AFTER ADVICE*
Pokemon:

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  2x Hawlucha (Furious fists)
  1x Landorus (Furious fists)
  3x Landorus EX (Boundaries crossed)
  3x Machop (Furious fists)
  1xMachoke
  3x Machamp (Furious fists)
  1x Terrakion (Legendary treasures)
  2x Manectric EX

Trainers/Supporters/Stadiums:

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  1x Bicycle
  1x Computer Search
  2x Hypnotoxic Laser
  1x Professor's Letter
  2x Rare Candy
  2x Switch
  1x Ultra Ball
  2x VS Seeker
  1x AZ
  3x Korrina
  2x Lysandre
  3x N
  4x Professor Sycamore
  1x Xerosic
  3x Fighting Stadium
  2x Muscle Band

Energy:

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  6x Fighting Energy
  4x Strong Energy
  3x lightning energy

Strategy:

Well the plan is to hit early with Landorus EX while setting up Machamp, then use retaliate when I can with Terrakion.
Hawlucha helps with Seismitoad and Manectric for things that have fighting weakness. Hypno is in there because I find I was either hitting 160 or 170 at times and I need it for the KO.

The problem is that I can just can't seem to get this deck going. I don't have a good win ratio with it and I am just not sure. Any help here would be much appreciated

 

[totodile_it_down]

RE: Help with Mess of a Machamp deck

Interesting deck idea. The first thing that jumps out at me is your Manectric line is too thin to be consistent. I'd scrap the EX and it's mega, as well as the Spirit Link and sole Lightning energy, and replace them with a Dedenne. It gives you the typing you want against Yveltal without blowing up your deck's consistency.

I'd cut down to one of each Terrakion and Landorus. Each are excellent cards to have, but unlikely to need more than one. These changes open up 5 cards to play with.

Given Seismitoad EX's prevalence, relying solely on Rare Candy to evolve your Stage 2's is a risky endeavor. I think at least one Machoke should be added, if not two. I'd honestly go all in on Machamp and run a 3-2-3 line, since he appears to be the focus of your deck.

That leaves one final card which can be used to shore up some thin spots: another Ultra Ball, VS Seeker, or Stadium would all be useful.

Hope this is helpful!

 

[TuxedoBlack]

When I first saw the FuF Machamp, I did some quick math and realized certain F Poke could inflict insane amounts of damage for just 1 F energy. My first deck's core Poke consisted of:

2 Hawlucha
2 Landorus
4 Landorus EX
2 Lucario EX
2 Machamp
2 Machoke
4 Machop

Straightforward F deck with the simple strategy that I could inflict more damage faster than my opponent... Since that time, that initial deck has been refined quite a bit.

Following are some thoughts/comments for your consideration:

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  -2 Terrakion. This Poke provides some Weakness diversity, but since your opponent can "influence" your Retaliate attack (e.g., by KOing your Poke between turns via Poison), IMO, these slots can be used more effectively by other Poke.
  -1 Manectric EX.
  -1 M Manectric EX. IMO, to be most effective, a minimum 2-2 line should be run.
  -1 Manectric Spirit Link.
  -1 L. Running just 1 of this energy type is extremely risky. Consider that if it's ever prized, your Manectric EX is close to useless.
  -1 Silver Bangle. Not that effective given you are limited to the Poke you would attach it to; plus, Machamp(s) will provide damage output boosts.
  -2 Muscle Band. Machamps will supply this damage boost and they can't be S. Megaphone'd and/or Xerosic'd away.

Following are some suggested changes, keeping the Manectric EXs:

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  +1 Machamp. Minimum 3-1-3 line should be run, IMO.
  +1 Machop.
  +1 Landorus EX. Preferred starter to apply early pressure while you setup
  +1 Lucario EX. To provide some Weakness diversity and a solid alternate attacker (-1 Hawlucha for this though) and hand refresh
  +2 Manectric EX. Better to have more than 1 to significantly increase your odds of having access to 1. Also, I have not found the M Manectric EXs to be "significantly" better than the Manectric EX. Thoughts?
  
  +1 Pokemon Fan Club. Too help get your Machops out faster.
  
  +3 L

I also think you could drop an F energy for another Bicycle too or a Max Potion (or AZ). The Max Potion/AZ is used to recover the first Landorus EX that will take a lot of damage early game.

I hope you find these comments helpful.

 

[Megatron0]

Cheers guys, so the plan is to have a stronger focus on my Machamp line

Right so I have increased the Machamp line and the Landorus Ex line as well and added a Manectric. I have also dropped startling megaphone as I want tools now for Manectric right?
I have also dropped an N and added an AZ for a quick pickup. What do people think about dropping Computer search and replacing it with scramble switch? It could be good to keep Machamps in play especially if I am attacking with them. Just a thought. I'm not a massive fan of Lucario EX but I could drop a Hawlucha for one?
Cheers

 

[Mora]

Could you please update your original post with the changes you made to your deck list? Thanks!