How much will Metal Gengar (Meta Ghost) be played?

Yeah I know what you mean, Nidoqueen practically renders Metagross useless while they get a nice quick set up and beat the hell out of your claydoll. But I guess thats why we have unown G/bench shield only now that relicanth is out, nothing is safe, plus Gengar can't hurt it that much since its got no Power, although it means they have to play Fighting energy to use it , and that takes up space which could go to more usefull cards.

Thanks very much for the list btw, I won't copy it exactly, I just wanted an overview.
 
at the moment it isn't (in my opinion) a very good choice to play, but when the lv.x comes out it will probably be the meta, unless something better comes or it gets teched against.
 
RFP said:
at the moment it isn't (in my opinion) a very good choice to play, but when the lv.x comes out it will probably be the meta, unless something better comes or it gets teched against.
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Although with the Level X Flygon will eat it for breakfast. And a super quick T2 Gengar will devastate nearly any deck that isn't prepared, imagine playing your whole game with no Claydol because your opponent dropped Miasma and Gengar T2.
 
Terrible deck. Utterly trash, a creation of hype. Crap beyond words. And that's just the start.

1) Crobat G > Metagross. Its much easier to drop 2 crobats and shadow room a claydol than it is to drop beldum candy gross and shadow room.

2) Hurts your side as well. Now your Claydol is OHKO'd by a Luxray. Oops! Additionally, people seem to think Gengar having only 90 HP makes it harder to bypass shadow room. Not only does having less HP not make it harder to KO while bypassing fainting spell, by running metagross you're not running nidoqueen, meaning you won't have motherly warmth to stop crobat/skunktank ko's

3) Can't attack. Nidoqueen is a very good attacker in Gengar. Metagross is not.

I could go on. But I have more important things to do in life.
 
90 HP is kind of a joke.... I see this deck doing okay but I'd say it's overhyped. Nidoqueen will still be played more than Metagross.
 
Lol Ariadosguy, I can't believe you're the first person to mention that #1 in the entire thread. Let's see... Crobat + Poke Turn, bye Claydol and Gengar still has 110 HP. Miasma can be used anyway if you want the 20 HP drop. But that also puts Claydol in Luxray's OHKO range. Plus not only can Nidoqueen attack but I don't have to get it out. As good as it is, if it's between that or a Claydol I'd take the Claydol. But Metal Gengar needs Metagross to OHKO anything. Hit the Uxie for 60 and they Psy Restore under. Hit the Claydol and they'll setup another one or just SSU it. Nidoqueen is a much better option. It won't see play after Cities, and whoever wants to can quote me on that.
 
Ariadosguy said:
Terrible deck. Utterly trash, a creation of hype. crud beyond words. And that's just the start.

1) Crobat G > Metagross. Its much easier to drop 2 crobats and shadow room a claydol than it is to drop beldum candy gross and shadow room. While playing two cards is easier than playing three, you've got to account for Bench space. Thanks for playing those down just to get eaten by Luxray and Blaziken.

2) Hurts your side as well. Now your Claydol is OHKO'd by a Luxray. Oops! Additionally, people seem to think Gengar having only 90 HP makes it harder to bypass shadow room. Not only does having less HP not make it harder to KO while bypassing fainting spell, by running metagross you're not running nidoqueen, meaning you won't have motherly warmth to stop crobat/skunktank ko's Claydol is OHKO'd by Blaziken, Infernape, Luxray (+Crobat/Poke Turn) anway. 20 less HP is not that much big of a deal considering Claydol is easily OHKO'd by a lot of things in the format. And who said you CANNOT run Queen with Metagross. I personally think that's the best way to run Metal Gengar is run a Queen tech in there.

3) Can't attack. Nidoqueen is a very good attacker in Gengar. Metagross is not. Only valid point. So you lose a main attacker. Big deal. That means you can run even less Energy in favor for insane speed

I could go on. But I have more important things to do in life.
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dmaster out.
 
