I want everyone's opinion: Is Mewtwo EX overrated? Is it becoming over used? What can stop Mewtwo besides another Mewtwo?
Hype about Mewtwo EX
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Xatu UL probably can stop a Mewtwo.
Sigh. We won't conclusively know that until after States. From my anecdotal testing, Mewtwo deserves its hype. It effectively defines what cards can be good and what cards cannot be good. The issue is that besides Magnezone and Mewtwo, there are no proper 1-for-1 mewtwo hate cards (wheezing is effectively a 2-for-1 due to the KO before wheezing and it KOing itself). Mewtwo easily 2-for-1s its way to victory and it always comes out on the winning side in these races due to its low costs ingame. To do well, it requires a DCE, possibly an Eviolite, and as many energy as you want to dump on it. It can come out of the gates attacking and it won't stop until the last turn. Even so, Mewtwo makes the game very awkward. The first person to lay Mewtwo almost always loses. The card is still very good, though, because it can fit into just about everything. Over-used implies that the card isn't top-tier material. Mewtwo (along with two or three other cards... Junk Arm, N, and possibly something else) define our metagame. There is now a clear Mewtwo test. If you can't pass the mewtwo test, your deck isn't worth playing. The other two format defining cards are somewhat on the side... N pretty much nulls any ZPST builds (and the likes) while Junk Arm makes certain decks go nuts. Even so, Mewtwo is easily in the running for BCIF. Not overrated in any respect.
Xatu is a horrid counter. It is a stage 1 that rarely OHKO's mewtwo. Moreover, the mewtwo player can catcher up Natu if they care to. On top of that, it requires a P energy, so it is cumbersome to many decks. Nice try
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Xatu is a horrid counter. It is a stage 1 that rarely OHKO's mewtwo. Moreover, the mewtwo player can catcher up Natu if they care to. On top of that, it requires a P energy, so it is cumbersome to many decks. Nice try
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Weezing is probably the 2nd best counter, but even then it isn't the best. You still go 2-2 prize trade (like you would if playing Mewtwo as your counter) so it's just all about which can fit into your deck better, but really Mewtwo is your best counter.
It's an incredibly efficient tech that has uses outside of just a counter and doesn't need much space. If you don't have it in your deck, you will probably lose if your opponent does. With that being said, I think it's stupid that Mewtwo is the way it is right now, because now in just about every game you can almost guarantee that you are going to go through a 2-2 prize trade (or even 4-4 some games) since it is so extremely common if your opponent pushes you into it. It has an impact on the metagame for sure, as it limits what can and can't be played, as Zero said, but I personally wish it wouldn't counter itself like it does as it adds a certain level of blandness to the game imo.
It's an incredibly efficient tech that has uses outside of just a counter and doesn't need much space. If you don't have it in your deck, you will probably lose if your opponent does. With that being said, I think it's stupid that Mewtwo is the way it is right now, because now in just about every game you can almost guarantee that you are going to go through a 2-2 prize trade (or even 4-4 some games) since it is so extremely common if your opponent pushes you into it. It has an impact on the metagame for sure, as it limits what can and can't be played, as Zero said, but I personally wish it wouldn't counter itself like it does as it adds a certain level of blandness to the game imo.
Well, mewtwo pwns almost everything in its path. Magnezone works, though it is obviously not the best. What about Scizor Prime, though? As Mewtwo almost always relies on dce, so if you could hit for enough, who knows?
Does it deserve its hype? Yes. Do I wish it was cheaper? Yes. :<
Unless you can use a sure-fire counter, you're pretty much ruined. He has one flaw though; energy. I haven't tested it, so it's pretty theorymon, but a few Lost Removers would wipe those DCEs right off of their entire board, giving you a pretty big advantage over your opponent in the long run, especially if you have your own Mewtwo.
Unless you can use a sure-fire counter, you're pretty much ruined. He has one flaw though; energy. I haven't tested it, so it's pretty theorymon, but a few Lost Removers would wipe those DCEs right off of their entire board, giving you a pretty big advantage over your opponent in the long run, especially if you have your own Mewtwo.
Emopanda133 said:
What's ironic is that Mewtwo is being hyped for qualities that new players go crazy about: high HP and a grind based attack. Granted Mewtwo does these better than any previous pokemon, but the irony is still there and still funny.
Still, whether I think Mewtwo EX is overrated or not, it is going to define the format and make a lot of previously good decks unplayable, and I hate it for that.