I disagree.

1. have you heard of Poke Turn? Generally Gengar/Queen keeps to a bench of Gengar, Queen, Claydol, Crobat, Uxie. Poke Turn allows you to re-use the crobat. Metagross takes a bench space. So does crobat. They're equal, and as you admit, it's easier to pull double-crobat than a metagross.

2. Huh?? Sure, sometimes Claydol can be KO'd even when it has 80 HP rather than 60. But ALL the opponent needs is to Bright Look and Flash Impact. They don't need to Fire Spin your Claydol (that's basically unheard of lol), they don't need to bother to get a Blaziken out and jet shoot (which would leave BlazeRay very vulnerable to poltergeist), they don't need to double-crobat or Trash Bolt + Crobat your Claydol, ALL they have to do is Bright Look and Flash Impact. As opposed to the afore-mentioned situations, this is VERY easy to do.
But what? Queen tech as well?! Good luck getting two bench-sitting Stage two's out and a constant stream of gengar's in this format (full of bright look, mespirit, power spray).

3. Uhh, this makes no sense. No-one's FORCING you to run extra energy to attack with Nidoqueen. But you probably should be running 10 anyway (6 psychic 4 Call). But idk if you're ever played gengar/queen, nidoqueen plays SUCH a big role in that deck as an attacker. Gengar without a back-up attacker like nidoqueen can always just run out of ways to deal good damage if the opponent unown g's the right pokemon, and keeps trainers out of their hand. Nidoqueen can do a lot of damage even if your opponent can play around gengar itself. Metagross cannot do this.
 
How much will Metal Gengar (Meta Ghost) be played?
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That is of course depending on a couple of variables.
A) amount of people able to build a Gengar deck
T) amount of people teching in Gengar (not-Speedgar players)
P) the share of A who will actually bring it to a tournament
M) percentage of A that think Metagross is a good idea in Gengar
N) percentage of A who think Nidoqueen/Crobat/other tech is a better idea

So basically it's A*T*P*((M-N)/100%) and then some local variables because of external effects (friends influencing your deck, eating your Metagrosses, etc)
 
Ariadosguy said:
I disagree.

2. Huh?? Sure, sometimes Claydol can be KO'd even when it has 80 HP rather than 60. But ALL the opponent needs is to Bright Look and Flash Impact. They don't need to Fire Spin your Claydol (that's basically unheard of lol), they don't need to bother to get a Blaziken out and jet shoot (which would leave BlazeRay very vulnerable to poltergeist), they don't need to double-crobat or Trash Bolt + Crobat your Claydol, ALL they have to do is Bright Look and Flash Impact. As opposed to the afore-mentioned situations, this is VERY easy to do.
But what? Queen tech as well?! Good luck getting two bench-sitting Stage two's out and a constant stream of gengar's in this format (full of bright look, mespirit, power spray).

3. Uhh, this makes no sense. No-one's FORCING you to run extra energy to attack with Nidoqueen. But you probably should be running 10 anyway (6 psychic 4 Call). But idk if you're ever played gengar/queen, nidoqueen plays SUCH a big role in that deck as an attacker. Gengar without a back-up attacker like nidoqueen can always just run out of ways to deal good damage if the opponent unown g's the right pokemon, and keeps trainers out of their hand. Nidoqueen can do a lot of damage even if your opponent can play around gengar itself. Metagross cannot do this.
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Hmm...Killing Claydol>Weakening Claydol letting your opponent Cosmic Power another turn, maybe set up ANOTHER Claydol or draw into a Warp. Yeah, that's a terrible idea.

And I have played Mother Gengar. I find Queen should only be used to attack vs. a Dark or SP/Beedrill Bench high deck. Otherwise the best thing she can do is heal.

dmaster out.
 
... Killing Claydol is better than weakening Claydol and Metagross helps the opponent achieve this. And if you mean your opponent's Claydol, let's see... Crobat+Poke Turn or two Crobats or Beldum+Rare Candy+Metagross. Which seems harder? I'd say the last one.