Still, whether I think Mewtwo EX is overrated or not, it is going to define the format and make a lot of previously good decks unplayable, and I hate it for that.
Magnevire said:
I know, it's so stupid how that works. It's also annoying how they started making cool pokemon and legendaries good. Now new players won't trade them to good players easily (like most SPs, Gengars, and lots of other great cards).
In my opinion, as a fan of metal Pokemon, Mewtwo is over rated and is easily stopped. 90% of Mewtwo's played have a DCE or a Prism attached to it, so Scizor can't be touched, and it's just a matter of time before you get a free undamaged two prizes. To be honest, the bet Metwo counter is Cobalion from the Noble Victories set. Mewtwo relies on energy stacking, well, Cobalion dominates energy stackers. And Iron Breaker, FTW, it stops Mewtwo in its tracks, one Energy Press and an Iron Breaker or two, and your opponent has a cool looking purple trophy for you, and Cobalion took maybe, MAYBE, 60 damage, if that. If you can build an effective deck with Cobalion/Scizor Prime/Klinklang and maybe a Bisharp or Aggron, you can beat Mewtwo.
The problem with that is Reshiram EX curb stomps you. It one-shots Scizor Prime with its first attack, and if it flips heads on it first attack it also one-shots Klinklang and Cobalion. Granted Cobalion could cause issues, but not enough to win.
Yeah, but you're talking to a guy who has a metal deck that is 7-2 against Reshiphlosion decks and 6-0 against Reshiboar, so, try again sir.
Plus most EX decks use DCE, in other words, you can't touch Scizor.
Plus most EX decks use DCE, in other words, you can't touch Scizor.
Cobalion from Noble Victories can counter Mewtwo. It has 120 HP, a resistance to Psychic (which just so happens to be Mewtwo's type), AND can abuse Special Metals and Eviolite. If a Mewtwo-EX uses X-Ball on you, it would take 10 energies to KO you! On the other hand, if Mewtwo EX uses his Psydrive attack, it would 2HKO you. The thing is that people view Mewtwo-EX as easily splashable, and therefore they don't play Psychic Energies with it. Another way you can see Cobalion as a counter is when it uses its Iron Breaker attack. That attack does 80 damage to it, which could 3HKO Mewtwo and with a PlusPower, an Iron Breaker attack would 2HKO Mewtwo. Cobalion's Iron Breaker attack prevents Mewtwo from attacking, though, so they're kind of stuck in a corner unless they Catcher your Cobalion out of the active Pokemon position.
Also, I should mention that I think Mewtwo is only a little bit overhyped. There are even more ways to counter it such as Mew Prime + Jumpluff HS, but most of the other ways are suprisingly clunky and/or are not released in English yet (such as the unreleased Darkrai-EX plus the Darkness Claw tool card). Hope I helped you!
Also, I should mention that I think Mewtwo is only a little bit overhyped. There are even more ways to counter it such as Mew Prime + Jumpluff HS, but most of the other ways are suprisingly clunky and/or are not released in English yet (such as the unreleased Darkrai-EX plus the Darkness Claw tool card). Hope I helped you!
Emopanda133 said:Yeah, but you're talking to a guy who has a metal deck that is 7-2 against Reshiphlosion decks and 6-0 against Reshiboar, so, try again sir.
Plus most EX decks use DCE, in other words, you can't touch Scizor.
The just won't attach to it or Catcher around it. I don't think Scizor is a great counter.
My point is that it's not as good as everyone says. Mewtwo is just like a regular deck, it's all about who sets up first. Anything can kill Mewtwo if it's not set up enough. Yes, a DCE can do forty quick damage, and yes it gets stronger every turn, but if you can build in something heavy for not a lot of damage, you can kill a Mewtwo, it's all about setup.
So catcher the Mewtwo. Problem solved.
Glaceon said:
So catcher the Mewtwo. Problem solved.
Emopanda133 said:
But, Mewtwo is extremely fast and 40 seems like nothing, but when you have nothing and they have everything their 40 can blow right through you. I agree with Glaceon, Scizor is a good counter, but it doesn't take Mewtwo out of the game. Decks will also not just play Mewtwo.
iisnumber12 said:
So build a deck that can beat theirs, and Mewtwo.
Mewtwo is like Durant decks, they stall until theyre good, but if you do enough damage to them, it's over.