And about the Queen point, everything has a big bench now, opposing Gengars will stuff their bench with Gengars, Nidoqueens, Claydols and Crobats. Flygon stuffs its bench with evolutions or another Flygon, Claydol, Palkia LV. X, Uxie, etc., SPs fill their bench up with Uxies and techs and Beedrill needs 4 Beedrill out.

And anyway, the healing is amazingly sick. Retreat a damaged Gengar to heal on the bench, Warp Point Claydol to the bench and let it heal, deem Poison, Psychic Restore, etc. a useless way to avoid Fainting Spell, etc.

And lastly, Gengar will probably only be playing two Warp Points. So if you don't have Queen, your opponent Bright Looks 3 times (which shouldn't be hard) then they pretty much win. Queen makes Palkia's and Infernape's and Gallade's spreading useless as well while Metagross makes it more effective. If you want an all-out suicide deck play Blazeray. It's a lot faster and just overall more solid than Gengar, although there are decks that'll actually last into the late-game that are better than Blazeray.
 
d master342 said:
Hmm...Killing Claydol>Weakening Claydol letting your opponent Cosmic Power another turn, maybe set up ANOTHER Claydol or draw into a Warp. Yeah, that's a terrible idea.

And I have played Mother Gengar. I find Queen should only be used to attack vs. a Dark or SP/Beedrill Bench high deck. Otherwise the best thing she can do is heal.

dmaster out.
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???

No, I meant if your Gengar deck has a metagross out, ALL the opponent has to do is bright look and flash impact, as opposed to all the other scenarios i mentioned which your opponent would have to go through to kill your claydol if you didn't have metagross out. This is what I meant. I never meant killing claydol was equal or worse than weakening it.

almost every deck plays with a full bench, dmaster. =/
 
Ariadosguy said:
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No, I meant if your Gengar deck has a metagross out, ALL the opponent has to do is bright look and flash impact, as opposed to all the other scenarios I mentioned which your opponent would have to go through to kill your claydol if you didn't have metagross out. This is what I meant. I never meant killing claydol was equal or worse than weakening it.

almost every deck plays with a full bench, dmaster. =/
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Whatever, that's not really my main argument. Just saying it takes a while to charge up with a low amount of Energy in the deck.

Seemed like you were suggesting bringing up Claydol and just having it sit there. Guess I was wrong.

dmaster out.
 
who's to say you can't run crobat with metagross. I do and it works fine. also gengar doesn't need many energies, so i'm playing aorund with running 8 phychic energies and 3 metal. meta knight decks should run 2 miasma valley's so chances are you'll have a stadium in play which means metagross's attack will do 60 plus 20 to the whole bench, which added to his -20 hp effect, can wipe out multiple pokemon at one time
 
Yeah, I thought about playing it, but then got donked by a Sableye in a SP toolbox, so Byebye to that deck.
 
I can't be asked to read all of this but Metal gengar is bad because:

It is slow
Bright look it and you are sure for the KO
It is slow
It can't attack in Dyer situations
Reducing your HP is bad
It is slow
Nidoqueen is better
It is slow


^ Did I mention it is slow?

Let me give you some scenarios:

Luxape vs Metal gengar

Infernape gets the 100 on gengar, but the guy decides to drop crobat next turn because you have no nidoqueen and nobody plays SSU. You haven't got metagross because he is too liable. If you had nidoqueen you would have forced fainting spell upon him.

Flygon vs Metal gengar

You stop the retreat with memory berry and damage, you can't remove the damage because of no nidoqueen. You are forced to warp point. You lose a card of your deck every turn. You have no retreat whilst he has all the retreat.

As you can see, flygon stops you in your tracks and wins by dealing 10 a turn.

Luxape can KO so much easier because of no drawback for waiting a turn.

I am sure there is more but I can't think of them.
Metagross is a mediocre card at best, he has no place with gengar.
 
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